Careful, might trigger someone again.
DarkMage619
is known to toss red herrings every once in a while. I guess I fell for it.
I was talking about proof of a ps5 announcement.So you now agree it was an existing game....
What you asked for proof of in the first place?
tell that to these people:
regulators are doing their job.
Yet that is not the post you replied to, or what you said. Go figure.
Cheesewhiz signed a 10 year contract with GAF's ban page
holy random font sizes batman
Imagine being in the business as a platform holder for 20+ years just to have hopes of prospects. Those prospects should have been bearing fruit by now, much sooner than now in fact.
And at one point they did. But they neutered Halo, killed Crackdown, and stagnated Gears and Forza. Among other things.
Lack of 1P isn't the only reason because Microsoft showed in the Xbox and 360 generations they could work with 3P developers to co-develop exclusive content for Xbox platforms. But they stopped doing this and started going after more straight-up moneyhats as the 360 generation got underway.
That was a change of Microsoft's prerogative. They should have invested in their 1P teams during the 360 gen if they were going to lean more into big moneyhats of 3P content bound for other consoles after a couple years or so. Microsoft neglected that.
Having said that, their mistakes during that era and onward shouldn't be used as meaningful justification for them to buy massive 3P publishers like ABK. Microsoft choosing to skip steps in the chain on a path to recovery doesn't in itself justify them jumping to a last resort-tier option, not absolutely.
Yes it can make their acquisition strategy understandable but another problem in this thinking is Microsoft's own discourse has 100% neglected to bring up any of these choice errors as factors that have put them in the position they're in. They are absolving themselves of accountability for where they're at, and have instead been trying to blame Sony for all of their market woes.
Because in a lot of ways they were a pillar & behemoth in gaming already with the 360. So they've already "been" at those levels. Microsoft's methodology in the back half of the 360 generation is what led them to decreasing relevance.
Yeah we should be getting those release dates for Hellblade II and Everwild any day no--
oh wait
Microsoft never once said anywhere they would NOT make ZeniMax games exclusive. People keep saying it. No one has yet been able to present a single piece of evidence to back it up.
Microsoft said they did not have the incentive to cease or limit making "ZeniMax games" (They never specify which Zenimax games; they just say ZeniMax games. Full stop) "available for purchase on rival consoles." (Can you still purchase Doom Eternal on playstation? Deathloop? ghostwire tokyo? Fallout 4? Skyrim Anniversary? ESO? Fallout 76? All dishonored games? The rage games? The wolfenstein games? Prey? Yes to everything!)
Those are Zenimax games that were not limited in their ability to keep being purchased for rival consoles and that weren't completely prohibited from still being purchased on Playstation, a rival console. Microsoft could have blocked future sales of those games on Playstation, meaning if you didn't already buy it on playstation, your only avenue is to buy it for an Xbox console, buy it for PC or subscribe to Game Pass on either Xbox or PC. Microsoft could have done this any time it desired to because regulators deemed it a safe transaction with zero concessions.
The reason people can't accept that those Zenimax games "still count" and aren't suddenly useless because they aren't brand new releases is due to an inherent entitlement from a lot of playstation fans that stems from their immaturity and lack of understanding of how the games business works. Yes, new releases tends to be the moment when sales for a game are at their highest, but it doesn't mean those games stop being bought forever. Not every gamer plays specific games based on a marketing budget or release window. There will be many who don't touch Starfield for years a year or more after it releases. Same for Spider-Man 2, same for even Star Wars Jedi: Survivor. People don't always buy games brand new. There are many who haven't played all of Bethesda's past releases.
At no point did Microsoft say, "no Zenimax games or future Zenimax games will become exclusive to Xbox consoles" No version of such words was used. And here's what brings all this dishonesty full circle. I have YET to see a single person who keeps pushing this claim address the fact that the EU's final report actually cited direct references to where Microsoft clearly left it open that Xbox exclusives would be a possibility based on a multitude of factors.
