This. There's no way Apple would be able to convince people to keep upgrading iPads if the latest one wasn't backwards compatible with the entire history of App Store software.
Microsoft considering adding emulated 360 backwards compatibility to Xbox One
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This. There's no way Apple would be able to convince people to keep upgrading iPads if the latest one wasn't backwards compatible with the entire history of App Store software.
Beer Monkey
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The X360 is one of the most successful consoles ever and with a crazy deep library and with lots of blockbuster exclusives and a huge digital-only library (with dozens and dozens of exclusives).
I'd say this could be a game-changer (in that it would be a MAJOR selling point, I'm not saying they would best PS4) if they could pull this off by the holidays.
I do NOT expect it to happen.
I'd say this could be a game-changer (in that it would be a MAJOR selling point, I'm not saying they would best PS4) if they could pull this off by the holidays.
I do NOT expect it to happen.
Omnii-chan
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Sounds like they will only do it if the rumors about Sony doing it are true.
It would be nice being able to take my 360 out of my cabinet to have some room and just have the X1 there for everything.
Ironically, then it would be my "all in one" Xbox.
It would be nice being able to take my 360 out of my cabinet to have some room and just have the X1 there for everything.
Ironically, then it would be my "all in one" Xbox.
It would, except sadly, not all of them are region free on even 360 itself.
I think Al is downplaying Microsoft's ability to stream games through the cloud. One of the Xone's selling points is the cloud. Plus, Microsoft is focused on cloud services using their own platform.Y'all can't tell me that Microsoft isn't cooking something to counter PS Now.
The fact Big M is considering backwards compatibility is a win for consumers.
The fact Big M is considering backwards compatibility is a win for consumers.
K
kittens
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That'd really help me justify a purchase.
Beer Monkey
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How is OG Xbox emulation on PCs compared to the 360 OG Xbox emulation?
Wolfe
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Same reason NASA is currently considering going to Mars instead of "just doing it". Shit isn't exactly easy and takes tons of effort. Emulators don't write themselves, you know
Yet Nintendo has no problem making it happen generation after generation. Also given MS's paltry lineup of BC titles for Xbox to 360 I don't really care anymore. Disappointed Sony dropped the ball on this with the PS3 given that they had it on the PS2, then again they're even charging for online play now so whatevs.
Yes MS and Sony are making me cynical towards them
If they do end up doing this though then good on them, the more shit they do to get in their customers good graces the better.
Edit: Just to be clear I admit I'm basically talking out of my ass on this matter.
He's right. It takes much more powerful hardware to emulate games from a past console system perfectly on PC. And it would also take much more powerful hardware on a console to have perfectly emulated BC, too.
That's why Sony had to resort to having a Emotion Engine+Graphics Synthesizer chip inside early PS3 models for perfect PS2 BC, because PS3 itself wasn't very powerful enough to emulate PS2 games perfectly. Now that PS4 is here, it's more than powerful enough to emulate PS1/PS2 games properly without needing any chips at all. PS3 BC on the other hand, would be next to impossible to emulate on the PS4 as Cell Architecture is very difficult to recreate.
They never really tried to emulate Original Xbox on PC you find halo that's about it.
It is a hell of alot easer to emulate 600mhz Pentem3 Xbox on 3.2ghz Tricore 360 than 360 on 1.7ghz Jaguar XB1
Comfort, optimism and confidence. Or COC.
Is it? I thought the bigger the instruction set the harder it was to emulate?
soxinthebox
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Emulated COD Ghosts at 1080p would be pretty sweet
what about Kindness?
BrokenSymmetry
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For me, lack of BC is a huge flaw in the gaming console business. This causes every generation to start with 2 lean years of few games, followed by 3-5 years of lots of games on old hardware. I'd much rather see an iPad-like yearly hardware release with guaranteed BC.
Laws of PPC to x86-64 emulation don't change.
It's not impossible, but it would require a VERY complex emulator.
Microsoft's advantage in this, of course, is that unlike everyone else they have access to the source code of the directX APIs, both of x360\xbone\PC.
Still: remember that. If it was possible to make a x360->one emulator, it'd also be possible to make x360 -> pc emulators, or one -> pc emulators quite soon, making porting across xbox and pc completely effortless.
Since, to my knowledge, xbox <-> pc ports aren't effortless, writing that emulator is probably more of an effort than doing the x360->pc port of ALL ports that have happened until now.
If the effort is done, i suppose it will be more of a case of having source code for everything and being able to re-compile, games included - not just inserting x360 disks.
(Unless nigh-all the calls of x360 games pass through directX APIs, which is probably more easily ported, of course. I somehow doubt that, though.)
Because like Sony having a hard time with properly emulating PS2 games on the PS3, the Xbox 360 wasn't much more powerful than the Original Xbox to have perfect emulation with Original Xbox games. It'll be even harder for them to perfectly emulate Xbox 360 games on Xbox One as well, due to that same reason.
Vinterbird
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Personally I hope they focus their resources elsewhere first.
If xbone was bc from the get go allowing me to play my 360 discs and use my dlc, I would have one already and that would be my chosen system most likely for this generation.
Since it isn't, it's essentially a new platform and why I'm most likely going to get a ps4 instead at some stage.
