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[Kvally]

Zenimax roundtable now being discussed.

Yes! Let's go! Should be good!

 

[X-Wing]

What details are wrong?

The argument is that it is not up to Xbox to put the game on PS Now. It is up to Sony as a platform holder to contact the content creator and request content to be put there and Sony never did that.

I think people who are saying that Phil is being coked are wrong. The lawyer sucks and has missed several opportunities to make a relevant point.
Phil is doing wel actually.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Spicy.

 

[xHunter]

What details are wrong?

The Lawyer thought F76 is Forza 7 or 6. In the grand scheme not that big of deal since it was about it being on PS Now.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I think Derek is referring 'withholding Minecraft' and FO76 from PS Now.

No details are wrong. Derek is wrong.

Those were separate convos. I'm listening. Phil said "allow F76. don't allow Minecraft."

 

[Ogbert]

Phil swiftly proved the FTC's point that the acquisition spree is specifically to remove games from PlayStation.

Here's the problem though.

For all the Minecraft talk, was it taken off Sony's platform? If this was a two way conversation, the immediate response to the FTC would be 'of course, like any company we consider what is in our best interests, but for such a ubiquitous title, it made sense, economically and strategically, for it to remain in place. As such, our aim is never exclusivity. Rather, what is best for ourselves and our gamers'.

The FTC line of reasoning for Minecraft demonstrated that that particular acquisition was vertical in nature.

 

[Bernoulli]

No details are wrong. Derek is wrong.

Those were separate convos. I'm listening. Phil said "allow F76. don't allow Minecraft."

just ignore them
they post only to push the narrative

 

[DeepEnigma]

The argument is that it is not up to Xbox to put the game on PS Now. It is up to Sony has a platform holder to contact the content creator and request content to be put there and Sony never did that.

Unless Sony provided them that they asked.

So how can he say "we have not allowed" unless it was asked?

 

[Banjo64]

I promise you that email said I wish we could announce TES and Fallout as exclusive now.

 

[X-Wing]

Unless Sony provided them that they asked.

So how can he say "we have not allowed" unless it was asked?

He didn't say that. They discussed it, but they never refused to put it on PS Now should Sony have requested.

 

[DeepEnigma]

He didn't say that. They discussed it, but they never refused to put it on PS Now should Sony have requested.

They were separate conversations.

I promise you that email said I wish we could announce TES and Fallout as exclusive now.

Exactly.

 

[adamsapple]

just ignore them
they post only to push the narrative

Me or Derek ? I'm not the one who said that lol

 

[FrankWza]

Mojang created Minecraft. Mojang is an Xbox Game Studio.

Yup. Just like that guy Mikey Jordan is a Washington wizard.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Microsoft should be shamed industry wide for wanting to make Minecraft exclusive.

I mean, I get the desire for doing so, and since they owned the content, by all other means it'd of been within their right to do so.

But it definitely goes against a lot of the pro-consumer marketing points they've been preaching for years (to get good optics), about not wanting to break up communities.

Yeah, they only don't want to break up those communities if they're communities Microsoft 100% has ownership of

 

[Interfectum]

just got back from lunch, stream link please!

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

I don't remember, I don't recall, c'mon Phil, are you getting senile!?

 

[Rossco EZ]

just got back from lunch, stream link please!

 

[Astray]

Really wish I could be watching this rn, but I'm on vacation rn.

 

[Nothing1234]

Phil doesn't remember meetings with Zenimax now.

 

[Darsxx82]

It's one thing I haven't understood.... Minecraft also has no XSeries version. I do not understand how P. Spencer has not clarified such a thing.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I don't remember, I don't recall, c'mon Phil, are you getting senile!?

To be fair, when you push a lot of BS into the PR ether, it's hard to keep track of your narratives.

 

[Tarnpanzer]

Phil doesn't remember meetings with Zenimax now.

This is actually a very good tactic in court. Works very often.

 

[graywolf323]

is someone going to make a thread about the Minecraft revelation? I feel like that's thread-worthy given someone made one about Phil claiming they don't pay for console exclusivity

 

[Topher]

"subscribe subscribe like like"

lol

 

[adamsapple]

They quickly move on to the next question when the current talking point is done.

But the tweet is pretty self explanatory.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Really wish I could be watching this rn, but I'm on vacation rn.