The EU knew Microsoft's position on January 29th, 2021. But they knew Microsoft's position by November 6th, 2020, as is obvious from footnote 127, which references future Zenimax games.
Player demand for Starfield and Redfall obviously must not be high enough to warrant releasing them on Playstation 5 since countless playstation fans, many in this very thread, keep telling us that they literally don't care about the games and don't think they look good. And, make no mistake, people tell us this just about every chance they get in every single thread about either game. It has even been said in the last two pages of this same thread. You aren't interested.. so why are people up in arms for games they're not interested in?
If the demand for the games ain't there from the people who keep saying they don't look good, then Microsoft's statements to the EU back on January 29th, 2021, and as far back as 2020, become even more true. And be sure not to overlook the part where Microsoft is stressing that all acquired games and future releases will be made available to subscribers of Game Pass on the day the games are launched. Seems to line up with their strategy. Microsoft is releasing a next-gen update to Fallout 4, which will be available on both Xbox current gen consoles as well as Playstation 5. Playstation 5 support continues. There's even a new update planned for Ghostwire: Tokyo, and new content continues to release for Elder Scrolls Online and Fallout 76. No one but Microsoft gets to dictate what form Microsoft's support of Playstation takes. Just like nobody but Square Enix gets to dictate what form its support of Xbox takes.
And don't forget the "willingness of third-party gaming hardware providers to run Microsoft games and services. So as Phil said "on platforms where Game Pass exists."
Tell me you're triggered without telling me you're triggered.Microsoft never once said anywhere they would NOT make ZeniMax games exclusive. People keep saying it. No one has yet been able to present a single piece of evidence to back it up.
Microsoft said they did not have the incentive to cease or limit making "ZeniMax games" (They never specify which Zenimax games; they just say ZeniMax games. Full stop) "available for purchase on rival consoles." (Can you still purchase Doom Eternal on playstation? Deathloop? ghostwire tokyo? Fallout 4? Skyrim Anniversary? ESO? Fallout 76? All dishonored games? The rage games? The wolfenstein games? Prey? Yes to everything!)
Those are Zenimax games that were not limited in their ability to keep being purchased for rival consoles and that weren't completely prohibited from still being purchased on Playstation, a rival console. Microsoft could have blocked future sales of those games on Playstation, meaning if you didn't already buy it on playstation, your only avenue is to buy it for an Xbox console, buy it for PC or subscribe to Game Pass on either Xbox or PC. Microsoft could have done this any time it desired to because regulators deemed it a safe transaction with zero concessions.
The reason people can't accept that those Zenimax games "still count" and aren't suddenly useless because they aren't brand new releases is due to an inherent entitlement from a lot of playstation fans that stems from their immaturity and lack of understanding of how the games business works. Yes, new releases tends to be the moment when sales for a game are at their highest, but it doesn't mean those games stop being bought forever. Not every gamer plays specific games based on a marketing budget or release window. There will be many who don't touch Starfield for years a year or more after it releases. Same for Spider-Man 2, same for even Star Wars Jedi: Survivor. People don't always buy games brand new. There are many who haven't played all of Bethesda's past releases.
At no point did Microsoft say, "no Zenimax games or future Zenimax games will become exclusive to Xbox consoles" No version of such words was used. And here's what brings all this dishonesty full circle. I have YET to see a single person who keeps pushing this claim address the fact that the EU's final report actually cited direct references to where Microsoft clearly left it open that Xbox exclusives would be a possibility based on a multitude of factors.
The EU knew Microsoft's position on January 29th, 2021. But they knew Microsoft's position by November 6th, 2020, as is obvious from footnote 127, which references future Zenimax games.
Player demand for Starfield and Redfall obviously must not be high enough to warrant releasing them on Playstation 5 since countless playstation fans, many in this very thread, keep telling us that they literally don't care about the games and don't think they look good. And, make no mistake, people tell us this just about every chance they get in every single thread about either game. It has even been said in the last two pages of this same thread. You aren't interested.. so why are people up in arms for games they're not interested in?
