And from my understanding, Android is a drain on Google profits but Microsoft actually makes money from it?
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And from my understanding, Android is a drain on Google profits but Microsoft actually makes money from it?
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Doesn't Microsoft mostly get money from the Android hardware manufacturers? I'm not quite sure about that, but I once read they actually don't get money from Sony because Sony has enough own patents to fight back should Microsoft want money from them. But it could also be that Google is paying something in addition.
Which once more underlines how weird this patent system is.
google isn't paying anything to microsoft for android because they don't sell their own devices directly, the patent trolling hits the OEMs
i very much doubt android is a money sink for them
Well I've definitely seen a lot of sources about MS supposedly standing to make billions from Android.
On top of that I'm pretty sure the business is a not a money sink considering the ad revenue Android brings.
Fair enough, I don't know enough about it to pass certain judgement, I have seen stories about Android not making google enough/ money though.
http://gigaom.com/2012/04/01/why-google-isnt-worried-about-androids-revenue/
It doesn't matter anyway as it'll never happen!
Well considering how much money their ad business is making it cen be argued that Android is not making them enough money.
MSFT certainly is known for patent trolling so I can totally see them making more money from Android (or even iOS or any Linux distro) than their whole doomed endeavour ever will.
Elfforkusu
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All that really needs to be said. Quoting share price is a convenient way to tell a narrative. (nokia was doomed before Elop arrived!)Dude was sent in to destroy Nokia
Market share tells a different story. The "Elop effect" on the graph corresponds to that "burning platform" memo, where Elop basically said "don't buy our phones, they suck, come back in 6 months when we have windows phones".
The befuddling thing was always that the Nokia board went along with all of this. That's why I'd expect a criminal investigation sooner rather than later...
zomgbbqftw
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Android was an external company bought by Google, at the time there was speculation that Nokia would buy them to lead the next stage of their smartphone push.
sixteen-bit
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N-Gage One pls.
KillerMan91
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Dude was sent in to destroy Nokia
As a Finn it has been depressing to watch Nokia destroying itself and now this.... end of era here in Finland.
zomgbbqftw
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Look up Gerald Ratner.
Captain Tuttle
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Skype is everywhere though, it has a much larger reach.
It's our own fault.
It's just so weird basically being a wasteland when it comes to hardware or even software start-ups in the world. Looking at how well Asia and America can support their technology companies.
zomgbbqftw
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Not really. Though in reality Microsoft's new handset division is based in Finland and Sony Mobile is based in the UK and Sweden. The companies may be nominally American and Japanese, but most of the real work for them will not be done in their home nations.
Plus there are a bunch of start ups as well that are looking to capitalise on the situation with HTC and Nokia being so weak right now, one of them could make it big if they strike it lucky.
Afro Thunder
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It´s still my only phone nowadays. Thinking about getting a Lumia. Amazing interface.
KillerMan91
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Well one of the reasons why Samsung was able to get that big is pretty much that South Korean goverment has backed them in every way possible. By some shady ways too...Some politicians say Samsung no longer merely powers the country but overpowers it, wielding influence that nearly matches that of the government.
Not sure on this, would have to read into it.
Yeah call by. We're a cynical but approachable bunch.
It's not Microsoft that is the problem, it's Google. They've been trying to work with them on it but Google don't seem to be interested in making it easy. Even then MyTube and MetroTube are arguably still better than any official client anyway.
American PC manufacturers are not doing so well either. Eventually HP and Dell will merge into one.
MS seems to have done rather well here. They paid considerably less for Nokia than Google did for Motorola. Good for them.
However, if they want to grow market share, they will need a more intuitive interface than Metro. Whether you like WP8 or not, at first glance it looks cluttered, inefficient, and confusing. You could argue that it's actually nice once you start using it, but having to repeatedly convince people to try it isn't going to grow your market too quickly. Maybe the Nokia staff previously working on other operating systems can help with that.
However, if they want to grow market share, they will need a more intuitive interface than Metro. Whether you like WP8 or not, at first glance it looks cluttered, inefficient, and confusing. You could argue that it's actually nice once you start using it, but having to repeatedly convince people to try it isn't going to grow your market too quickly. Maybe the Nokia staff previously working on other operating systems can help with that.