For some of us, this trail is our vacation, so you are most likely having a more fun time than we are

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's one thing I haven't understood.... Minecraft also has no XSeries version. I do not understand how P. Spencer has not clarified such a thing.

Not as weird as your Spider-Man comparison to Indiana Jones yesterday, John.

Spencer should have clarified. He doesn't even know what game versions he has, allegedly. Must be that Smart Delivery™

 

[tryDEATH]

Phil is ducking and weaving extremely effectively and not digging MS into a hole leaving their lawyers with a lot of leeway to counter a lot the arguments being made by the FTC.

 

[Mr Moose]

They quickly move on to the next question when the current talking point is done.

But the tweet is pretty self explanatory.

MS should give Mojang some dev kits then.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

This trial is the best exclusive team Xbox has released in years.

 

[tmlDan]

This is actually a very good tactic in court. Works very often.

It is unless they have written evidence

 

[jm89]

He forgot.

Fucking bullshit.

I'm sure you remember all sorts of irrelevent shit that happened prior.

 

[Shambala]

Man Phil has that selective memory

 

[adamsapple]

MS should give Mojang some dev kits then.

It's probably a deliberate thing to maintain parity. Sony not giving them devkits (on time or at all) is probably holding back the RT patched version of Minecraft on modern consoles all round.

 

[Elios83]

Phil is ducking and weaving extremely effectively and not digging MS into a hole leaving their lawyers with a lot of leeway to counter a lot the arguments being made by the FTC.

I don't remember

 

[DeepEnigma]

MS should give Mojang some dev kits then.

They do. For the exclusive Minecraft 2

 

[Heisenberg007]

Meeting? What meeting?

 

[Kvally]

MS should give Mojang some dev kits then.

It's weird that MS hasn't made a Series X/S version of Minecraft nor a PS5 version. I do remember they canceled some special 4K version because it wasn't meeting QA requirements.

 

[GHG]

Man Phil has that selective memory

He has selective amnesia, just like many here.

What a coincidence!

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's probably a deliberate thing to maintain parity. Sony not giving them devkits (on time or at all) is probably holding back the RT patched version of Minecraft on modern consoles all round.

Now this is some spin

 

[Topher]

I bet this guy talks this way all the damn time.

"Honey, you don't have any recollection of me asking you to buy peanut butter at the store, now do you?"

 

[Nothing1234]

Phil attending meetings and forgetting them all.

 

[Interfectum]

 

[Heisenberg007]

It's probably a deliberate thing to maintain parity. Sony not giving them devkits (on time or at all) is probably holding back the RT patched version of Minecraft on modern consoles all round.

lmao. what dev kits? the console has been out for 3 years lol. and they already had dev kits because of Bethesda / Deathloop / Ghostwire Tokyo.

 

[Ogbert]

Really frustrating that key references aren't disclosed in open court.

I want the dirt.

 

[Alebrije]

Zenimax roundtable now being discussed.

 

[adamsapple]

Now this is some spin

Just following up on what's been said on record already lol.

At least we can rule out that Minecraft has a dedicated SX version where no dedicated PS5 version exists.

 

[Jigsaah]

So what's the format of this hearing? Do the plaintiff's and defendants go back and forth in terms of questioning or isthe prosecution having a full say, then the defense have a full say with obvious cross examinations and what not?

 

[scarlet0pimp]

It's one thing I haven't understood.... Minecraft also has no XSeries version. I do not understand how P. Spencer has not clarified such a thing.

I Dont think there is even a 1x version of minecraft, but there is PS4 pro version, minecraft on Ps5 plays at 1440p but only 1080p on series x

 

[cebri.one]

FTC defending this pretty badly, if I were the lawyer my points would be pretty clear:

1. MS is trying to buy the biggest games
2. Biggest games have an anchor effect (system sellers)
3. MS wants to make those games exclusives to GP (emails, latest bethesda releases)
4. MS is currently dumping the competition with GP offering a price way below the cost
5. When MS is sucesfull at gaining market control, they will act like always (azure, o365) and pass the cost to consumer -> huge raise of GP price + less benefits.

The only way out of here is Valve trying to make a stand but I think they are still happy with their position. Sony just doesn't have the financial capability to try to fight this, they would be better off becoming a third party.