If the demand for the games ain't there from the people who keep saying they don't look good, then Microsoft's statements to the EU back on January 29th, 2021, and as far back as 2020, become even more true. And be sure not to overlook the part where Microsoft is stressing that all acquired games and future releases will be made available to subscribers of Game Pass on the day the games are launched. Seems to line up with their strategy. Microsoft is releasing a next-gen update to Fallout 4, which will be available on both Xbox current gen consoles as well as Playstation 5. Playstation 5 support continues. There's even a new update planned for Ghostwire: Tokyo, and new content continues to release for Elder Scrolls Online and Fallout 76. No one but Microsoft gets to dictate what form Microsoft's support of Playstation takes. Just like nobody but Square Enix gets to dictate what form its support of Xbox takes.
And don't forget the "willingness of third-party gaming hardware providers to run Microsoft games and services. So as Phil said "on platforms where Game Pass exists."
Nokia 3210 is the only thing that will be able to withstand his furious typing.
SenjutsuSadgeMicrosoft never once said anywhere they would NOT make ZeniMax games exclusive. People keep saying it. No one has yet been able to present a single piece of evidence to back it up.
Microsoft said they did not have the incentive to cease or limit making "ZeniMax games" (They never specify which Zenimax games; they just say ZeniMax games. Full stop) "available for purchase on rival consoles." (Can you still purchase Doom Eternal on playstation? Deathloop? ghostwire tokyo? Fallout 4? Skyrim Anniversary? ESO? Fallout 76? All dishonored games? The rage games? The wolfenstein games? Prey? Yes to everything!)
Those are Zenimax games that were not limited in their ability to keep being purchased for rival consoles and that weren't completely prohibited from still being purchased on Playstation, a rival console. Microsoft could have blocked future sales of those games on Playstation, meaning if you didn't already buy it on playstation, your only avenue is to buy it for an Xbox console, buy it for PC or subscribe to Game Pass on either Xbox or PC. Microsoft could have done this any time it desired to because regulators deemed it a safe transaction with zero concessions.
The reason people can't accept that those Zenimax games "still count" and aren't suddenly useless because they aren't brand new releases is due to an inherent entitlement from a lot of playstation fans that stems from their immaturity and lack of understanding of how the games business works. Yes, new releases tends to be the moment when sales for a game are at their highest, but it doesn't mean those games stop being bought forever. Not every gamer plays specific games based on a marketing budget or release window. There will be many who don't touch Starfield for years a year or more after it releases. Same for Spider-Man 2, same for even Star Wars Jedi: Survivor. People don't always buy games brand new. There are many who haven't played all of Bethesda's past releases.
At no point did Microsoft say, "no Zenimax games or future Zenimax games will become exclusive to Xbox consoles" No version of such words was used. And here's what brings all this dishonesty full circle. I have YET to see a single person who keeps pushing this claim address the fact that the EU's final report actually cited direct references to where Microsoft clearly left it open that Xbox exclusives would be a possibility based on a multitude of factors.
The EU knew Microsoft's position on January 29th, 2021. But they knew Microsoft's position by November 6th, 2020, as is obvious from footnote 127, which references future Zenimax games.
Player demand for Starfield and Redfall obviously must not be high enough to warrant releasing them on Playstation 5 since countless playstation fans, many in this very thread, keep telling us that they literally don't care about the games and don't think they look good. And, make no mistake, people tell us this just about every chance they get in every single thread about either game. It has even been said in the last two pages of this same thread. You aren't interested.. so why are people up in arms for games they're not interested in?
If the demand for the games ain't there from the people who keep saying they don't look good, then Microsoft's statements to the EU back on January 29th, 2021, and as far back as 2020, become even more true. And be sure not to overlook the part where Microsoft is stressing that all acquired games and future releases will be made available to subscribers of Game Pass on the day the games are launched. Seems to line up with their strategy. Microsoft is releasing a next-gen update to Fallout 4, which will be available on both Xbox current gen consoles as well as Playstation 5. Playstation 5 support continues. There's even a new update planned for Ghostwire: Tokyo, and new content continues to release for Elder Scrolls Online and Fallout 76. No one but Microsoft gets to dictate what form Microsoft's support of Playstation takes. Just like nobody but Square Enix gets to dictate what form its support of Xbox takes.
