DeepEnigma
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So when this deal passes what should we fight over next
This is shamefully entertaining w/almost 1k pages of good times
Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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ToadMan
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Indeed. But they are blocking the ABK acquisition…. I wonder what changed…
It's almost like MS is able to run Mojang differently isn't it?
Xbox says Nintendo and Sony no longer main rivals
Xbox says Nintendo and Sony no longer main rivals
Xbox chief Phil Spencer says he now considers Amazon and Google to be bigger competition.www.bbc.com
2012 lol
Microsoft Says Nintendo Isn’t Competing Against Other Consoles
Microsoft’s marketing director of France, Cedrick Delmas has told reporters that Nintendo isn’t looking to compete against other console manufactures, and other console manufactures aren’t looking to…mynintendonews.com
"My competitive set is much bigger than my direct competitors in Sony and Microsoft."Here is a Nintendo one for good measure:
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And?
He was talking about where this shit originated, do keep up. Did not originate from us lowly forum dwellers.
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And you clearly just spammed a bunch of links without looking at them.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Nah, bruh. It's the messaging they all were projecting.
We had the topics already on Neogaf. Move them goalposts tho.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
Xbox says Nintendo and Sony no longer main rivals
Xbox chief Phil Spencer says he now considers Amazon and Google to be bigger competition.Microsoft Says Nintendo Isn’t Competing Against Other Consoles
Microsoft’s marketing director of France, Cedrick Delmas has told reporters that Nintendo isn’t looking to compete against other console manufactures, and other console manufactures aren’t looking to…
Here is a Nintendo one for good measure:
Now STFU with your intellectually dishonest narratives.
that's more than 3 years old that article
phil_t98
#SonyToo
I find it weird thatDarkMage619 has been in this forum since 2004.
why? its a gaming forum and they obviously like talking on here
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Wow, people can't read, can they?
Fucking read what I was responding to.
This shit was projected into the ether long before this deal was announced. It wasn't some revelation we came up with on here.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
yeah and the article remains 3 years old. a lot can change in 3 years. no need to start swearing at people mate
What message was Reggie projecting with "my direct competitors in Sony and Microsoft"?
DeepEnigma
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Dolomite
Member
Momma dolomite is a saint!!! You hear me you swine
DarkMage619
$MSFT
And you have more posts than I do in way less time. What is your point?I find it weird that
phil_t98
#SonyToo
yeah great , you read something 3 years ago and now its. set in stone for you
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That's not what I said, you are projecting words in my mouth. Keep going tho.
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NickFire
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I'd say there's a 1 in 5 chance the next debate will be over either a false or misleading claim by an executive. 3 in 5 chance it will be over some blatantly obvious pr being shilled as fact on twitter. 1 in 5 chance it will be a comparison vid.So when this deal passes what should we fight over next
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Yes but none of them did so by lowering competition and cutting off competitors from a major supply. That's the difference.
That's true that there may be cases where you might do so but suggesting you need a console to play xbox or Playstation games via the cloud is missing the point. He was saying this:
Then asked what his point is:
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MasterCornholio
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NickFire
Member
It looks that way. But I'm not sure what specifically is being debated about it.holy shit.....we back on this Nintendo nonsensical narrative again?
Can't we all just agree that all 3 are competitors. And 1 of 3 targets people who care less about online and graphics. And 1 of 3 flip flops between claims that they are too good to compete with smaller fishes, and not able to compete at all?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Holy crap your post is full with so many lies and BS. Sega couldn't afford Psygnosis? Sega invested $1 billion into Gameworks; Psygnosis sold for less than 1/20th of that. Sega could've bought them if they wanted. Or maybe Sega could've taken that 32X money and been smarter with it, put it towards Psygnosis. At least learn about what you're talking about before trying to sound cool bringing it up but it really makes you look dumb.
Sony bought Psygnosis because they needed a successful game publishing label & its expertise. Sony Imagesoft was a failure, and you can't launch a new console without having a semi-decent publishing label of your own, how are you expected to help 3P publishers if you lack that? Microsoft is NOT buying ABK for the same reasons, or anywhere near the same circumstances. It's a fraudulent comparison.
