DeepEnigma
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Sony is not purchasing the largest and one of the oldest third party publishers in the world after purchasing one of the largest just before it. They're not facing regulators.
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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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pasterpl
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Move even more goal posts. I am asking for proof. Show me please a statement from FTC saying that this deal is blocked = deal is not happening because FTC blocked it. Please show me one article confirming you statement. I am asking for facts.
You seriously can't see the fact that they sued to block the deal is the experts at the gov level saying no?
pasterpl
Member
Disregarding the fact that you even didn't bother to look at the post I was responding to, but I still will respond to you.
As I said before;
- market participants don't have to follow Sony strategy for growth, companies are free to chose how they want to achieve their goals based on their financial capabilities
- Regulators are the ones that give green light or stop the deals
- Sony doesn't have financial capacity to play in the same league as MS
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Which is precisely why regulators step in. Not only for consumers, but fair practices with corporations trying to change industries in their favor though these types of massive takeovers
Congrats!
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pasterpl
Member
No decision was made, deal is not blocked, there was not even injunction from FTC that would halt the deal, being sued is not same as being blocked, you know FTC needs to win the case in front of the judge first to stop the deal. Then there is an appeal to the federal court. So please stop spreading FUD. Keep repeating after me - At this time FTC have not stopped the deal.
Now refer back to my analogy. Have not stopped the deal due to ongoing litigation is a little different to "people judging, green lighting these deals on gov level see no issues with these" wouldn't you say?
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pasterpl
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Yes and regulators have a final say. The deal is being looked at because of its size, its a fact. Deal wasn't blocked by anyone yet. More, it actually was approved by some smaller countries regulatory bodies. But the big 3 (FTC, CMA, EU) want to have a closer look and probably get some concessions from MS. Deal being big doesn't automatically mean that it will get blocked.
demigod
Member
So you think ms will still close this deal by their deadline even while being sued?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Nobody is saying that. At all.
pasterpl
Member
I am asking for a link to a fact, please link me to FTC decision to block the deal, or FTC court announcement blocking this deal. We talking about law here, and you can play it down with analogies. It's binary, deal is blocked or not? I will help you, it is not, so please stop spreading FUD! If the deal effectively becomes blocked after FTC court ruling then it will become the fact, now the deal is not blocked.
pasterpl
Member
Nope. That would be stupid on their part. They will extend the deadline, FTC hearings can be biased (its internal FTC court with their judges), so I wouldn't be surprised if this deal is finalised sometime in 2024 after federal court ruling.
pasterpl
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Uhm, no?
MasterCornholio
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Are you living under a rock or just ignoring what I say? Try looking on their website
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/new...oft-corps-acquisition-activision-blizzard-inc
Warablo
Member
So its the FTC's job to protect Sony and not consumers?
I think what he's hinting at is that this thing still can just go through without a court case. They are still talking to try and avoid court.
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DeepEnigma
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It's the FTCs job to not only protect consumers, but business practices that impacts industries and other businesses, yes. It's literally on their website and their "mission statement."
They were supposed to be the "fettered" in unfettered capitalism. They've just been neutered over the decades by lobbyists/politicians on the take.
P.S. It's not just Sony speaking up against this deal.
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I said a few posts back if he had said ultimately he thinks it will close at the supreme court or wherever that's different, but his post said regulators do not have issues with it. As if the anticompetitive harm the poster mentioned is just his opinion.
"That's your opinion, actual regulators have not blocked this deal yet. Zenimax deal passed without any issues as well. So the experts, and effectively people judging, green lighting these deals on gov level see no issues with these (none of the big one said no yet) for the ABK deal"
When responding to somebody discussing its possible anti competitive nature.
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Warablo
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Ubisoft is floundering; now with strikes, EA is on their backfoot only being held together by Fifa MTX, Activision is battling multiple court cases and became a CoD factory. Take-Two, Rockstar hasn't released a game since 2018.It's the FTCs job to not only protect consumers, but business practices that impacts industries and other businesses, yes. It's literally on their website and their "mission statement."
They were supposed to be the "fettered" in unfettered capitalism. They've just been neutered over the decades by lobbyists/politicians on the take.
P.S. It's not just Sony speaking up against this deal.
This "big 4" is starting to crumble or at least becoming a one trick pony. Somethings gotta give.
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pasterpl
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Seeks to block is not same as blocked. Please stop spreading FUD. I have asked for proof where ftc BLOCKED the deal, not that they are seeking to do it. You cannot stop lying and stretching narrative to fit your world view.
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DeepEnigma
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NonPhixion
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Did I just read some dumb fuck say Rockstar hasn't released a game since 2013?
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NickFire
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I think if we put substance over form, it's essentially blocked until regulatory hurdles get cleared up. Pure conjecture, but I doubt they would close with any risk of being unwound over their head. Paying over stock price is one thing. Paying over and then having to unwind is how CEO's get fired.