And don't forget the "willingness of third-party gaming hardware providers to run Microsoft games and services. So as Phil said "on platforms where Game Pass exists."
He's not triggered. He's method acting!
SenjutsuSage
alone. He's just doing his job. Everybody needs to get paid somehow.
Video games and television are entertainment. This isn't some sort of utility that people rely on. If a regulatory agency is worried about monopolies surely they'd be looking for the same things especially when talking about exclusive content. It's weird to not expect similar treatment for similar media.
I questioned the 'likely anticompetitive nature' some regulators are coming up with an industry with plenty of exclusives on every platform. The Bethesda expectations are silly because no one can point out any claim by MS that all their Bethesda games were going to be multi-platform. The incentive / case by case point has been discussed numerous times before. MS has done both exclusives and multi-platform titles just like they said they would.
Microsoft never once said anywhere they would NOT make ZeniMax games exclusive. People keep saying it. No one has yet been able to present a single piece of evidence to back it up.
Microsoft said they did not have the incentive to cease or limit making "ZeniMax games" (They never specify which Zenimax games; they just say ZeniMax games. Full stop) "available for purchase on rival consoles." (Can you still purchase Doom Eternal on playstation? Deathloop? ghostwire tokyo? Fallout 4? Skyrim Anniversary? ESO? Fallout 76? All dishonored games? The rage games? The wolfenstein games? Prey? Yes to everything!)
Those are Zenimax games that were not limited in their ability to keep being purchased for rival consoles and that weren't completely prohibited from still being purchased on Playstation, a rival console. Microsoft could have blocked future sales of those games on Playstation, meaning if you didn't already buy it on playstation, your only avenue is to buy it for an Xbox console, buy it for PC or subscribe to Game Pass on either Xbox or PC. Microsoft could have done this any time it desired to because regulators deemed it a safe transaction with zero concessions.
The reason people can't accept that those Zenimax games "still count" and aren't suddenly useless because they aren't brand new releases is due to an inherent entitlement from a lot of playstation fans that stems from their immaturity and lack of understanding of how the games business works. Yes, new releases tends to be the moment when sales for a game are at their highest, but it doesn't mean those games stop being bought forever. Not every gamer plays specific games based on a marketing budget or release window. There will be many who don't touch Starfield for years a year or more after it releases. Same for Spider-Man 2, same for even Star Wars Jedi: Survivor. People don't always buy games brand new. There are many who haven't played all of Bethesda's past releases.
At no point did Microsoft say, "no Zenimax games or future Zenimax games will become exclusive to Xbox consoles" No version of such words was used. And here's what brings all this dishonesty full circle. I have YET to see a single person who keeps pushing this claim address the fact that the EU's final report actually cited direct references to where Microsoft clearly left it open that Xbox exclusives would be a possibility based on a multitude of factors.
The EU knew Microsoft's position on January 29th, 2021. But they knew Microsoft's position by November 6th, 2020, as is obvious from footnote 127, which references future Zenimax games.
Player demand for Starfield and Redfall obviously must not be high enough to warrant releasing them on Playstation 5 since countless playstation fans, many in this very thread, keep telling us that they literally don't care about the games and don't think they look good. And, make no mistake, people tell us this just about every chance they get in every single thread about either game. It has even been said in the last two pages of this same thread. You aren't interested.. so why are people up in arms for games they're not interested in?
