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Microsoft buying Nokia Devices and Services
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Scratch the asia part, they would have made a killing in Europe too!
As it is, Nokia phones are relegated to the "I got a phone for free" or the "don't care about apps" market :/
Can't say I'll miss them since I'm never getting back in a walled garden again.
Even Ballmer is saying Elop "Has gone from an external candidate [For CEO] to an internal one" so really seems like everyone will be reporting to spymaster general before long.
Definitely reeks of a rushed deal. I'm not sure if the Nokia brand or the Lumia brand is more popular, but I would suggest it would be the Nokia branding, especially in the South Asian countries.
Oh and Elop as a possible candidate for CEO, man would that be a bad world. Julie Larson-Green must feel threatened.
Canis lupus
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this isn't a good move to make.
nokia were expanding their range of windows phone devices with lots of different sizes etc. microsoft are pursuing the apple model of limited devices trying to dictate what the public want (surface rt/pro gen 2 being move of the same but better specs rather than, say, a smaller tablet instead).
nokia were expanding their range of windows phone devices with lots of different sizes etc. microsoft are pursuing the apple model of limited devices trying to dictate what the public want (surface rt/pro gen 2 being move of the same but better specs rather than, say, a smaller tablet instead).
Rocket Scientist
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Wow, that's cheap.
Microsoft won't inhibit that happening.
Dude was sent in to destroy Nokia
thats depressing. Shit on symbian as much as you like, but Belle was pretty nice, and could have ridden the wave of touchscreen devices quite well, while transitioning in a controlled way towards meego (or android, whatever). That massive change really wasn't necessary
I ditched Nokia after the burning memo thingy.
You dont just kill a mobile os without a plan in place, and that plan isnt 'just buy a new phone'.
Its like Apple deciding iphone 6 wont let people use their old apps, or itunes or what not. If you have an iphone 5, you kind of start looking for alternative and stop inveting in the platform because you know its a dead end.
And I liked my N8. But instead of moving consumers onto another platform slowly, ie meego, and not slowly, but just not saying 'symbian is dead, you are now using a dead platform'... its... asking for trouble.
It was stupid.
Nokia could have turned it around, it had no reason to bet it all on windows phone. It was just stupid, you dont bet it all on an outside shot when there are many other, extremely viable options out there, that dont include shitting on your current customers.
You dont just kill a mobile os without a plan in place, and that plan isnt 'just buy a new phone'.
Its like Apple deciding iphone 6 wont let people use their old apps, or itunes or what not. If you have an iphone 5, you kind of start looking for alternative and stop inveting in the platform because you know its a dead end.
And I liked my N8. But instead of moving consumers onto another platform slowly, ie meego, and not slowly, but just not saying 'symbian is dead, you are now using a dead platform'... its... asking for trouble.
It was stupid.
Nokia could have turned it around, it had no reason to bet it all on windows phone. It was just stupid, you dont bet it all on an outside shot when there are many other, extremely viable options out there, that dont include shitting on your current customers.
Seems like a big miss for Nokia and Microsoft. However, they do now have an existing design and have the Microsoft Services division resources and their human capital to help them out now.
But a definite loss of human entrepreneurship there.
Canis lupus
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Exactly, Nokia would be in a better position had they continued to use symbian. Note how Nokia's downfall starts with the sudden random transition to Windows.
Elop was a Microsoft guy prior to being Nokia's CEO and is now back at mother base, mission accomplished.
They weren't betting it all, that graph is ridiculous. Symbian devices are still be sold, they launched asha, they still sell 60million dumb phones a year, maps was making money the whole time as was the networking side. Symbian was never going to recover against Android and iOS, ploughing more money into it just to inflate the market share numbers wouldn't have made any more sense than what they did.
The capacity was there in the rest of the company to hit the restart button on smartphones, they needed to do it no matter what OS they were going to.
They were betting it all, they said symbian was for their dumb phones from then on essentially. They didnt gor for Android and Meego and Windows phone, they bet it all on windows phone, the small os with next to no market share.
Moving from symbian to meego, and bringing your customers with you. They didnt go for that, they went for windows phone and left their customers behind, and when they upgraded? They all ditched their nokia phones, because they werent, at all, invested in the platform, because they decided the platform was dead.
They weren't helped by MSFT bascially saying "Fuck you, we're restarting from scratch" to any of the poor souls that bought Nokia WP7 devices.
