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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online

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Takuya

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Perkel said:
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bahahaha, that cracked me up.
 
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watership

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everyday math said:
All this from a few tweets. Amazing.
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A few tweets, unconfirmed leaks and the fact that Microsoft hasn't announced anything, waiting for a launch event. This is a prime example when a lack of information can be detrimental to the extreme. Has there ever been any bad reaction to nothing being official ever?
 
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Aquamarine

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JBourne said:
I had to sleep all day and the thread jumped up 50 pages. Can anyone give a recap of what's gone down?
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"Xbox always-online haters? #dealwithit lol" - Microsoft Studios Creative Director

"Yu guyz r so stupid cuz everyone has internet #dealwithit" - Microsoft Studios Creative Director


"Guyz i cant find logical argumentz against always-online" - Arthur Gies, Polygon

"Just buy a ps4 lol #dealwithit" - Arthur Gies, Polygon
 
Boss Man

Boss Man

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AniHawk said:
no, a little thing called journalistic integrity. they aren't going to stake their reputation on some dumb rumor started up on a no-name video game web forum on the internet.
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I don't think I can even have a real discussion with this...

1) To imply that Polygon has more journalistic integrity than Time, NBC, or Forbes takes a special kind of person.

2) This is not "a rumor started up on a no-name video game web forum on the internet."
 
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Uno Venova

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kingocfs said:
Commenting on the reactions to a rumor is acknowledging the console and it's potential feature set before they even have a chance to raise the curtain, why would they do that, to quell some negative speculation for a few weeks? It's unfortunate that they had this dude be a dick on Twitter, but these shitty tweets aren't going to matter in the long run.
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Saying 'we do not believe in persistent online connections to function' or something along those lines wouldn't be acknowledging the console.
 
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unbias

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jtb said:
Because if the rumors are false, then they will be proven false at the reveal and they will have MONTHS before the release to control the narrative. If they deny now, then they automatically lose control of the narrative and start discussing the 720 on our terms rather than on their terms.
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So they are willing to have a perception throughout the media world(like or love huffo a lot of people read that place, along with all the other websites) that their console will need to always be online. Your belief that if they deny always online(a hot button issue regardless of a console or not) would create a narrative on "our terms" seems quite baseless. Denying something like this would easily be the end of it, there is no automatically losing control because they respond to always online drm, I'm not even sure why you think it would be that extreme of a event for them to deny it.
 
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unbias

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kingocfs said:
Commenting on the reactions to a rumor is acknowledging the console and it's potential feature set before they even have a chance to raise the curtain, why would they do that, to quell some negative speculation for a few weeks? It's unfortunate that they had this dude be a dick on Twitter, but these shitty tweets aren't going to matter in the long run.
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No it wouldnt, it would be commenting on company policy of not making their software completely reliant on always online drm. That is easily able to be a policy stance, not a product feature.
 
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Dave Long

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I think they've completely lost sight of the fact that people don't NEED a videogame console.

It's a luxury item. When alternatives exist, people will chose the thing that is less restrictive, especially if it just sounds unfair from the word go like this whole business does.
 
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Pillville

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roddur said:
what are the chances the always-on thing will turn out to be false?
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This needs to be called something else. "always-on" still sounds like it's an option, like current consoles.

"required-online"
"forced-on"
"mandatory-connection"


Either way, I still have a hard time believing they can possibly have "required-online" to be able to use the console at all.
 
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jtb

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unbias said:
So they are willing to have a perception throughout the media world(like or love huffo a lot of people read that place, along with all the other websites) that their console will need to always be online. Your belief that if they deny always online(a hot button issue regardless of a console or not) would create a narrative on "our terms" seems quite baseless. Denying something like this would easily be the end of it, there is no automatically losing control because they respond to always online drm, I'm not even sure why you think it would be that extreme of a event for them to deny it.
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Because one question leads to another, which leads to another. Remember, the console hasn't even been announced yet. Officially, it "doesn't exist." They don't want a slow trickle of information before the reveal, presumably they already have a release + marketing plan in place. Why stop that train because of a post on Twitter? Especially when, if it's not true, it'll be proven as such at the conference?
 
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Roddslayer

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As I was wondering why Microsoft would go against the grain so much with "Always On", an idea popped into my head. What if first and third party titles were 10-15 dollars cheaper on the Nextbox than the PS4. The Always on No used games Xbox could try to attract publishers to bring their games at alower price point which may increase sales all the while not losing them to the used game market.

Just an idea but seriously would you buy a Always On console if the games were 20% cheaper?
 
Chaplain

Chaplain

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watership said:
Has there ever been any bad reaction to nothing being official ever?
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I don't remember for certain, but Iwata seems to hint that the leaks (regardless if true or false) forced them to reveal the Wii U earlier than expected:

Therefore, although we go to great lengths to ensure that this will not happen, there are cases where, even if a person receives information under a Non-Disclosure Agreement, the information is leaked because there is great temptation. Even for the Wii U, some people may be aware, if they had been checking the Internet, that information with true and false rumors mixed together was spread on the Internet before the announcement.

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railGUN

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jtb said:
Because one question leads to another, which leads to another. Remember, the console hasn't even been announced yet. Officially, it "doesn't exist." They don't want a slow trickle of information before the reveal, presumably they already have a release + marketing plan in place. Why stop that train because of a post on Twitter? Especially when, if it's not true, it'll be proven as such at the conference?
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This thread alone is nearing 700,000 views (in less than a day)... As others have said, they just have to agree that an online requirement is not something they would consider for future consoles.
 
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SolarPowered

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Game Analyst said:
I don't remember for certain, but Iwata seems to hint that the leaks (regardless if true or false) forced them to reveal the Wii U earlier than expected:
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They should be happy that someone forced their hand. Any longer and they would have killed the Wii brand completely before showing the Wii U.
 
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jtb

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railGUN said:
This thread alone is nearing 700,000 views... As others have said, they just have to agree that an online requirement is not something they would consider for future consoles.
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So then it'd be a great PR boost when they announce at the conference "hey guys, it's not always online!" The easiest way to impress is when the expectations are low.
 
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Uno Venova

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jtb said:
Because one question leads to another, which leads to another. Remember, the console hasn't even been announced yet. Officially, it "doesn't exist." They don't want a slow trickle of information before the reveal, presumably they already have a release + marketing plan in place. Why stop that train because of a post on Twitter? Especially when, if it's not true, it'll be proven as such at the conference?
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Saying they do not believe in the policies that these articles are making them look like the believe in would not be a trickle of any information about the console while still calming the fears everyone has right now.
 
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unbias

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jtb said:
Because one question leads to another, which leads to another. Remember, the console hasn't even been announced yet. Officially, it "doesn't exist." They don't want a slow trickle of information before the reveal, presumably they already have a release + marketing plan in place. Why stop that train because of a post on Twitter? Especially when, if it's not true, it'll be proven as such at the conference?
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Again, always online DRM is a policy decision not a feature specific to a console. Saying that they dont want to have a policy of creating their brand to have to always be online to use it, is not in anyway specific to duragno and even then a statement would disregard anything you are talking about. Infact you are seemingly implying that they dont have enough self control to keep it at that.
 
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jtb

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railGUN said:
I guess that's one way to spin it.
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My only point is this: if it's not always-online, there is no incentive to blow their load now.
if it is always online, then let the negative headlines fester because they're inevitable.

Bottom line: no incentive to say anything now.

As I've said over and over again in this thread, I think it will be always-online or at least some variant of that. But that doesn't change the way marketing and PR works.
 
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