Warablo
Member
Sooner or later they are gonna wanna sell. Is the government not going to allow them to be bought?
And?
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pasterpl
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No it is not the same. Not how law understands it. Ms nor ABK have not announced that the deal is not happening because it is blocked (because it is not), what they have said is that they will fight in court and if needed will appeal to federal court.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Not all by one mega company, no. Hence regulators roles with either blocking, heavy concessions, or even breaking them apart and splitting them out.
gothmog
Gold Member
And it's so easy to break it apart when they still have Activision, Blizzard, and King all running pretty much independently.
NickFire
Member
Obviously I am not talking about it being literally the same thing under the law. Hence the selection of the phrase "if we put substance over form, it's essentially . . . "
Anyway, I was interested in a more thoughtful conversation where we speculate reasons they would and would not close if the FTC situation is still ongoing without regurgitating talking points. Thank you for making clear that is not a viable pathway by pointing out the claim they will fight and appeal, as if that means anything at all.
The only one spreading FUD is you mate. Asking me for facts while spreading bullshit like this
"So the experts, and effectively people judging, green lighting these deals on gov level see no issues"
Absolutely no facts whatsoever.
NonPhixion
Member
And Red Dead Redemption 2 was certainly 2013's game of the year! /s Hahahahahahah
Warablo
Member
Gotta be honest, totally slipped my mind. I even loved the game.
I have been playing GTA lately.
NonPhixion
Member
I don't blame you. It's a very forgettable game. One of the most boring, drawn out games I have ever played. I forced myself to finish it so I could delete it off the ssd forever.
DarkMage619
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It's only dumb to have a problem with the accurate statement that no regulator has blocked the deal. That is what you bolded. That is a fact. Whether you like that fact or not is irrelevant.
He apparently has problems with facts.
pasterpl
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pasterpl
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But it is not.
In scenario that approvals come from CMA and Eu Ms might start process of completing the deal while waiting for FTC ruling. It is risky as if the scenario where deals get blocked by F`tC they might lose ability to do new entity business in the USA. probably there are more repercussions in that scenario.
demigod
Member
But you just admitted that the deal is being blocked. If it's not being blocked, ms would not make concessions.
bitbydeath
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You're gonna give the poor guy a heart attack.
DeepEnigma
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I'm LTTP but balls deep into Elden Ring right now. Going to finish up some things at my office then head home and dive back into the oppressively beautiful world.
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twilo99
Member
You must have a very rose opinion of corporations in general.
demigod
Member
I was wondering why he didn't respond to me, banned again for crying about the forum.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
That's not really "fair" to equate cashflow wages/hiring to deals like this, it's not really how they're funded. It's more tax reduction/avoidance with business growth/acquisition benefits. Why hand over all that cash when you can write down the majority of it AND own something(s) new too? Governments like these arrangements for economic growth, one of the areas of win-win between government and commercial. Wouldn't you rather the cash be in the gaming industry than a tax slush fund for the govt?
Cheezewizz
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MS certainly may make some of ABK's exclusive, but the main concern seems to be in reference to CoD and other multiplayer focused games. Common sense suggests that those games will continue to be multiplat. As for those that aren't, Sony isn't entitled to them.
Not the same, but definitely comparable. You can paint Sony as the hero on that situation all you want. It doesn't change the fact that Sony paid to keep SFV exclusive to it's console. By the same metric, Activision has agreed to be sold to MS. Nobody is forcing them the same way no one was forcing Capcom, or any other 3rd party exclusive. These attempts to try and wave away these previous examples doesn't work no matter how many times you repeat it.
Of course not, and that's why absolutely nobody is asking Sony to pay for this acquisition. It's not Sony's fault, nor it's fans fault, but neither of them is entitled to absolutely any of ABK's games either. So I'm not sure why you or anyone feels so entitled to them. Just as MS isn't entitled to any of Insomniac's games. Does it suck? Sure, but it is what it is. Only a rather small segment of PS fans can't seem to wrap their heads around this. Even the regulators don't pretend to be so naive as to suggest there are ulterior motives involved.
No, it's not false at all. Sony has bought all of it's studios for the last decade plus. Every single one you listed was a 3rd party studio that Sony bought. You can try and pretend studios like Insomniac didn't work with others such as Xbox, but it doesn't change reality. It's hilarious watching some of you talk about how Sony doesn't even use the term "2nd party", yet here you are trying to pretend that all these studios were 2nd party. Again, you're trying to split hairs in the hopes of bullshitting your narrative to fit the argument. Just STOP already. Your argument doesn't work.
GHG
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When someone takes it upon themselves to post 3 times in a row it's best to let them have their meltdown in peace.
gothmog
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I'm almost done with Sekiro after finally finishing ER a few weeks ago. Both games are absolute masterpieces.
I'm LTTP but balls deep into Elden Ring right now. Going to finish up some things at my office then head home and dive back into the oppressively beautiful world.
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