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[Mael]

The offline bit wasn't disregarded, as soon as Google asked for it to be removed it was done so. As for the adverts it's hard to apply the correct ones if Google is blocking Microsoft from serving the correct ones. Google are still getting ad revenue from the ads Microsoft has implemented themselves with the metadata they can get access to. Microsoft seem more than willing to get this sorted but Google are the ones here being difficult.

It was disregarded, it's part of the Term Youtube publish , if someone at MSFT included it in the app someone was sleeping at the wheel and thinking they could get away with it.
It's business, Apple was similarly dickish to Google about Maps (heck look at how MSFT treats its partners to see dickish), it's not uncommon and end users can still access the service in the end.

No doubt but without the official one working then users have to find alternatives such as MetroTube and thus Google lose out on ad revenue.

Google probably earn more money on customers getting fed up with WP8 environments than some trickles ad revenues from people with WP8 devices.

 

[Raistlin]

Motorola/Google.

'basically no'

 

[Junior Mint]

Just saw the leaked screenshot of the next WP update and LOLLLLL

Have never seen a company completely destroy their own design language so quickly. Zune was the pinnacle of Metro design.

 

[Basileus777]

To be fair, there's basically no American ones either.

You mean other than Apple, Google, and Microsoft?

 

[kehs]

Just saw the leaked screenshot of the next WP update and LOLLLLL



Have never seen a company completely destroy their own design language so quickly. Zune was the pinnacle of Metro design.

what the hell

 

[kharma45]

Just saw the leaked screenshot of the next WP update and LOLLLLL

Have never seen a company completely destroy their own design language so quickly. Zune was the pinnacle of Metro design.

Looks a mess but on a 6" device it might be a bit better. The Start screen is as messy or as clean as the user wants it at the end of the day.

Google probably earn more money on customers getting fed up with WP8 environments than some trickles ad revenues from people with WP8 devices.

Of course whilst Windows Phone isn't anywhere near the largest mobile OS it still has more handsets out there than there are Vita's and Wii U's to bring money in through ads. Google will of course want people using Android but I don't see the need for them to block their services on other platforms other than to be dicks about it to be frank.

 

[FlyingTeacup]

RIP Nokia.

 

[Yamauchi]

To be fair, there's basically no American ones either.

If we are talking strictly 'hardware', the major ones would be:

Intel
Qualcomm
Texas Instruments
AMD (failing)
Google - Motorola
HP
Dell
Apple

 

[Mael]

Of course whilst Windows Phone isn't anywhere near the largest mobile OS it still has more handsets out there than there are Vita's and Wii U's to bring money in through ads. Google will of course want people using Android but I don't see the need for them to block their services on other platforms other than to be dicks about it to be frank.

Welcome to the business world.
Look up the history of all major software players it's full of such foolish examples, MSFT most of all.
Heck these idiots thoughts it'd be a good idea the withhold their last update to the their OS so that devs could tweek their software and be sure they'd be compatible day1.
Excuse me if I don' t cry a river for this (as I didn't when Apple made its best to block Google's stuffs).

 

[ThatObviousUser]

'basically no'

Basically, yes.

If we are talking strictly 'hardware', the major ones would be:

Intel
Qualcomm
Texas Instruments
AMD (failing)
Google - Motorola
HP
Dell
Apple

Also these. I was trying to remember HP and Dell.

 

[Shambles]

Dude was sent in to destroy Nokia

Wow, that is some conniving stuff.

 

[Raistlin]

Basically, yes.

A longer view is required

I'm talking relatively

 

[Klocker]

Nokia stock up 30%

 

[ThatObviousUser]

A longer view is required

I'm talking relatively

I don't know what that means.

 

[avaya]

Microsoft has lost more in market cap (~10.5bn EUR) than Nokia has gained in market cap (~4.5bn EUR) since the announcement.

5bn EUR value destruction.

