splattered
Member
You really think MS cares about losing 3 billion dollars at this point?
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You really think MS cares about losing 3 billion dollars at this point?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They are contractually obligated to keep up the confidence and good talk, yes.
Not only lose the $3b, but sued by shareholders for sabotage.
Topher
Identifies as young
They should be confident as far as the FTC is concerned. Accelerating the process just means getting FTC's bullshit out of the way sooner. Most here have been saying for months that this whole deal hinges on CMA. In my mind, that's still the case.
splattered
Member
I doubt they are as worried about that as you want them to be, but I guess we will find out
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
So then why haven't they just closed then, if they are not worried? Why go through all the trouble of hiring lawyers, wanting appeal dates before the 18th, etc., etc.,?I doubt they are as worried about that as you want them to be, but I guess we will find out
Just close if you got this in the bag then.
drganon
Member
You're trying to use logic and reasoning with splattered. That isn't going to work.
MS is simply playing with the times an strategies. Until July 18 the deadlines of the agreement do not end, and the "ignore UK" could do so close to that date as well.
I see clearly the sense. Appealing to the CAT is a contractual obligation. If MS did not, ABK could claim the rupture of the agreement and collect its 3 billion. That is, appealing was an obligation while times passed even if the intention was to close without the approval of the CMA.
FTC was in a comfortable situation, it was not necessary for it to go to court while the agreement was blocked by the CMA. That is, the FTC had a reason to accelerate the deadlines and that was to believe that MS could close the agreement without the approval of the UK. That is, FTC has believed what here, the vast majority of us, thought impossible.
That MS came to have the intention of closing the agreement without counting on the CMA is not incompatible with MS squeezing the times and achieving what has happened .The FTC move.has given MS a better option and also within the deadline
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splattered
Member
I didn't say they "got this in the bag" i said they seem to like their odds... the direction things are headed, and now the pace at which things are moving. I don't think they are internally worried or afraid at the moment. I doubt they are worried about losing 3 billion dollars or being sued by shareholders. I don't think their current confidence is just posturing. I never said they can just do whatever they want, obviously they have to navigate the legal systems which is what we are all currently seeing from the outside looking in. But we only have a small glimpse as to what is actually happening behind the scenes across the board.
splattered
Member
Depends on who you ask. It will have "failed" when Microsoft and Activision come out and officially announce that they have decided to no longer pursue the acquisition.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You said they were "very confident." I am only reminding you that they have been this way through every phase, even when outcomes did not go their way. That is not a sign of anything we can extrapolate an outcome from.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
does this mean the bill is approved or not yet?
New legislation will today (25 April) be introduced to ensure businesses and consumers are protected from rip-offs and can reap the full benefits of the digital economy with confidence.
The CMA will be able to directly enforce consumer law rather than go through lengthy court processes. The reforms will also heighten the consequences for wrongdoers as the CMA and the courts will have the power to impose penalties of up to 10% of global turnover for breaching consumer law
www.gov.uk
New legislation will today (25 April) be introduced to ensure businesses and consumers are protected from rip-offs and can reap the full benefits of the digital economy with confidence.
The CMA will be able to directly enforce consumer law rather than go through lengthy court processes. The reforms will also heighten the consequences for wrongdoers as the CMA and the courts will have the power to impose penalties of up to 10% of global turnover for breaching consumer law
New Bill to crack down on rip-offs, protect consumer cash online and boost competition in digital markets
New powers unveiled aimed at boosting competition, clamping down on subscription traps and fake reviews
Banjo64
cumsessed
does this mean the bill is approved or not yet?
New legislation will today (25 April) be introduced to ensure businesses and consumers are protected from rip-offs and can reap the full benefits of the digital economy with confidence.
The CMA will be able to directly enforce consumer law rather than go through lengthy court processes. The reforms will also heighten the consequences for wrongdoers as the CMA and the courts will have the power to impose penalties of up to 10% of global turnover for breaching consumer law
New Bill to crack down on rip-offs, protect consumer cash online and boost competition in digital markets
New powers unveiled aimed at boosting competition, clamping down on subscription traps and fake reviews
- New measures will come into effect as soon as possible following parliamentary approval, subject to secondary legislation and the publication of guidance.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Maybe posturing, I just don't see who it benefits coming out with crap like that.
