Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?

  • Yes, will be approved without changes.

    Votes: 221 24.9%

  • Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.

    Votes: 102 11.5%

  • Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.

    Votes: 262 29.6%

  • No, will not be approved.

    Votes: 301 34.0%
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Timberwolf25 said:
Imagine using Persona 5 and FF16 as a proxy console warring BS because one is on GamePass and the other is a console exclusive.
Both have its fans and what's better is subjective anyway.

Also, what the hell does that have to do with this thread topic?
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We gotta pass the time between news items somehow. :messenger_grinning_sweat:


mckmas8808 said:
You are 100% correct. Both games are great and most people agree that they are great. But now Persona 5 will be used for the console wars going forward. One wonders if "they" would be using Persona 5 in an argument 2 years ago.....
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I appreciate posts like this, it shows immediately whose posting purely from the point of view of console warring, just incapable of imagining that maybe we have played Persona 5 before '2 years ago' as well.

Very narrow minded of you mckmas8808 mckmas8808 .



POKEYCLYDE said:
Screw P5 and FFXVI, Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch is where it's at.
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At least we've determined that if any game is ever exclusive to a Sony console, you are never allowed to dislike that game while also liking any other game in that genre. JRPG (XVI vs Persona), 3rd person cinematic action games for sure (Sony 1st party vs Jedi Survivor). This probably includes other genres too, to be added at any point in later conversation. To be on the safe side, just don't dislike anything exclusive on PS, unless you are prepared to forfeit the entire genre. Your reputation is at stake. Hopefully this addresses everyone's concerns.
 
POKEYCLYDE said:
Screw P5 and FFXVI, Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch is where it's at.
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I haven't played any of those. I seriously thought about starting up P5, but heard it's pretty massive to do everything and some stuff is easily missable if you don't follow a guide.
Currently really enjoying Exoprimal and looking forward to Lies of P as I liked the demo.
Edit: And Halo Infinite. Which has shadow dropped some good maps recently.
 
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James Sawyer Ford said:
A game released years ago and given away on GamePass has been played more?

You don't say

How many have beaten it?

After 1 month, 35% of people have beaten FF16
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It's sold 9 million copies. Gamepass goes on top of that, so almost certainly well over 10 million have played it.

Persona 5 completion rate is 42% on PlayStation.

But I think that's enough about Persona, if you prefer FF16 then that's perfectly OK as well.
 
Punished Miku said:
At least we've determined that if any game is ever exclusive to a Sony console, you are never allowed to dislike that game while also liking any other game in that genre. JRPG (XVI vs Persona), 3rd person cinematic action games for sure (Sony 1st party vs Jedi Survivor). This probably includes other genres too, to be added at any point in later conversation. To be on the safe side, just don't dislike anything exclusive on PS, unless you are prepared to forfeit the entire genre. Your reputation is at stake. Hopefully this addresses everyone's concerns.
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More like when a game is exclusive the haters and comparisons come out. Who was comparing FF15 to Persona 5 7 years ago?
 
Topher said:
Nah.....we've had some good discussions/debates the last few months. Now its just descending into petty bickering and warring.
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This is what happens when LooLoo Bogbrush doesnt say good morning gamers anymore!

Punished Miku said:
all the real life sex I'm having
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Whats that like? It sounds disgusting! Isnt it all kind of messy and needs loads of tissues? I'm still a virgin playing Persona!
 
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havoc00 said:
When actual new hits it will get good again, this is the calm before.
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For sure, well I hope so anyway. I was late to the party on here. But thoroughly enjoyed a lot of the debate and takes shared. great stuff. This is just a tumbleweed moment...
tumbleweed GIF
 
adamsapple said:
I appreciate posts like this, it shows immediately whose posting purely from the point of view of console warring, just incapable of imagining that maybe we have played Persona 5 before '2 years ago' as well.

Very narrow minded of you mckmas8808 mckmas8808 .
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Why is Persona 5 being compared to FF 16 in the first place? That's my point. It's all irrelevant.
 
Punished Miku said:
Please refer to my instructions above and we can avoid any further arguments. Thank you.
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What's with the weird formality 😄. I just don't agree with what you say the cause is. The hate and reasons to hate a game often come from exclusivity and sour grapes from either side.