If the demand for the games ain't there from the people who keep saying they don't look good, then Microsoft's statements to the EU back on January 29th, 2021, and as far back as 2020, become even more true. And be sure not to overlook the part where Microsoft is stressing that all acquired games and future releases will be made available to subscribers of Game Pass on the day the games are launched. Seems to line up with their strategy. Microsoft is releasing a next-gen update to Fallout 4, which will be available on both Xbox current gen consoles as well as Playstation 5. Playstation 5 support continues. There's even a new update planned for Ghostwire: Tokyo, and new content continues to release for Elder Scrolls Online and Fallout 76. No one but Microsoft gets to dictate what form Microsoft's support of Playstation takes. Just like nobody but Square Enix gets to dictate what form its support of Xbox takes.
And don't forget the "willingness of third-party gaming hardware providers to run Microsoft games and services. So as Phil said "on platforms where Game Pass exists."
I doubt anyone is paying the ransom here.Is this one of those messages with the hidden help request to avoid getting caught by the kidnappers?
He forgot to switch over to his other alt account Gobjuduck.
Their 1st Party teams were focused on Kinect.
Is this what teeneagers call Schizoposting?Microsoft never once said anywhere they would NOT make ZeniMax games exclusive. People keep saying it. No one has yet been able to present a single piece of evidence to back it up.
Microsoft said they did not have the incentive to cease or limit making "ZeniMax games" (They never specify which Zenimax games; they just say ZeniMax games. Full stop) "available for purchase on rival consoles." (Can you still purchase Doom Eternal on playstation? Deathloop? ghostwire tokyo? Fallout 4? Skyrim Anniversary? ESO? Fallout 76? All dishonored games? The rage games? The wolfenstein games? Prey? Yes to everything!)
Those are Zenimax games that were not limited in their ability to keep being purchased for rival consoles and that weren't completely prohibited from still being purchased on Playstation, a rival console. Microsoft could have blocked future sales of those games on Playstation, meaning if you didn't already buy it on playstation, your only avenue is to buy it for an Xbox console, buy it for PC or subscribe to Game Pass on either Xbox or PC. Microsoft could have done this any time it desired to because regulators deemed it a safe transaction with zero concessions.
The reason people can't accept that those Zenimax games "still count" and aren't suddenly useless because they aren't brand new releases is due to an inherent entitlement from a lot of playstation fans that stems from their immaturity and lack of understanding of how the games business works. Yes, new releases tends to be the moment when sales for a game are at their highest, but it doesn't mean those games stop being bought forever. Not every gamer plays specific games based on a marketing budget or release window. There will be many who don't touch Starfield for years a year or more after it releases. Same for Spider-Man 2, same for even Star Wars Jedi: Survivor. People don't always buy games brand new. There are many who haven't played all of Bethesda's past releases.
At no point did Microsoft say, "no Zenimax games or future Zenimax games will become exclusive to Xbox consoles" No version of such words was used. And here's what brings all this dishonesty full circle. I have YET to see a single person who keeps pushing this claim address the fact that the EU's final report actually cited direct references to where Microsoft clearly left it open that Xbox exclusives would be a possibility based on a multitude of factors.
The EU knew Microsoft's position on January 29th, 2021. But they knew Microsoft's position by November 6th, 2020, as is obvious from footnote 127, which references future Zenimax games.
Player demand for Starfield and Redfall obviously must not be high enough to warrant releasing them on Playstation 5 since countless playstation fans, many in this very thread, keep telling us that they literally don't care about the games and don't think they look good. And, make no mistake, people tell us this just about every chance they get in every single thread about either game. It has even been said in the last two pages of this same thread. You aren't interested.. so why are people up in arms for games they're not interested in?
If the demand for the games ain't there from the people who keep saying they don't look good, then Microsoft's statements to the EU back on January 29th, 2021, and as far back as 2020, become even more true. And be sure not to overlook the part where Microsoft is stressing that all acquired games and future releases will be made available to subscribers of Game Pass on the day the games are launched. Seems to line up with their strategy. Microsoft is releasing a next-gen update to Fallout 4, which will be available on both Xbox current gen consoles as well as Playstation 5. Playstation 5 support continues. There's even a new update planned for Ghostwire: Tokyo, and new content continues to release for Elder Scrolls Online and Fallout 76. No one but Microsoft gets to dictate what form Microsoft's support of Playstation takes. Just like nobody but Square Enix gets to dictate what form its support of Xbox takes.