 

[Black-Box]

Just saw the leaked screenshot of the next WP update and LOLLLLL



Have never seen a company completely destroy their own design language so quickly. Zune was the pinnacle of Metro design.

That is for a phablet not the next WP update.

 

[Renji_11]

If we are talking strictly 'hardware', the major ones would be:

Intel
Qualcomm
Texas Instruments
AMD (failing)
Google - Motorola
HP
Dell
Apple

Don't forget big blue IBM.

 

[Flai]

Just saw the leaked screenshot of the next WP update and LOLLLLL



Have never seen a company completely destroy their own design language so quickly. Zune was the pinnacle of Metro design.

That's for 5"-6" phablets. In those, three columns doesn't look bad at all. Two columns would probably look a lot worse to be honest.

 

[Raistlin]

I don't know what that means.

How old are you?

 

[Irminsul]

That's for 5"-6" phablets. In those, three columns doesn't look bad at all. Two columns would probably look a lot worse to be honest.

It looks horrible on my PC monitor, which probably has a lower PPI count than the phablet. So it will only look worse there.

 

[tfur]

So predictable:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25825468&postcount=210

This could be the true beginning of the end of Nokia.

If this happens: I would not be surprised if in less than 3 years this new CEO steps down, Nokia stock plummets, and Microsoft and others end up bidding on Nokia for patents.

Microsoft deals seem to more often end up destroying companies, rather than boosting companies.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25857718&postcount=366

So what are the predictions of what this will be?

1) Nokia/Microsoft "license" agreement for Intellectual Property exchange? Microsoft always does this first. They lean on a company, offer $ for IP, assimilate (or destroy) IP while keeping the company on the license/investment teet, then either collect pieces or destroy pieces.

Since Microsoft really needs Nokia at this point, they will probably make this a hardware exclusive deal. For this to be at all useful to either company, they will need to go all in and make this a hardware/software union. If this does not happen, then Microsoft is simply going for destruction/assimilation/patent portfolio. Whatever the case, Microsoft is looking to take IP.

2) Exclusivity. Microsoft lives by exclusivity agreements. I am surprised there has not been much of that in smartphone area, but I would not be surprised if that starts happening for applications and games.

Not exactly right, but it's close enough.

It really is messed up, because this is pretty much has been a consistent track record for Microsoft for decades. Nokia's board knew this(they had to right?), but no doubt they are getting golden parachutes etc.

The brain drain will continue from Nokia. The desire for people to jump ship in the wake of MS acquisitions is always huge.

In any case, the problem with Microsoft, is that they have NO other choice.
Microsoft is, and will continue to be, marginalized more and more every day.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

How old are you?

My age has nothing to do with my inability to decipher your false, cryptic posts.

It would be like me asking, "What drugs were you on when you posted this?"

 

[Synth]

A longer view is required

I'm talking relatively

I don't know what that means.

Translation: There's basically none compared to how many there used to be.

(I think... because it actually isn't very clear at all)

 

[Raistlin]

Translation: There's basically none compared to how many there used to be.

(I think... because it actually isn't very clear at all)

yes, this

 

[Flai]

It looks horrible on my PC monitor, which probably has a lower PPI count than the phablet. So it will only look worse there.

It looks good on the phablet, trust me

 

[BlastProcessing]

Just saw the leaked screenshot of the next WP update and LOLLLLL



Have never seen a company completely destroy their own design language so quickly. Zune was the pinnacle of Metro design.

I really liked Metro, but that is the UI version of a strip mall.

 

[TheOrangeKid007]

Well I will never get my dream of a Nexus phone manufactured by Nokia

 

[dLMN8R]

Wow, that is some conniving stuff.

Except for the fact that it's over a year out of date with wildly inaccurate future predictions.

Nokia is coming close to selling as many Lumias each quarter as every Android manufacturer (except Samsung) is selling total smartphones.

