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[Vox Machina]

Because Tencent isn't taking games off of competing platforms. Microsoft is purchasing and making shit exclusive to further their goals and "outspend Sony."

That... doesn't explain how they're winning at all. That's just normal platform-holder stuff (Sony and Nintendo also make games exclusive) and some copy/pasted words from an email that was deemed irrelevant. Tencent will still be the market leader (in the overall gaming market).

 

[tpieman2029]

I remember hoeg had an interesting response once where someone asked him not if the deal will go thru but does he want it to go thru and part of his answer was that if you could pin point the exact moment the game industry was ruined thru consolidation you would want to stop it but he wasn't sure if this deal would be that moment. The idea of president is kind of like that. You can't set one until the worst has already happened

 

[DeepEnigma]

That... doesn't explain how they're winning at all. That's just normal platform-holder stuff (Sony and Nintendo also make games exclusive) and some copy/pasted words from an email that was deemed irrelevant. Tencent will still be the market leader (in the overall gaming market).

Tencent is the leader when they're not and when they are, but when they're not.

 

[Vox Machina]

Tencent is the leader when they're not and when they are, but when they're not.

Global regulators should take a look so that the superposition collapses.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Global regulators should take a look so that the superposition collapses.

I know, right?

Sony's the industry leader, when it is, when it isn't. Depending on the narrative we want to carefully craft to benefit MSFT™, of course.

 

[Vox Machina]

I know, right?

Sony's the industry leader, when it is, when it isn't. Depending on the narrative we want to carefully craft to benefit MSFT™, of course.

Nice edit bro! Sony is, indeed, the market leader in the console market. Thanks for reminding the thread!

 

[DeepEnigma]

Nice edit bro! Sony is, indeed, the market leader in the console market. Thanks for reminding the thread!

Tencent still owns less studios than either MS or Sony, and they have never nor have an incentive to foreclose IPs as a non-platform holder like the current #2 in console space MS.

 

[Morrie’s wig shop]

FTC argued this in court using market theory and case precedence and yet the judge waved it away. Dems the breaks, can't create new precedence and then go back right after just because it's a different entity.

Every regulator and a US judge have said taking the biggest franchise yearly exclusive would be no problem, and have almost no effect. Can't then turn around and say well Sony can't because they ASIAN.

Because there Asian?

Back in the 1980s' and 90s', regulators didn't stop Sony from gobbling up all those US music and movie studios and they were way more Asian centric then they are now.

I know your only kidding but c'mon, if Sony hasn't been buying US company's for the last 4 decades then yeah.

 

[Heisenberg007]

That... doesn't explain how they're winning at all. That's just normal platform-holder stuff (Sony and Nintendo also make games exclusive) and some copy/pasted words from an email that was deemed irrelevant. Tencent will still be the market leader (in the overall gaming market).

Tencent is NOT a platform holder. Microsoft is.

They are not the same. It's illogical to count Microsoft and Tencent as the same as they are not competitors.

 

[Vox Machina]

Tencent is NOT a platform holder. Microsoft is.

They are not the same. It's illogical to count Microsoft and Tencent as the same as they are not competitors.

Microsoft and Tencent are absolutely competitors in the overall gaming market. That's just a factual observation. If you want to scope the market down to only "high-performance console manufacturers" (like the FTC attempted to do) then, yeah, of course Tencent isn't a part of that market. I doubt very much that Tencent gives 2 fucks about that though, considering they're raking it in regardless.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Tencent is NOT a platform holder. Microsoft is.

They are not the same. It's illogical to count Microsoft and Tencent as the same as they are not competitors.

A triple platform holder if I'm not mistaken:
Windows OS, Xbox and Xcloud/Azure.

 

[skit_data]

Microsoft and Tencent are absolutely competitors in the overall gaming market

Careful now, you're awfully close to saying they are competitors in the form of game publishers. If that's the case so were ABK and Microsoft and then we're looking at a horizontal merger which de facto leads to less options for consumers.

 

[Bernoulli]

funny how everyone is mad at tencent for buying things but support Microsoft

that's why i want tencent and the saudi to buy everything they can at least it will be safe from MS

 

[Ar¢tos]

funny how everyone is mad at tencent for buying things but support Microsoft

that's why i want tencent and the saudi to buy everything they can at least it will be safe from MS

They don't see that Tencent is buying things so more games reach more players everywhere and everybody can play so everybody will win.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Microsoft and Tencent are absolutely competitors in the overall gaming market. That's just a factual observation. If you want to scope the market down to only "high-performance console manufacturers" (like the FTC attempted to do) then, yeah, of course Tencent isn't a part of that market. I doubt very much that Tencent gives 2 fucks about that though, considering they're raking it in regardless.

