Rentahamster
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I was wondering why the "live" tag is active haha
Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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FlyyGOD
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The FTC
tmlDan
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it is tho, its completely different from console gaming and sub services because its shared differently.
I can download and buy a movie and play it anywhere as well as stream it from a sub service. I can't download and play a game on every platform like i can stream from the cloud (cloud can be played on everything).
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HoofHearted
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Nintendo has more than enough of my money already…I'm telling you. Nintendo is listening to this shit like
FullMetalx117
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Similar market imo - people on a budget, kids, europoors, other 3rd world countries will be debating between these boxes. And may splurge for the PS5 anyways
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Moridianae
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Welp, looks like it's GGs for injunction. I look forward to Microsoft continuing to buy out entire publishers, because that's what they'll do.
The minute someone like Ubisoft shows turmoil, here they'll come, same for Sony.
I hope everyone looks forward to a guaranteed acquisition war, because that's exactly how Sony will respond if it goes through.
None of this will be good for gaming going forward.
The minute someone like Ubisoft shows turmoil, here they'll come, same for Sony.
I hope everyone looks forward to a guaranteed acquisition war, because that's exactly how Sony will respond if it goes through.
None of this will be good for gaming going forward.
Topher
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Putting the word "idiot" in quotes threw me. No worries though. I think this judge gets the market about as well as most judges would. She seems on point to me. The FTC and their witnesses just sound silly. You can tell which lawyers are getting paid by trillion dollar corporations and which lawyers are on the tax payer's dime.
DeepEnigma
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IDK, some dude was asking him that question. And he corrected them by saying it was the 8th gen around 2015/16, did not remember exact year between the two.
mrmustard
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I know that, i'm a pc gamer. But the 3rd party cut is the real money maker. Ask Sony, they can't survive without COD
Varteras
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Fabieter
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People are soo shortsighted it's insane. It will be all downwards from here on out.
The lawyer asked when gamepass came about to determine if there was enough data.
Vognerful
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Motha!.................
I now remembered I can provide!
- Original announcement of the game only mentioned ps5 and PC
- Microsoft own statement to CMA................ which not a single entity of the opposite party called it out!
- historical precedence from FF7R
since you like courts a lot, you then can droll over CMA filing that I shared earlier, it is by a lawyer who works in courts after all.
Aguero9320
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Sorry, I did that because I was distilling the sentiment down from 'doesn't get the market' down into incapable (which is the same thing at this level) - was meant to represent airquotes, but can see how that might have been confusing as to mean a direct quote.Putting the word "idiot" in quotes threw me. No worries though. I think this judge gets the market about as well as most judges would. She seems on point to me. The FTC and their witnesses just sound silly. You can tell which lawyers are getting paid by trillion dollar corporations and which lawyers are on the tax payer's dime.
Kilau
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Never understood why you "throttle up" laser blasts. It's so dumb.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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"Roasting". Yeah OK, sure. She seems uneducated about the difference between a market and a medium comprising a range of markets, if anything.
Different markets can share the same content. Type of content isn't necessarily what makes them unique, not in and of itself. Delivery of the content and the market's influence on certain choices of content in that market also help define markets as being unique to one another.
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Vognerful
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Do you have a proof that it is a timed exclusive?
More scaremongering that's easily dispelled by the information we already have.
Besides, nobody is buying Ubisoft. They're a mess, and have too many employees.
Oh stop being a baby and use your brain.
It takes TWO to tango, It's not like Microsoft holds a gun to someone's head. It's up to the other publisher/company if they want to be purchased or not.
EDIT, I may not hear well what expert said...
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Topher
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All good bro
DeepEnigma
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A car is a car.
Varteras
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Or why you would neat to fight in space at point blank range like it's a fucking old pirate ship battle.
Fabieter
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Motha!.................
I now remembered I can provide!
- Original announcement of the game only mentioned ps5 and PC
- Microsoft own statement to CMA................ which not a single entity of the opposite party called it out!
- historical precedence from FF7R
since you like courts a lot, you then can droll over CMA filing that I shared earlier, it is by a lawyer who works in courts after all.