 

[QaaQer]

Well one of the reasons why Samsung was able to get that big is pretty much that South Korean goverment has backed them in every way possible. By some shady ways too...Some politicians say Samsung no longer merely powers the country but overpowers it, wielding influence that nearly matches that of the government.

There is oppositio to the Chaebols and Korea has a healthy democracy, its not like they are the corporate equivalent of Putin and his mafioso in Russia.

And I always laugh when people say free trade is the only way to make a poor country rich. No, free trade is the only way to ensure a poor country stays poor, see China, Japan, & Singapore as well as Korea for the way to get wealthy.

 

[boingball]

Read that Elop might become the successor to Ballmer. That would be great, was afraid that MS would find a competent manager. Ballmer was of course a disaster as CEO, but Elop outshines him. He is somewhere in between Apotheker and Steve (and of course Leo is so bad, that he might last only a couple of months before a board gets to their senses).

Elop is of course elated to go back to MS, I wonder what the 33k people moved with him are thinking.

Perhaps Elop's first act as head of MS device division head is to write a letter that Xbox is a burning oil platform and the Xbox division needs to jump into the stormy waters, cancelling the Xbox One and getting the Xbox game division to make mobile games for Win 8 phones.

 

[tino]

Read that Elop might become the successor to Ballmer. That would be great, was afraid that MS would find a competent manager. Ballmer was of course a disaster as CEO, but Elop outshines him. He is somewhere in between Apotheker and Steve (and of course Leo is so bad, that he might last only a couple of months before a board gets to their senses).

Elop is of course elated to go back to MS, I wonder what the 33k people moved with him are thinking.

Perhaps Elop's first act as head of MS device division head is to write a letter that Xbox is a burning oil platform and the Xbox division needs to jump into the stormy waters, cancelling the Xbox One and getting the Xbox game division to make mobile games for Win 8 phones.

If you are a MS hater than Elop indeed is a great choice.

 

[tino]

There is oppositio to the Chaebols and Korea has a healthy democracy, its not like they are the corporate equivalent of Putin and his mafioso in Russia.

And I always laugh when people say free trade is the only way to make a poor country rich. No, free trade is the only way to ensure a poor country stays poor, see China, Japan, & Singapore as well as Korea for the way to get wealthy.

Both South Korea and China are participates of State Capitalism. They use the state power to backup the "flagship" corporations to ensure competitive advantage. Japan has just waken up and start manipulating currency too.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

"You have a busy life, and we believe this should be reflected on your phone. What's going on tomorrow? Lots of shit, from the looks of it. Where? Who the fuck knows. But one thing is for sure, with Microsoft's Lots of Tiles™ Technology, you won't ever be without some vague-looking square to jab at while you try to figure it out."

 

[Barbacoatl]

Trying to use a phone, not play Simon here.

And eh, if it serves well the Lumia brand, bring it. Not a lot of faith with key people leaving, 'tho.

 

[Raistlin]

My age has nothing to do with my inability to decipher your false, cryptic posts.

It would be like me asking, "What drugs were you on when you posted this?"

I have the dumb today

 

[Flatline]

"You have a busy life, and we believe this should be reflected on your phone. What's going on tomorrow? Lots of shit, from the looks of it. Where? Who the fuck knows. But one thing is for sure, with Microsoft's Lots of Tiles™ Technology, you won't ever be without some vague-looking square to jab at while you try to figure it out."

Funny thing is many of the tiles look very similar. What's more productive than looking at your fucking screen for 10 seconds trying to figure out which tile to choose?

 

[WorldStar]

I love my Nokia Lumia 928.

 

[BlastProcessing]

"You have a busy life, and we believe this should be reflected on your phone. What's going on tomorrow? Lots of shit, from the looks of it. Where? Who the fuck knows. But one thing is for sure, with Microsoft's Lots of Tiles™ Technology, you won't ever be without some vague-looking square to jab at while you try to figure it out."