Are you sure Sony took away content from other platforms as much as you think they did, or was it really more a case of 3P developers and publishers choosing to prioritize PlayStation over inferior market offerings of that generation? Square-Enix didn't need a sneaky exclusivity deal to prioritize PS1 for FF VII; the N64 being a half-backwards technological dead-end and the Saturn being a cumbersomely engineered console with a parent company waging war between its two sides were enough reasons for them to skip those platforms. Locking up Tomb Raider 2 & 3 as exclusivity deals mattered little when the only other console they would've released on was already dead at retail by the words of its own parent company by E3 1997, and the sales split for the original game was embarrassingly small for Saturn.
I think people like you genuinely believe every 3P exclusive on the PS1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 are moneyhats that Sony locked away from Xbox. That's a sad thought to have, but I bet there are at least some people who genuinely feel that way. Because when you start asking them about specific games, it always comes down to Final Fantasy (which can be explained by poor Xbox sales and revenue for the few games that did come to the system, like FF XIII and XV), SFV (which Sony helped co-fund and also put towards Capcom Cup as their biggest sponsor), or some random Japanese game that you could point to an equivalent of on Xbox with extremely poor sales and virtually no community, so of course those games would not have prioritized Xbox.
Meanwhile very rarely can people ever point to Western AAA releases Sony locked away from Xbox outside of Deathloop & Ghostwire (which are closer to AA IMO) and...that's about it. Oh unless you want to get into exclusive COD content which MS started the trend of with 360. Otherwise there are a lot more example of Microsoft actually locking out PlayStation of Western 3P AAA games and content, to the exclusive GTA 4 DLC, to the Mass Effect trilogy being exclusive to 360 that gen, to (potentially) Saints Row (all I know is that there was a PS3 port of the 1st game in development that was suddenly cancelled and no Saints Row games came to PS3 that gen), to Rise of the Tomb Raider and so forth.
People like you pretend like the 360 generation never happened. Like only NOW is Xbox a "big deal". Please. You fail to acknowledge the reasons MS fell off towards the end of the 360, and dropped the ball so massively with XBO, are because of many of the same things people bring up now when being critical of their acquisition strategy. Bad upper level management. Lack of a cohesive vision that actually answers needs of the market, not just wants & needs of the platform holder. Lack of proper IP management, retention, and growth. Lack of consistent messaging. Enabling toxicity by associating with some of the most divisive personalities in gaming. Lack of taste around the imaging of their brand. Misreading the market.
Just buying up large publishers with popular IP won't address those problems, because those problems are underlying and foundational. The acquisitions are a band-aid, an expensive one in ABK's case.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
He Lol'd at the wrong person.Ezikiel got hit with a perm? The hell did I miss? I always had good interactions with dude.
GHG
Gold Member
I find it weird that
One of life's greatest mysteries. He wasn't always like this either.
Hey Phil/Nadella, if you also need my account name your price.
Bumblebeetuna
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That's fine that you're against all acquisitions, everyone is entitled to their own opinions on it. I don't have a problem with acquisitions. In a majority of cases they are done because the studio needs the financial backing.
But again, what does that part about the developer "almost always making games for the place that acquires them" matter? If you're against acquisitions, then Company A buying Dev B should bother you, regardless of who Dev B was making games for prior to being bought.
Guerrilla Games for example, made a multi platform shooter. Then Sony paid them to make a shooter for them, it turned into Killzone, a PS2 exclusive. Then they were bought by Sony. Does it really matter that Sony moneyhatted a game out of them before buying them? Naughty Dog. Who cares if they made three or whatever games for Sony prior to being bought? According to the logic used in this thread, didn't that just mean they were money whipped from making games for other consumers for years and years and then Sony bought them, ending any chance that a Sega/Nintendo/MS gamer would be able to play their games?
It's business. Who cares. If Sony were buying ABK, I would say the same thing, more power to them. It seems the only people who have legit issues with this are fans of the competing console who don't want the boat rocked. And Sony, of course. Sony is against it because they don't want MS in control of their free CoD paydays.