Anyway, I still standby that it is probably more crazy for a company to want that to be publicly associated with them, than it is for a random person in a forum to want a faceless corporation to lose a little bit of money
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
splattered
Member
I am not extrapolating an outcome... this could still totally fall through. I'm just saying they do appear confident and positive that things are accelerating. They might see a way forward that we cannot from the outside looking in. That's all.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
More importantly, losing face. They are a high hubris production.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Of course this false narrative is still being spread. That isn't what Sony said. If you need to lie to make your point, you have already lost the argument.
does this mean the bill is approved or not yet?
New legislation will today (25 April) be introduced to ensure businesses and consumers are protected from rip-offs and can reap the full benefits of the digital economy with confidence.
The CMA will be able to directly enforce consumer law rather than go through lengthy court processes. The reforms will also heighten the consequences for wrongdoers as the CMA and the courts will have the power to impose penalties of up to 10% of global turnover for breaching consumer law
New Bill to crack down on rip-offs, protect consumer cash online and boost competition in digital markets
New powers unveiled aimed at boosting competition, clamping down on subscription traps and fake reviews
feynoob
and
PaintTinJr
cause I saw some comments based on my confusion of what the current status re the fines. I did have a look yesterday so basically the cap is already at 10% of global revenue but there is a whole process that they in theory need to go through to figure out the amount.https://assets.publishing.service.g.../attachment_data/file/1060671/CMA73final_.pdf
The starting point depends on the revenue of the undertaking revenue , reading the document linked, i believe Microsoft starting point would be 20-30% of ABK revenue. Which is alot, it's all of ABK's profits.
They can then adjust it.
The record fine I think from the CMA has been 50m,.
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X-Wing
Member
I mean... considering they went out of their way to go offer to renew licenses to companies in Russia because it would cost them 125 million...
splattered
Member
Do what? Sony said that if MS acquired COD then Sony may never recover...
feynoob
Banned
Good luck passing that.
PaintTinJr
Member
Are you familiar with older computing product concepts for centralised computing like Mainframes(Master/Slave)?What the hell are you on about????? Another post from someone without a clue, your like John he's been shitting on streaming for years and now he tries the one people have been saying is good he magically has a change in stance. Don't even need a god damn pc.....
System Requirements for GeForce NOW Cloud Gaming
Optimize your rig for the best gaming experience.www.nvidia.com
If that comment is because you think he needs that in the local device you are confused, That's the hardware in the cloud the game is running on.
The PCs we are talking about are by any stretch "thick clients". Even the Vita, which is about x50 less than those PCs could be considered a "thick client".
When people are going to talk about experience and latency - knowing only too well in today's cloud gaming the experience is proportional to the "thin client's" thickness, like it is even with the PS remoteplay app for 720p to 1080p experience - the all important part of the testing is to inform people of just how "thick" that "thin" cloud gaming client really is, otherwise it just comes off as a Windows VM Nvidia advert IMHO.
drganon
Member
Of course they're " confident ". You expect them to say the truth?
Ms: " yeah, the deal is most likely fucked, we're going to be on the hook for billions and we've been made to look like clowns ( thanks Brad)."
splattered
Member
That is your truth, doesn't mean it's theirs?
feynoob
Banned
COD marketing is the biggest pull for consoles.
Whoever has the marketing rights will be able to sell alot of consoles. You can also get more benefits and put the games on your subscription service.
PaintTinJr
Member
What about divestment? Could the CMA potentially order Microsoft to divest Windows or Azure, instead of ATVI in that premature closing scenario?
https://assets.publishing.service.g.../attachment_data/file/1060671/CMA73final_.pdf
The starting point depends on the revenue of the undertaking revenue , reading the document linked, i believe Microsoft starting point would be 20-30% of ABK revenue. Which is alot, it's all of ABK's profits.
The record fine I think from the CMA has been 50m,.
feynoob
Banned
It's only Activision.What about divestment? Could the CMA potentially order Microsoft to divest Windows or Azure, instead of ATVI in that premature closing scenario?
CMA can't ask MS to divest their business.
splattered
Member
There is zero chance that would put the nail in the Playstation coffin though. And nothing would be stopping Microsoft from buying up the next 10 years of exclusive marketing rights for COD if they really wanted it. Obviously it didn't make THAT much of a difference for MS to fight for the rights last go around so i think that the severe importance of it are blown out of proportion. Are marketing rights important? Of course. Does it mean a brand would "never recover" if they didn't currently hold those rights? Nah.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Their temper tantrums after the CMA block told us all we need to know when it comes to their emotional confidence.