I've seen people shit on some exclusive for being walking sims, too many cutscenes, third person cinematic or whatever, yet turn around and praise games that do the exact same as long as they are not exclusives to the other side. Games like Plagues Tale, Persona 5 (only now), the Dark anthology, or Jedi: Survivor. Then they spiral into these comparisons of titles people associate more closely with their brand which are just hidden console wars.

Back in 2016 when FF15 and Persona 5 released within 1 month of eachother nobody was trying to force comparisons of Persona 5 and FF15 to say FF15 is shit compared to Persona 5 due to cutscenes yet here we are 7 years later with Persona 5 and FF16, go figure. People often look for baseless reasons to hate a game due to the exclusivity too, is all I'm saying.
 
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Three said:
What's with the weird formality 😄. I just don't agree with what you say the cause is.
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I'm just joking around and talking like a customer service android, duh.

My motto is just let people like what they like. It's an infinite hole of paranoid suspicion to criticize people for liking Plague Tale and hating The Last of Us, or whatever comparison people keep inventing. I have varied opinions on even the same IP, let alone completely different games in the same genre. You have to prove someone's a liar about what they like, which isn't really even possible and for what? To argue that they should like something they didn't like? It's just silly and I've seen it happen repeatedly and not just in this thread. I don't usually bother to even argue against it anymore, but figured I'd try and just summarize what the actual premise of the argument boils down to and just stating it plainly, because when people actually think about it - it's pretty absurd.
 
Punished Miku said:
I'm just joking around and talking like a customer service android, duh.

My motto is just let people like what they like. It's an infinite hole of paranoid suspicion to criticize people for liking Plague Tale and hating The Last of Us, or whatever comparison people keep inventing. I have varied opinions on even the same IP, let alone completely different games in the same genre. You have to prove someone's a liar about what they like, which isn't really even possible and for what? To argue that they should like something they didn't like? It's just silly and I've seen it happen repeatedly and not just in this thread. I don't usually bother to even argue against it anymore, but figured I'd try and just summarize what the actual premise of the argument boils down to and just stating it plainly, because when people actually think about it - it's pretty absurd.
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People are allowed to like what they like. It's just when they make up a reason why they don't like said game when trying to explain why they don't like it. Like saying I dont like all these specific games because I'm tired of third person cinematic games then turning around and praising another game that's exactly that, like say Jedi: Survivor. You can often see that's not the actual reason they don't like those games.
 
Three said:
People are allowed to like what they like. It's just when they make up a reason why they don't like said game when trying to explain why they don't like it. Like saying I dont like all these specific games because I'm tired of third person cinematic games then turning around and praising another game that's exactly that, like say Jedi: Survivor. You can often see that's not the actual reason they don't like those games.
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I just give people the benefit of the doubt. They may not know the precise reason they didn't like a game. They may think "cinematic" in their head and not really articulate what they're referring to well. Maybe it's actually something less obvious like pacing, or atmosphere. Jedi Survivor is a different game than even Fallen Order, and the differences can be analyzed and may not even be fully understood by the people who played them. Same goes for Breath of the Wild vs. Tears of the Kingdom. Some people like one and not the other. They may even think they hate open world games, and then find one that grabs their attention.

Who cares?
 
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If some of you here really want to retroactively worship a former PS exclusive which became an Xbox late release and Gamepass added title years later, then you ought to check out Grim Fandango Remastered. It's considered one of the greatest games of the now-dead point and click adventure genre.

It was originally released in 1998 for PC and Mac by what was then LucasArts, putting it roughly in the same generation of gaming as Diablo II. Many years later, Sony funded a remaster of the game for creator Tim Schafer's Double Fine Productions that was released in 2015 as a PS console exclusive. (It was also re-released on PC in 2015, and then ported to Switch in 2018.) In 2019, Microsoft acquired Double Fine and in 2020 an Xbox version was released.