They are not competitors.

And it's not about FTC. Every regulator in the world defined the competition market as either: (1) Xbox/PlayStation/Nintendo or (2) Xbox/PlayStation. Tencent was never a part of that conversation.

And if you're saying that Tencent is a competitor to Microsoft only because they are also a game publisher, then Activision-Blizzard-King is also a Microsoft competitor, and then that makes it a horizontal merger between the two that should be blocked.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

funny how everyone is mad at tencent for buying things but support Microsoft

that's why i want tencent and the saudi to buy everything they can at least it will be safe from MS

I don't know how anyone who knows of Microsoft's history would be happy they are buying IP. How long has Perfect Dark been about to come out? Microsoft hasn't shown itself to be a good stewart of creative endeavors for at least 10 years.

 

[Thirty7ven]

funny how everyone is mad at tencent for buying things but support Microsoft

that's why i want tencent and the saudi to buy everything they can at least it will be safe from MS

When Tencent buys devs nothing changes and nobody loses and that's bad mmkay

 

[Bernoulli]

I don't know how anyone who knows of Microsoft's history would be happy they are buying IP. How long has Perfect Dark been about to come out? Microsoft hasn't shown itself to be a good stewart of creative endeavors for at least 10 years.

and these same people are hyping that microsoft will bring back every old Activision games back like prototype ( wich i loved btw)

we saw with bethesda, they did nothing, just took games that were going to release and made them exclusive

 

[DeepEnigma]

They are not competitors.

And it's not about FTC. Every regulator in the world defined the competition market as either: (1) Xbox/PlayStation/Nintendo or (2) Xbox/PlayStation. Tencent was never a part of that conversation.

And if you're saying that Tencent is a competitor to Microsoft only because they are also a game publisher, then Activision-Blizzard-King is also a Microsoft competitor, and then that makes it a horizontal merger between the two that should be blocked.

That's the problem when you mental gymnastics and goalpost around every narrative to shape it to benefit The Brand™

You eventually paint yourself into a circular corner that needs a narrative to dispel that narrative. Oddly familiar, that poster. Oddly, indeed.

 

[Bernoulli]

When Tencent buys devs nothing changes and nobody loses and that's bad mmkay

this is why Microsoft is better, they bring games to more people, when we all play we all win

 

[Thirty7ven]

And if you're saying that Tencent is a competitor to Microsoft only because they are also a game publisher, then Activision-Blizzard-King is also a Microsoft competitor, and then that makes it a horizontal merger between the two that should be blocked.

This one right here is interesting, how are horizontal/vertical mergers being identified?

Like how could a company like MS ever make an horizontal merger unless they bought Apple or Google? How could Sony make an horizontal merger?

It all looks very muddy.

 

[Vox Machina]

Careful now, you're awfully close to saying they are competitors in the form of game publishers. If that's the case so were ABK and Microsoft and then we're looking at a horizontal merger which de facto leads to less options for consumers.

I'm actually not sure what the test is the regulators use to determine whether a merger is horizontal or vertical in nature, tbh.

 

[Ar¢tos]

and these same people are hyping that microsoft will bring back every old Activision games back like prototype ( wich i loved btw)

we saw with bethesda, they did nothing, just took games that were going to release and made them exclusive

It was selective.
They did nothing for Redfall, completely hands OFF because it was a turd, but for Hi-fi Rush there were fanboys praising MS to the heavens.

 

[Lunarorbit]

So from what I understand the judge basically said that since games aren't going up in price now that consolidating a humongous dev into a trillion dollar company is OK. She hand waved any consequences down the line with potential monopolies.

Oh and her son works at Microsoft. Yeah that real up and up.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I don't know how anyone who knows of Microsoft's history would be happy they are buying IP. How long has Perfect Dark been about to come out? Microsoft hasn't shown itself to be a good stewart of creative endeavors for at least 10 years.

because they are not an entertainment company. They don't have the culture for it.

 

[Vox Machina]

So from what I understand the judge basically said that since games aren't going up in price now that consolidating a humongous dev into a trillion dollar company is OK. She hand waved any consequences down the line with potential monopolies.