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Zathalus
Member
You can stream just fine on a Nvidia Shield, which is less powerful then some thin clients on the market today. Cheaper as well. The specifications to stream at 4k is not exactly high.
PaintTinJr
Member
But at what measured resolution and latency?
Even using PS4 Remoteplay with my anamorphic 4K OLED Xperia 1 smartphone, on what I would accept as a thin client, too weak to run a degraded version of the game Death Stranding, the local streamed resolution was 720p at most and the rendering of the game graphics was not the same as the PS4 in fidelity and frustum configuration.
So it was completely unplayable due to the tiny screen and claustrophobic far plane setup, and my current aging phone is probably significantly more powerful than the Nvidia Tegra/shield powered Xperia S tablet I abandoned a decade or more ago for being garbage silicon.
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Bernoulli
M2 slut
how long does this takes usually?
PaintTinJr
Member
But is that identical to the thick client experience and is that a generic solution for any client, or an optimised solution where Nvidia are cheating by exploiting "thick" features on that so-called "thin client"?
I have my doubts it is the true "thin client" it is implied to be.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
we will for sure have a new record when a company closes the deal after you blocked them
https://assets.publishing.service.g.../attachment_data/file/1060671/CMA73final_.pdf
The starting point depends on the revenue of the undertaking revenue , reading the document linked, i believe Microsoft starting point would be 20-30% of ABK revenue. Which is alot, it's all of ABK's profits.
They can then adjust it.
The record fine I think from the CMA has been 50m,.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
sell COD studios for 1 billionWhat about divestment? Could the CMA potentially order Microsoft to divest Windows or Azure, instead of ATVI in that premature closing scenario?
guess the buyer
splattered
Member
Facebook/Meta, coming exclusively to Quest 3 headsets everywhere!
Banjo64
cumsessed
I don’t see where the resistance would be to tell you the truth? It’ll nearly be unanimously approved by Labour/SNP/Lib Dems and I predict only a tiny percentage of Tories will vote against (if any).
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
For real, Meta would do this and dilute another brand.
PaintTinJr
Member
Twitter.
They wouldn't even keep it, they'd just want the traffic from 9months of meltdowns and then another 2years of meltdowns when they tried to sell off to Sony.
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Dick Jones
Banned
Hopefully Nintendo just so they can crowbar Mario in, take out guns and anything that is army combat related, and people who are killed becomes ghosts and chase the remaining players to touch them.
The outcry of those who actually play the COD currently would be funny.
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Zathalus
Member
A modern thin client is nothing more then a PC that uses an embedded SoC. To stream GeForce Now all you need is some hardware and a browser. You can stream it fine on a HP t740, at 4k even.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Prove it.
Topher
Identifies as young
There is also the obligation that this deal must obtain regulatory approval in order to proceed. The agreement clearly states this is Microsoft's responsibility. That is not compatible with ignoring the CMA.
splattered
Member
No thanks, i am not so invested that i am going to go back and pour through months of news articles.
Kilau
Member
PS and Xbox remote play are pretty terrible compared to GeForce now, Xbox more since it insists running it as cloud and ignores local streaming.
Shield will do 4K 60fps GeForce now, maybe 120fps I don’t have mine connected to a 2.1 port. While it’s low end specs it’s been designed for streaming so it has hardware to help.
PaintTinJr
Member
What part of that devices is "thin"? The Windows 10 x64 OS? The 4 brawny Ryzen mobile CPU cores running at 3.5Ghz? The 16GBs of DDR4 Ram? The Radeon Vega 8 integrated graphics? Or the SeriesX or PS5 price tag?
It is a "thin client" by HP marketing, but has all the brawny components of a Desktop in SFF case. That's hardly comparative to RPi 400 or a smartphone or the WiiU tablet or incoming Project Q.
There's nothing cloud gaming impressive about GeforceNow if that's the client hardware requirement
feynoob
Banned
Doesn't matter what party it is. A bill like this would have a huge consequence on big companies.
They would do all they can to block it. 10% global fine isnt a joke. That is a massive loss of money.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
MS said that if this acquisition doesn't go through, they're shutting the xbox brand down. I can lie too.
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