So this is basically the entire thread in a nutshell. Classic game is released decades ago, Sony funds a remaster of a classic game and it's PS console exclusive, Microsoft acquires the entire studio and then ports it to Xbox. So go enjoy Grim Fandango Remastered, you fucking green douchebags! It's a classic game which got a 22 years later Xbox port because MS bought the entire studio! And it's actually a real classic and frequently appears in Best Games of All Time listings!
 
Punished Miku said:
I just give people the benefit of the doubt. They may not know the precise reason they didn't like a game. They may think "cinematic" in their head and not really articulate what they're referring to well. Maybe it's actually something less obvious like pacing, or atmosphere. Jedi Survivor is a different game than even Fallen Order, and the differences can be analyzed and may not even be fully understood by the people who played them. Same goes for Breath of the Wild vs. Tears of the Kingdom. Some people like one and not the other. They may even think they hate open world games, and then find one that grabs their attention.

Who cares?
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This isn't giving someone the benefit of the doubt though. This is just saying someone doesn't know how to get their points across properly. Since this is about Matty it's pretty much saying he's not good at his job. I'm not going to say that about Matty because I've heard enough of his videos to see that he does know how to get his points across properly.

As for him looking like a hypocrite considering the state of gaming and all the console war stuff I think the most obvious answer is the best one here. At the end of the day though it's all just speculation and we would have to ask the man himself to really know.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
If some of you here really want to retroactively worship a former PS exclusive which became an Xbox late release and Gamepass added title years later, then you ought to check out Grim Fandango Remastered. It's considered one of the greatest games of the now-dead point and click adventure genre.

It was originally released in 1998 for PC and Mac by what was then LucasArts, putting it roughly in the same generation of gaming as Diablo II. Many years later, Sony funded a remaster of the game for creator Tim Schafer's Double Fine Productions that was released in 2015 as a PS console exclusive. (It was also re-released on PC in 2015, and then ported to Switch in 2018.) In 2019, Microsoft acquired Double Fine and in 2020 an Xbox version was released.

So this is basically the entire thread in a nutshell. Classic game is released decades ago, Sony funds a remaster of a classic game and it's PS console exclusive, Microsoft acquires the entire studio and then ports it to Xbox. So go enjoy Grim Fandango Remastered, you fucking green douchebags! It's a classic game which got a 22 years later Xbox port because MS bought the entire studio! And it's actually a real classic and frequently appears in Best Games of All Time listings!
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It's always been overrated but at least it isn't Full Throttle.

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Unknown Soldier said:
If some of you here really want to retroactively worship a former PS exclusive which became an Xbox late release and Gamepass added title years later, then you ought to check out Grim Fandango Remastered. It's considered one of the greatest games of the now-dead point and click adventure genre.

It was originally released in 1998 for PC and Mac by what was then LucasArts, putting it roughly in the same generation of gaming as Diablo II. Many years later, Sony funded a remaster of the game for creator Tim Schafer's Double Fine Productions that was released in 2015 as a PS console exclusive. (It was also re-released on PC in 2015, and then ported to Switch in 2018.) In 2019, Microsoft acquired Double Fine and in 2020 an Xbox version was released.

So this is basically the entire thread in a nutshell. Classic game is released decades ago, Sony funds a remaster of a classic game and it's PS console exclusive, Microsoft acquires the entire studio and then ports it to Xbox. So go enjoy Grim Fandango Remastered, you fucking green douchebags! It's a classic game which got a 22 years later Xbox port because MS bought the entire studio! And it's actually a real classic and frequently appears in Best Games of All Time listings!
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Holy shit dude. Go touch grass or something.
You're way too worked up over this shit.
 
Expected some healthy posts from the likes of Topher Topher (some early pages are good and healthy discussion content).

But yeah, the whole thread went to a console warring shit again. Time to leave until further news.
 
bender said:
One of the few Lucas Arts games I played during its' heyday. I grew up on Sierra's stable Quest games when they were text driven.
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I wonder who owns the old Sierra catalog today now that you mention it. I think you can pick up a lot of old Sierra titles on GOG, I saw the Phantasmagoria and Gabriel Knight games available to buy there.