Oh and her son works at Microsoft. Yeah that real up and up.

Game prices needed to go up a long time ago, unless you think developers/publishers are immune to inflation somehow.

 

[Thirty7ven]

because they are not an entertainment company. They don't have the culture for it.

Phil Spencer reading this post

*Add 1 Culture to Cart*

 

[Chiggs]

Oh and her son works at Microsoft. Yeah that real up and up.

First of all, this isn't even remotely new "news."

Secondly, you should take up the concern with the FTC, since they are the ones that wanted this tried in Northern California. Also, Corley disclosed her son's employment, so....what are we talking about again?

 

[Punished Miku]

First of all, this isn't even remotely new "news."

Secondly, you should take up the concern with the FTC, since they are the ones that wanted this tried in Northern California. Also, Corley disclosed her son's employment, so....what are we talking about again?

They gotcha. Shame ...

 

[Chiggs]

They gotcha. Shame ...

Well, that's what happens when you press for certain things in a trial. And the first judge recused himself, so....

Edit: Ah, you mean taking the bait...what else is left in this thread?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Careful now, you're awfully close to saying they are competitors in the form of game publishers. If that's the case so were ABK and Microsoft and then we're looking at a horizontal merger which de facto leads to less options for consumers.

uh-oh spaghetti-o's

 

[M16]

(Bloomberg) -- Federal Trade Commission Chair Lina Khan defended the agency's record in court, pushing back on criticism in the wake of its unsuccessful challenge to Microsoft Corp.'s Activision Blizzard Inc. takeover.

"In federal court, we have lost two merger cases. We have brought somewhere between 13 and 20, depending on how you count," Khan said in a question-and-answer session following a speech at the Economic Club of New York on Monday. "In the scheme of our merger enforcement program, losing two is OK."

But she acknowledged that the nature of the Microsoft deal – the company doesn't compete directly with Activision, the maker of popular video game titles played on Microsoft's Xbox and rival consoles – made the legal challenge difficult.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Vox Machina]

MSN

www.msn.com

Well that was timely

 

[DeepEnigma]

Well that was timely

Which also removes your "Tencent competitors" from the equation.

 

[Varteras]

MSN

www.msn.com

Which also removes your "Tencent competitors" from the equation.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I always wondered where that sound font came from that I heard in some YT'ers videos when they play it to make fun of some instances in our perceived reality, or dashcam videos when a car hits another car. Now I know.

 

[bender]

I always wondered where that sound font came from that I heard in some YT'ers videos when they play it to make fun of some instances in our perceived reality, or dashcam videos when a car hits another car. Now I know.

It came from Messiah via Tommy Tallarico Studios.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It came from Messiah via Tommy Tallarico Studios.

Oh damn,

Tommy Tallarico, Roblox come to agreement over "oof" sound effect

Intellivision CEO Tommy Tallarico and Roblox have come to an agreement in a copyright disagreement over Roblox's famous…

www.gamesindustry.biz

 

[Vox Machina]

Which also removes your "Tencent competitors" from the equation.

Horizontal Merger narrative killed in vitro, sorry

 

[Edmund]

Lol John is trying to play pretend now huh.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Horizontal Merger narrative killed in vitro, sorry

That's the one you were attempting to paint by saying Tencent was a direct competitor. I guess not. FTC is now loved, yay!

Lol John is trying to play pretend now huh.

What a chud, lol.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Lol John is trying to play pretend now huh.

Also John:

 

[adamsapple]

MSN

www.msn.com

and I guess the last line of the quote means FTC aren't planning to reopen the case ?

 

[Zheph]

Also John:

 

[IFireflyl]

Xbox after this acquisition is approved:

 

[DeepEnigma]

Also John:

He got his talking to by daddy over the months.

 

[Vox Machina]

That's the one you were attempting to paint by saying Tencent was a direct competitor. I guess not. FTC is now loved, yay!

Narrative averted! Whew! Deal hounds on the warpath again.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Narrative averted! Whew! Deal hounds on the warpath again.

 

[bender]

John was just trying to save Activision from Bobby.

Meanwhile at Bobby's yacht...

 

[Vox Machina]

Xbox after this acquisition is approved:

Damn, I didn't realize Blizzard had so many overseas offices. I'd really love to see them increase investment in Korea, a lot of good PC-specific development comes from that area.