Going by what the media reported, MSFT want to provide a specific service with the app that is against Youtube ('s API) ToS, either MSFT comply or they can provide a Dailymotion/whatever app instead.
zomgbbqftw
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Google got a lot more for their money (they own all of Motorola's mobility's patents, MS have a ten year licence to Nokia's). They also sold Motorola's set top box division for $2.4bn, plus Moto was threatening to sue a bunch of Android OEMs and piss everyone off, which a lot of people think was the real motivation behind Google's purchase, to keep their OEM partners happy.
What about Ericsson? They mainly make telecom equipment and not consumer goods though.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
It's a pretty scandalous narrative to say the least. If there was funny business going on, I'm not sure MS will be able to recover from the fallout.
zomgbbqftw
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Well when it comes to equipment and infrastructure Europe is still the global leader, Nokia Siemens Network and Ericsson are European, and the 4G standard was born in Europe, while the 5G planning has already started in the UK and other major European nations who will collaborate to force a standard for the single market (which the rest of the world will be forced to adopt like they did with GSM).
Elfforkusu
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Good call.
The fact that Elop is being rewarded for what would under normal circumstances be considered gross incompetence is a fairly good indication that he was just following the mothership's orders.
They had done yes, it allowed them to cache videos offline. Google didn't want that so Microsoft removed it. Then Google wasn't happy about no adverts in the app so Microsoft pulled it for a while. It's now back with adverts but Google still aren't happy as the ads aren't being served as they want but Microsoft cannot offer them as Google don't allow them access to the correct API. Now Google also wants the app made in HTML5 which is totally different from every other YouTube app out there from Android to even stuff like the Vita and Wii U. It's just Google throwing road blocks up in Microsoft's way for no reason. There is zero need for the app to be HTML5 based.
Even then they're only targeting the Microsoft made app and not ones like MetroTube or MyTube on WP, both of which have no adverts and allow the offline storage of videos.
I wouldn't be surprise if this is deal is horrible for Microsoft. Because of Microsoft's failure to expand the WP brand beyond the Lumia, Nokia have a bigger leverage with Microsoft than Motorola or Samsung had with Google. As horrible as it's doing, without Lumia, there is no Windows Phone.
lol
I can't talk about the HTML5 issues (god knows that shit is bothersome enough when used with the browser -_-'), but the rest is clearly similar to they usually do.
MSFT disregarded the offline video part and the advert issue which is clearly reason enough to have more a strained relationship between MSFT and youtube (because really that's the youtube subsidiary here).
Still as you said users can use 3rd parties so it's not like it's a big deal anyway.
If the ToS changed, well it can change and they need to apply themselves, it's no less arbitrary than Apple's handling of the ITMS.
Lol yeah.
Though in reading some of the analysis ... it seems MS did try to buy Nokia previously and for whatever reason it didn't happen. Wasn't aware of that when I made the statement.
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What? I never heard this.
The offline bit wasn't disregarded, as soon as Google asked for it to be removed it was done so. As for the adverts it's hard to apply the correct ones if Google is blocking Microsoft from serving the correct ones. Google are still getting ad revenue from the ads Microsoft has implemented themselves with the metadata they can get access to. Microsoft seem more than willing to get this sorted but Google are the ones here being difficult.
To be fair, there's basically no American ones either.
So the question is ... how long before Asha is phased out?
Then again, with Nokia (MS) able to produce the 520/521 so cheaply ... I guess there's no real point in offering a feature phone?
Then again, with Nokia (MS) able to produce the 520/521 so cheaply ... I guess there's no real point in offering a feature phone?
yeah :\
I can't imagine it being around too long, MS wants to make WP available on even cheaper devices than the 520. And hell, you can get it in the UK at present for £60.
ThatObviousUser
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Motorola/Google.
Guess which 3rd party app is going to get the most notice... "metrotube" by lazywormapps or "YouTube" by Microsoft.
I'll give ya 3 guesses.
I don't see how you can say Google got a lot more for their $12.5 Billion purchase. The patents have not helped Motorola at all. In fact has Motorola had a profitable quarter since the purchase?
No doubt but without the official one working then users have to find alternatives such as MetroTube and thus Google lose out on ad revenue. Of course whilst Windows Phone isn't anywhere near the largest mobile OS it still has more handsets out there than there are Vita's and Wii U's to bring money in through ads.
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