=

 

[f0lken]

Funny thing is many of the tiles look very similar. What's more productive than looking at your fucking screen for 10 seconds trying to figure out which tile to choose?

Luckily you can pin only the things you want on the main screen. And its not like you don't know what kind of apps you have downloaded

 

[Guevara]

=

ha ha wow.

 

[Hesemonni]

Gotta love @KazHiraiCEO

 

[LCfiner]

jeesh that is way too busy.

I wonder if it’ll ship with all those 1x1 tiles turned on? because I think Metro looks way better when it’s not so busy and more uniform. the screen above is chaotic. it’d be better if the default install had just 2 and 4 wide squares. let users discover the clutter of 1 wide squares on their own…

As for the merger, I guess MS really wants to be Apple. own the whole widget. the only two thoughts I can think of is

1) I hope they really run with the union of hardware and software with this merger. make the lumia stand out from the crowd.

2) is any OEM gonna buy windows phone licences now? they gotta compete against a more integrated lumia experience and MS marketing of their own devices. it’s not like WP is a huge success now that OEMs can bank on for sales.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

Funny thing is many of the tiles look very similar. What's more productive than looking at your fucking screen for 10 seconds trying to figure out which tile to choose?

My favorite part is that the car icon looks like it's saying "What the fuck am I doing here?"

 

[mikeGFG]

Just saw the leaked screenshot of the next WP update and LOLLLLL



Have never seen a company completely destroy their own design language so quickly. Zune was the pinnacle of Metro design.

This cant be real..

 

[LCfiner]

My personal fave is the quad purple icons signifying different things to do with pictures or kites or screens. no fucking clue what they all mean. all very similar, all grouped together.

it’s like going back to old windows toolbars with tiny, barely comprehensible 16 x 16 pixel icons all crowded together and you can’t tell what each one is unless you get a tooltip hovering over it.

 

[ElNino]

My personal fave is the quad purple icons signifying different things to do with pictures or kites or screens. no fucking clue what they all mean. all very similar, all grouped together.

it’s like going back to old windows toolbars with tiny, barely comprehensible 16 x 16 pixel icons all crowded together and you can’t tell what each one is unless you get a tooltip hovering over it.

Well, seeing as you would only pin the tiles to the home screen that you want then you should know what those apps are (three of which are Photo Beamer, Creative Studio and Panorama).

 

[SCHUEY F1]

Well, seeing as you would only pin the tiles to the home screen that you want then you should know what those apps are (three of which are Photo Beamer, Creative Studio and Panorama).

Exactly....

 

[Penguins&PolarBears]

Nokia is coming close to selling as many Lumias each quarter as every Android manufacturer (except Samsung) is selling total smartphones.

Heh it almost looks like cellphone reception bars.


Anyone remember this?

I thought it looked pretty good. Big tiles are better though on a Phablet.

Hopefully WP8.1 has options for group titles and adds back some negative space that was important to the original design of Metro.

 

[jtb]

It's hilarious how Microsoft has completely destroyed Metro during the process of applying it to every corner of their business.

 

[juliushandle]

jeesh that is way too busy.

I wonder if it’ll ship with all those 1x1 tiles turned on? because I think Metro looks way better when it’s not so busy and more uniform. the screen above is chaotic. it’d be better if the default install had just 2 and 4 wide squares. let users discover the clutter of 1 wide squares on their own…

As for the merger, I guess MS really wants to be Apple. own the whole widget. the only two thoughts I can think of is

1) I hope they really run with the union of hardware and software with this merger. make the lumia stand out from the crowd.

2) is any OEM gonna buy windows phone licences now? they gotta compete against a more integrated lumia experience and MS marketing of their own devices. it’s not like WP is a huge success now that OEMs can bank on for sales.

1) Lumia brand is doing that now and will continue.

2) From what I read, MS is going to license from Nokia. Hopefully this means integrating their suite of services into the OS giving all OEM's all of Nokia's "apps."