What's even more comically bad about that argument is the fact that owning Psygnosis before they were anything they still released their new IPs on Sega consoles, not even talking about removing existing IP, but releasing new IP like Wipeout and Destruction Derby on the Sega Saturn. Then they try and draw parallels to the MS acquisitions today where they're arguing over removing existing IPs and saying cancelling Starfield and Redfall versions is fine. At least make sure you actually have the "moral high ground" before trying to argue about a moral high ground in business.
Iced Arcade
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not going to lie, Ezikiel lasted longer than I thought he would.
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ToTTenTranz
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EDIT: I misread, I was wrong and I apologize.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It's not that they have to, but since they're using non-Xbox money to buy something like ABK, people (including regulators) should (rightfully) look at it as Microsoft in their entirety, rather than just Microsoft as #3 in console gaming, because they aren't limiting the funds for this to just the profits of their gaming division.
And they can't. Xbox since its inception has lost Microsoft more money than they've made in profits. Xbox has never built up enough profits that could go into a cash reserve for an acquisition purchase like ABK.
It'd be one thing if Microsoft were taking a little bit of Windows, Azure, Office money to contribute towards Xbox money to buy ABK. But that isn't the case, and it's also part of the concern regulators have with their acquisition. They can potentially use their wealth of money from their actual main pillars (the ones that bring in the lions share of profits) to buy up the 3P market and foreclose on console rivals.
That's not the type of "competition" regulators want to see, nor do most gamers for that matter.
EDIT: Or basically as T Three put it. Just with more words since I write novellas as a certain
adamsapple
has told me 
The playing card, toy, arcade and Japanese love hotel money Nintendo earned earlier was used to fund their push into consoles with the NES/Famicom.
Non-PS division money was used to start PlayStation because PlayStation didn't exist yet. Same why non-Xbox money was used to fund Xbox; Xbox didn't yet exist.
Xbox has been in business for 20+ years. The money being used to buy ABK comes from everywhere else in Microsoft but Xbox. It is not comparable to any of the other things you just mentioned.
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Bumblebeetuna
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Hey guys, remember that time dishonesty went so far that people started to try passing all 8 dev studios / 13 different dev houses from an entire publisher as "just this one entity"?
At ease, soldier. The person you're quoting is very much against the deal and wasn't debating with any sort of "dishonesty".
IFireflyl
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This has been debunked so many times. Do your research, and then come join the thread.
Punished Miku
Banned
I think he lol'd at Evilore. I wasnt kidding with my comment earlier. He died doing what he loves.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
This is why I kind of flip-flopped at the end of my post. I also hate exclusivity agreements, and I think most of the acquisitions in the scenario I posited are normally due to those exclusivity agreements in the first place. I guess my opinion is more that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony should just leave the publishers and studios alone entirely, and only make offers and such (including exclusivity and acquisition) when approached by a studio/publisher. To be clear, this is in reference to video game acquisitions. Tech is another thing entirely, and I could see any of those companies acquiring a smaller company to use their tech. That's pretty standard across all industries, and that's not something that I monitor or have put any thought into.
IFireflyl
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Hey guys, remember that time dishonesty went so far that people started to try passing all 8 dev studios / 13 different dev houses from an entire publisher as "just this one entity"?
Just to confirm, are you accusing me of doing this in an attempt to be dishonest?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
This is one of the few benefits of cloud gaming that actually seem would feel immediately tangible. Quickly querying up a game to play for a few minutes or so without needing to download it, to see if it's to your liking.
I still think playing entire games through cloud is ultimately fruitless if it's a big game and your bitrate is high; you're better off downloading the game in that case or getting the hardware so where you can download the game and play it natively. But as a way to preview games without needing to download, it's a nice QOL feature.
FWIW Sony have similar cloud functionality at least on console; maybe not with all games but many of them. It'd be nice to see them consider expanding that to mobile platforms but I think they'd have to bring some form of PS+ or just a PS mobile storefront , for mobile users who don't have a console. Could be worth if to entice them into picking up a console down the line, if they can cloud stream PS games on their device and earn PS+ perks & rewards that can work with their account on a console.
freefornow
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Whatever the outcome, there needs to be a brief armistice to post in honour of the many fallen warriors who fought so bravely in this thread.So when this deal passes what should we fight over next
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ToTTenTranz
Banned
I was, but it was wrong of me and I retracted it.