As far as support goes, Nokia ditching Symbian is the beginning of the end, MSFT fucked their customers even more but clearly it all lead to where we are today.
That too.
First gen windows phones from Nokia? Screw them over too, cant upgrade to the next os cause Microsoft decided to.
Doesnt exactly build customer loyalty or confidence.
Its depressing cause Nokia make such good phones. But under microsoft? With their quality control? Haha.
First gen windows phones from Nokia? Screw them over too, cant upgrade to the next os cause Microsoft decided to.
Doesnt exactly build customer loyalty or confidence.
Its depressing cause Nokia make such good phones. But under microsoft? With their quality control? Haha.
tycoonheart
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Wow, just heard the news. So glad I held on to my Nokia shares.
Seriously even MSFT lost partners over that dumb move!
Look up the list of devices on WP7 and WP8!
WP8 is basically Nokia with a bit of Htc.
Not even partners want to deal with MSFT BS anymore and evidently customers and developpers (who were not that important before) all left for greener pastures.
Nokia should have followed suit and provide an incentive to customers to keep buying from them instead of sending them over to Apple, Samsung & Co.
This move was expected from Day One of the partnership.....my Lumia phones are amazing due to build quality / Nokia Software but the app ecosystem of Windows Phone is still a problem.
I really really hope it benefits the platform...too bad Nokia's Lead Designer is leaving in November.
I really really hope it benefits the platform...too bad Nokia's Lead Designer is leaving in November.
Lawwwl. Microsoft. "Integrate". Good luck with that.
And yeah, I know that they're talking about vertical integration along smartphone development, production, and management, and not the kind of efficient horizontal integration that Microsoft has failed to ever achieve across Windows, Xbox, Zune, GFWL, and whatever other monstrosities I've suppressed from my memory, but I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that this still ends in an unfocused clusterfuck.
Captain Tuttle
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That's good to know, I should stop by the Windows phone OT
TheLaughingStock
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Why should a product line be dedicated to x86 if you're not confident those tablets will be competitive against ARM in the future? Why does the market need a mobile OS that few care about scaled up for larger displays? iPads, Galaxy Tabs, and Nexus 7s are already available. Plus, years of work was put into porting Windows to ARM. If there were second thoughts, then that should've been hedged years ago as a plan B, C, D, etc.
Like that youtube app that youtube keep blocking because MSFT can't be arsed to provide an app that work with the ToS of youtube?
they're only buying them for the hardware side, if there are any OS people left after Elop dumped symbian and all the meego people left for Jolla i imagine they'll be let go or offered positions in other departments
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NinjaFridge
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When they say 'in cash', what does that actually mean? The money is transferred from one account to another? I'm assuming Microsoft don't turn up with dozens of sports bags full of cash.
Tenacious-V
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Dude was sent in to destroy Nokia
Here's Nokia before Elop came in. They were already destroyed, in the shitter and nothing but a shadow of their former glory. There was no getting back from the iPhone effect.
The best YouTube apps on WP are not created by MS and as such are not blocked by Google.
Phat Michael
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You think google would sell android or were you just thinking out loud?
Microsoft already makes a bunch of money from android in patent licensing agreements, not that Google would sell.
Face it Tiger..
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RIP the chance of a Nokia android phone 
Share value isn't that indicative of much.Here's Nokia before Elop came in. They were already destroyed, in the shitter and nothing but a shadow of their former glory. There was no getting back from the iPhone effect.
I think he meant shoulda bought Google.
Here's Nokia before Elop came in. They were already destroyed, in the shitter and nothing but a shadow of their former glory. There was no getting back from the iPhone effect.
Tell that to Samsung.
Seriously they were in the shitter but that clearly didn't help at all.
A man dying of cancer getting amputated a healthy arm isn't going to thank the butcher even if he was to die the next day.
Even RIM handled that transition better.
And by buying android I think he mean Nokia should have made Android devices.
Seriously with the Lumia line they probably would have fared way better.
I just shivered a little bit. I'd be devastated if Microsoft got their apocalypse-inducing hands on Android.
Phat Michael
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I don't think google would sell or that MS could afford to buy google.
BlueTsunami
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Hopefully this will mean the flagship Nokia windows phone come to ALL carriers at launch. Its the reason I went with an 8X over 920 on TMobile
Or more likely nothing change on that front...
Would be extremely expensive, plus I don't think Google would even allow it . A lot of sunk costs in their OS they would have to incur as well. I hope you were sarcastic.
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