Some indicative and data provided by Microsoft with proven wrong data with Bloodborne. You have less of a case than ftc.
Corrik
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Yeah "the survey you didn't read?" / mocking him as esteemed.
You are right. She was just some uneducated pleb asking for him to please educate her.
Moridianae
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It's what it will *be*. It doesn't have anything to do with how much "capital" Sony has.
This will start an acquisition war, plain and simple. If it clears, I would wager that Sony will respond by taking Square within a years time or so. You can bookmark this post.
Ar¢tos
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What precedence?Motha!.................
I now remembered I can provide!
- Original announcement of the game only mentioned ps5 and PC
- Microsoft own statement to CMA................ which not a single entity of the opposite party called it out!
- historical precedence from FF7R
since you like courts a lot, you then can droll over CMA filing that I shared earlier, it is by a lawyer who works in courts after all.
FF7R and FF7R Intergrade exclusivity ended, if Square doesn't release the game for Xbox it's because they don't think it is viable to port, debug and optimize 2 versions of the game for the pitiful amount of sales it would have there.
Publishers want to make money, not get nervous in hopes of breaking even.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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How's that change the fact the judge doesn't seem to know what factors contribute towards marking distinct markets?
DeepEnigma
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We all will if these companies get what they want in 10-15 years. Well, I won't. But you get what I mean.
Vognerful
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sorry but I am not aware that we have the details of exclusivity agreement for FF7R. Can you share it with me?
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I want to add that I would consider it similar to FF7R if even the PC port was kept undisclosed from the beginning. And don't we have a thread how the FXVI exclusivity came to be in the first place?
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tmlDan
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why are you being an asshole about it, commend her for trying to learn so she can make the proper decision.
gaming isn't everything, and most people don't care about gaming
PaintTinJr
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A good analogy for the judge to understand might be to describe consoles like the horse and cart at the introduction of the motor vehicle.
Both vehicles in essence do the same job with vastly different hardware, and initially compete, but they are different markets. No one looking to buy even an old car is considering a horse and cart as a substitute after the nascent car market moved to being established and cars could cruise at 50mph.
Corrik
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I think a judge that hears Federal Trade cases likely knows more about markets than you, bud.
Thirty7ven
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It's being cheered by a bunch of people who don't even play Call of Duty nor any of ABK's titles, who are under the impression that MS will buy whoever they want failing to realize the shoe might be on the other foot if ABK goes through, and we will be talking about franchises the hardcore actually care about.
That's not what he said. He said no it didn't exist during the 360 it was mid 8th gen. He wasn't sure of the year, guessed 2016/2017.
Nothing would be more karma than Sony somehow buying take 2 and making GTA exclusive... not that I think it would happen but can you imagine. Even Capcom which seems to be on a huge uprise
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graywolf323
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given how much some on here like to complain about Street Fighter V, imagine if Sony bought Capcom
have a feeling a lot of those cheering Xbox's acquisition spree would suddenly be complaining
of course if it weren't for double standards some would have no standards
DeepEnigma
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She even admitted before the case that she is not too privy about the game industry. This is a "learn as you go" establishing case law.
Maybe she should check her condescending tone for someone who seems to lack context and nuance about all the moving parts and wants to essentially say, "a car is a car."
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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No, he's trying to mock me for saying the judge sounds uneducated for not knowing what factors go into defining a unique market.
And, I did, because they don't seem to have a good grasp on it. They are thinking along the lines of Netflix and distribution of content, but content distribution is one of the factors that actually define unique markets in the first place! Arcades & home consoles for example were unique markets still in the same industry, in large part due to how they delivered content and how the content was accessed.
The judge seems to think that they need to have completely different types of content altogether or maybe even be of different mediums in order to be defined as unique markets, which is incorrect. But it's up to the FTC and their witnesses to convince her of a better viewpoint.
SirKicksalot
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You may be right. I'm going to edit
FoxMcChief
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Tough act to follow.
Dick Jones
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Apparently if Jim sent a list of Capcom games to be on Xbox and include Street Fighter II, its great.
Fuck major acquisitions
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