And don't forget the "willingness of third-party gaming hardware providers to run Microsoft games and services. So as Phil said "on platforms where Game Pass exists."
Sounds like wishful thinking. Good luck with that strategy.
Microsoft never once said anywhere they would NOT make ZeniMax games exclusive. People keep saying it. No one has yet been able to present a single piece of evidence to back it up.
Microsoft said they did not have the incentive to cease or limit making "ZeniMax games" (They never specify which Zenimax games; they just say ZeniMax games. Full stop) "available for purchase on rival consoles." (Can you still purchase Doom Eternal on playstation? Deathloop? ghostwire tokyo? Fallout 4? Skyrim Anniversary? ESO? Fallout 76? All dishonored games? The rage games? The wolfenstein games? Prey? Yes to everything!)
Those are Zenimax games that were not limited in their ability to keep being purchased for rival consoles and that weren't completely prohibited from still being purchased on Playstation, a rival console. Microsoft could have blocked future sales of those games on Playstation, meaning if you didn't already buy it on playstation, your only avenue is to buy it for an Xbox console, buy it for PC or subscribe to Game Pass on either Xbox or PC. Microsoft could have done this any time it desired to because regulators deemed it a safe transaction with zero concessions.
The reason people can't accept that those Zenimax games "still count" and aren't suddenly useless because they aren't brand new releases is due to an inherent entitlement from a lot of playstation fans that stems from their immaturity and lack of understanding of how the games business works. Yes, new releases tends to be the moment when sales for a game are at their highest, but it doesn't mean those games stop being bought forever. Not every gamer plays specific games based on a marketing budget or release window. There will be many who don't touch Starfield for years a year or more after it releases. Same for Spider-Man 2, same for even Star Wars Jedi: Survivor. People don't always buy games brand new. There are many who haven't played all of Bethesda's past releases.
At no point did Microsoft say, "no Zenimax games or future Zenimax games will become exclusive to Xbox consoles" No version of such words was used. And here's what brings all this dishonesty full circle. I have YET to see a single person who keeps pushing this claim address the fact that the EU's final report actually cited direct references to where Microsoft clearly left it open that Xbox exclusives would be a possibility based on a multitude of factors.
The EU knew Microsoft's position on January 29th, 2021. But they knew Microsoft's position by November 6th, 2020, as is obvious from footnote 127, which references future Zenimax games.
Player demand for Starfield and Redfall obviously must not be high enough to warrant releasing them on Playstation 5 since countless playstation fans, many in this very thread, keep telling us that they literally don't care about the games and don't think they look good. And, make no mistake, people tell us this just about every chance they get in every single thread about either game. It has even been said in the last two pages of this same thread. You aren't interested.. so why are people up in arms for games they're not interested in?
If the demand for the games ain't there from the people who keep saying they don't look good, then Microsoft's statements to the EU back on January 29th, 2021, and as far back as 2020, become even more true. And be sure not to overlook the part where Microsoft is stressing that all acquired games and future releases will be made available to subscribers of Game Pass on the day the games are launched. Seems to line up with their strategy. Microsoft is releasing a next-gen update to Fallout 4, which will be available on both Xbox current gen consoles as well as Playstation 5. Playstation 5 support continues. There's even a new update planned for Ghostwire: Tokyo, and new content continues to release for Elder Scrolls Online and Fallout 76. No one but Microsoft gets to dictate what form Microsoft's support of Playstation takes. Just like nobody but Square Enix gets to dictate what form its support of Xbox takes.
And don't forget the "willingness of third-party gaming hardware providers to run Microsoft games and services. So as Phil said "on platforms where Game Pass exists."
That appears to be what the EC was more concerned about. Perhaps they noticed MS is losing console sales handily.