Sorry.
IFireflyl
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
There has been so many on both sides that have gone because of this thread and possibly a lot more befor the end
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
You won't be far off to my friend lol
ReBurn
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Being one of the biggest trolls on the forum caught up with him.Ezikiel got hit with a perm? The hell did I miss? I always had good interactions with dude.
Pelta88
Member
Most of my interaction with him was in this thread. I never saw any of it, here.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I don't care what CADE has to say, they approved it unconditionally. The 3 major regulatory bodies all had objections to the deal, the FTC has sued to block it outright (the same FTC who fanboys thought would approve it by August of last year), the EU had objections to which Microsoft responded to, so we're waiting on a ruling for that & the CMA also had concerns regarding CoD & cloud gaming & offered divestiture as a remedy, to which Microsoft already said no. The CMA put out a well-detailed report & I was surprised by how much they understood the industry.
I don't know why you're acting like I'm refusing Sony played a big part in this, I remember the fanboys on this very forum were talking about how the deal was gonna through without a hitch & Sony wouldn't be able to do anything to stop it. And yet here we are, yea no shit it's not a shocker Sony's the main opposition to the deal for obvious reasons. That's been a well-known fact since the very beginning & their strategy is working so far, so much for the "Microsoft will bribe the regulators to get it through" crowd.
Lmao, "everything going your way." The bolded part still remains true, Sony heavily invested in their first-party over time & churned out some quality titles including some of the best games from last-gen. TLOU, TLOU2, God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, Marvel's Spider-Man, Death Stranding, Bloodborne & etc. Games like Returnal (new IP) & Spider-Man were funded & published by Sony themselves with Housemarque & Insomniac who were third-parties at the time before they got acquired after the games were successful. Look at how much of a powerhouse Insomniac became now with their insane output already this gen, an absolute steal for Sony for just $230M, that's how it's done.
The result of those investments they made paid dividends for them as the consumers (including me) & the market chose them over Xbox because of what they had to offer, they earned the market share they have today because they learned from their past mistakes & actually invested in their first-party output. All of these IP's (with the exception of Spider-Man which funny enough Phil passed on when Marvel asked) were formed under Sony, they weren't taken away from other platforms like you keep whining about. No one was complaining when Xbox acquired studios like Ninja Theory or Playground, PS players started complaining when publishers like Bethesda were acquired & they found out games like Starfield, the next Fallout & Elder Scrolls will be permanently yanked off PlayStation, which is exactly what Microsoft plans to do with Call of Duty if the deal goes through.
Now tell me, what major multiplat IP did Sony recently take away from Xbox permanently & called it first-party?
It ain't Sony's fault Phil sucked at his job when it came to investing in their own first-party output last-gen, take it up with him.
They've been in the industry for 2 decades now & have always been a major player alongside Sony, they didn't just become a "big deal" over night because of a $69 billion deal that has yet to even go through. No one's gonna care if MS continues acquiring studios the way Sony has been doing now, as long as big publishers aren't being bought out resulting in established IP's being taken away from the competing platform. I still don't know what the fuck Phil's doing & why Asobo Studio hasn't been acquired yet, they're a capable developer who have a lot of potential under Xbox first-party. I've played both Plague Tale games on PS & they were great.
Don't worry, regulators will do their jobs. They'll care then, just like how they went from thinking no concessions would be needed for ABK, to signing all these licensing deals with other companies & offering Sony a 3-year CoD licensing deal before upping that to 10 years after more unexpected regulatory scrutiny. I guarantee you they won't think about acquiring any major publishers after this ABK mess gets resolved, that's the one good thing to come out of this deal.
Not this shit again...
Uh, can we get an autopsy result for
In Cold Blood
? Feels like we need one after this.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
You not see that any positive Xbox news he would laugh at it constantly? Litrally on everybody who said anything positive about Xbox got one lol
Was funny for a bit
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