If they can enable bc on the xbone with 360 discs and xbla titles including the ability to use dlc from the 360 I will purchase one for sure.
Since it isn't, it's essentially a new platform and why I'm most likely going to get a ps4 instead at some stage.
If they can enable bc on the xbone with 360 discs and xbla titles including the ability to use dlc from the 360 I will purchase one for sure.
Some poor Microsoft developer who has mastered the craft of emulating hardware with software sheds a single tear as his manger reads your post and puts him to work on controller firmware updates.
CaptainSlow
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I would LOVE to see this happen. If there's any company to reword the software to make this work it would be MS. Now that forward compatibility I've seen people mention is a pie in the sky fantasy.
Right now I still have my XB1, Roku and Xbox 360 plugged into my TV. When Plex comes out, I can get rid of the Roku box and if a miracle happens and the XB1 can get some sort of BC, then I can get rid of that too and use EVERYTHING through my XB1.
Right now I still have my XB1, Roku and Xbox 360 plugged into my TV. When Plex comes out, I can get rid of the Roku box and if a miracle happens and the XB1 can get some sort of BC, then I can get rid of that too and use EVERYTHING through my XB1.
I don't. I'm not really sure how stuff like PSNow is even going to work from a technical perspective. The bandwidth requirements are fairly hefty but not insurmountable. 900k pixels for 720, 2million for 1080. But it seems like the real killer is latency, which is what I assume Penello was talking about. 30fps = a max tolerable roundtrip latency (or ping) of 33.3ms. 60fps = 16.66ms!! And that's assuming that the actual rendering is instant which it obviously isn't.
This.
This thread wasn't needed at all. Trying to make something out of nothing.
It will work just like remote play does now. It introduces slight lag and isn't the ideal way to play these games but it's doable.
This. I'd retire my 360 so fast. Well and the few disc based RPGs + Bayonetta.
lifeexpectancy
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And how exactly would the XB1 send the controller inputs to the 360? Via the HDMI cable? I think you're missing a step here somewhere... Besides what is the point in having backwards compatability where you still have to have a 360? At that point just plug the damn 360 into your TV (or the TV input on the XB1) and be done with it. This post makes no sense at all...
geordiemp
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Exactly, we defected 360 >> Ps4...
If they really wanted to dominate, a Xbox with a PowerPC (full backward compatibility) and a good discrete 79xx GPU would have cleaned up next gen
Krisprolls
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That's technically impossible so this is clearly a joke article.
You would need a lot more power on the XB1 to be able to make 360 games playable. As it is, it would run like a slideshow.
You would need a lot more power on the XB1 to be able to make 360 games playable. As it is, it would run like a slideshow.
MarkMclovin
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Failing to see the consideration.
Looks more like 'it would be nice' sort of thing.
Well, of course it would be.
Looks more like 'it would be nice' sort of thing.
Well, of course it would be.
GoofsterStud
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Remote play has no latency issues since it's local and the render target is low res. It's not really comparable.
Chie Satonaka
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If this actually happened, and the bone dropped down to 400, this might make me jump in. I need to replace my 360 and 360 games due to unfortunate circumstances anyway.
It would make an Xbox One more appealing than a PS4 for me at this point.
It would make an Xbox One more appealing than a PS4 for me at this point.
Bitmap Frogs
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They also were considering games with gold for the bone and still nada.
to be honest, i don't think retail should be their priority when it comes to BC. they should be focusing on the digital releases. it's the reason why steam is so popular, future compatibility. these are digital titles locked to a singular generation of console. if they can emulate those releases such as braid and limbo etc, which i imagine is much easier then say, halo 4, then that would be a hell of a step in the right direction. sony's method of re-releasing PS3 digitial games such as flower etc for no extra cost is great, but ultimately it's down to them picking and choosing what is worth a re-release which isn;t so great. emulation of all those titles would be ideal.
as for the article though, i don't really see them considering it at all. more like a passing thought then anything.
Monty Mole
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Vinterbird
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Emulating one 360 game is the same as emulating any other 360 game. No matter if it is Braid or Halo 4.
Salvor.Hardin
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Beta emulated in the future.
In all seriousness though, this would be pretty neat. There are a bunch of 360 games that I enjoy going back to, and being able to do that without having to change systems would be ideal.
In all seriousness though, this would be pretty neat. There are a bunch of 360 games that I enjoy going back to, and being able to do that without having to change systems would be ideal.
KratosEnergyDrink
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They never get the Xbox360 emulated on the Xbox One. It would even be impossible to do this on an actual high end pc.
Even the latest Wii emulators on PCs don't give an appealing gaming experience. The framerate is unsteady, even with 30 FPS games (but most games on Wii use 60 FPS anyway) the controls only a ghost of the original ones.
The controls should be fine on a Xbox360, because of the "old fashioned" controller. But emulating the Xbox360-PowerPC and eDRAM is an impossible task even on latest PCs.
Even the latest Wii emulators on PCs don't give an appealing gaming experience. The framerate is unsteady, even with 30 FPS games (but most games on Wii use 60 FPS anyway) the controls only a ghost of the original ones.
The controls should be fine on a Xbox360, because of the "old fashioned" controller. But emulating the Xbox360-PowerPC and eDRAM is an impossible task even on latest PCs.
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