These days Disney holds the rights to a lot of the old LucasArts titles since they own Lucasfilm, I know Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis has been available on Steam for quite a long time now for people who want to experience what I still believe to be the only truly good original Indiana Jones game ever made. It fell to Core Design to create Tomb Raider to make a true Indiana Jones video game, and then Naughty Dog many years later with Uncharted to make an Indiana Jones game for the modern age.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
I wonder who owns the old Sierra catalog today now that you mention it. I think you can pick up a lot of old Sierra titles on GOG, I saw the Phantasmagoria and Gabriel Knight games available to buy there.

These days Disney holds the rights to a lot of the old LucasArts titles since they own Lucasfilm, I know Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis has been available on Steam for quite a long time now for people who want to experience what I still believe to be the only truly good original Indiana Jones game ever made. It fell to Core Design to create Tomb Raider to make a true Indiana Jones video game, and then Naughty Dog many years later with Uncharted to make an Indiana Jones game for the modern age.
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The Quest collections are on Steam and GoG.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
I wonder who owns the old Sierra catalog today now that you mention it. I think you can pick up a lot of old Sierra titles on GOG, I saw the Phantasmagoria and Gabriel Knight games available to buy there.

These days Disney holds the rights to a lot of the old LucasArts titles since they own Lucasfilm, I know Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis has been available on Steam for quite a long time now for people who want to experience what I still believe to be the only truly good original Indiana Jones game ever made. It fell to Core Design to create Tomb Raider to make a true Indiana Jones video game, and then Naughty Dog many years later with Uncharted to make an Indiana Jones game for the modern age.
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pretty sure ABK has the Sierra catalog

Sierra Entertainment - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

yep
 
Hero of Spielberg said:
Please give me some rebooted old Sierra classics like Space Quest, Police and Quest for Glory ... but good ones, I don't want any monkey paw reboots like Kings Quest.
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Sounds like the kind of dumb thing Phil Spencer would greenlight.

So you may be in luck!

(I'd probably play them too but MS would spend $100 million for them to flop lol)
 
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Punished Miku said:
I just give people the benefit of the doubt. They may not know the precise reason they didn't like a game. They may think "cinematic" in their head and not really articulate what they're referring to well. Maybe it's actually something less obvious like pacing, or atmosphere. Jedi Survivor is a different game than even Fallen Order, and the differences can be analyzed and may not even be fully understood by the people who played them. Same goes for Breath of the Wild vs. Tears of the Kingdom. Some people like one and not the other. They may even think they hate open world games, and then find one that grabs their attention.

Who cares?
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Benefit of the doubt is great and it's often what I do if it's somebody I don't know well enough. Other times it becomes more apparent what the hidden motive is due to their material or exaggerated preferences but I'm just giving examples as to how some people's hate for games can be baseless and purely hidden console wars too especially if they are unexplained. it often is with many people, that exists and is quite prevalent. As an example I wouldn't give any reviewers at Stevivior or ColtEastwood that luxury.
 
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Three said:
Benefit of the doubt is great and it's often what I do if it's somebody I don't know well enough. Other times it becomes more apparent what the hidden motive is due to their material or exaggerated preferences but I'm just giving examples as to how some people's hate for games can be baseless and purely hidden console wars too especially if they are unexplained. it often is with many people, that exists and is quite prevalent. As an example I wouldn't give any reviewers at Stevivior or ColtEastwood that luxury.
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Yup. No doubt if the game was day 1 GamePass exclusive they'd be singing the high praises. The fact that it's PS5 exclusive only is another mark against it. The guy listed lots of complaints that are WORSE in games like Persona...which is why I brought it up to begin with

I actually don't mind Matty at all, compared to CoaltShillwood he's an absolute saint, but his bias still comes through when he makes claims like all Sony exclusives are the same and aren't for him and he wants them to go back making "unique" games like they "used to"
 
ShaiKhulud1989 said:
Expected some healthy posts from the likes of Topher Topher (some early pages are good and healthy discussion content).

But yeah, the whole thread went to a console warring shit again. Time to leave until further news.
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Well, it's pretty much a done deal, so there isn't going to be any 'new' news. People just seem to be hanging out in this thread until the whole thing wraps up.
 
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