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Did Nintendo leave the hardware business?

GAF pretends Nintendo doesn't exist except when complaining about how much their hardware and games cost

 

[TheRaidenPT]

Pretty much, it was supposed to tape-out in Q4.

Because AMD needs the commitment to justify their R&D

AFAIK the handheld was cancelled because AMD wanted a commitment of 10m+ units to justify making a dedicated SoC, but with Steam Deck only selling ~5 million units and ASUS ROG/Lenovo Legion only selling 1-2 million MS didn't want to take the risk.

10m is a big ask in their current situation, I would also opt out tbh

 

[bad guy]

First and current XBox were excellent hardware. 360 seemed cheap, XBone should have been a higher-end SSD gaming thoroughbred, that's where MS fukd up, which dragged to this gen.

 

[Ellis]

Bro the clowns running Microsoft Gaming are nowhere near Nintendo's level.

This is almost insulting to Miyamoto and Iwata tbh.

Exactly. N64, GC, and WiiU weren't really massive hits for Nintendo sales wise, but no one got the feeling back then that they were in trouble like MS is with Xbox.

Nintendo are masters of getting themselves out of a pickle and adapting.
Microsoft aren't. As we've seen the last 10-15 years.

 

[Skifi28]

L

Thread 'Walmart has started to convert its Xbox sections to Nintendo/PS'

Today at 1:04 AM

Not sure how widespread this is, but it looks like Walmart has started to convert its Xbox sections to other things? Is this another sign of the impending discontinuation of the Xbox console line?

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[calico]

There might be some type of device with Xbox branding on, but it's hard to see any upside in developing a proper next gen console unless they return to exclusives.

 

[balls of snow]

What happened to we dont comment on rumors and speculations. Xbox getting whipped 3 times before sundown everyday it seems.

 

[Danwan224]

Just to be obtuse how about releasing consoles because all that says is we are doing r&d

 

[Ar¢tos]

10m is a big ask in their current situation, I would also opt out tbh

They expect their next-gen console to sell at least 10m then?
That is also a big ask looking at state of things now.

 

[Kumomeme]

obviously not first time they claimed something like this.


dont be suprise if it end up differently,

 

[Loope]

 

[TheMule1983]

ok, this is the redemption arc i wanted form these shills.

Let see if Jez has the balls to do it.

He's not redeeming himself. Just trying to pivot to a more general video game channel to stay relevant. Dude knows when Xbox goes, all these Xbox influencers and shills go with it.

 

[Proelite]

The whole point of the "custom" design is to include the backwards compatibility IP for older Xboxes so they don't need to relicense everything as a PC game (not going to happen). So if they drop the custom part in favour of a general purpose APU, they give up on the backwards compatibility (that's my take).

I mean given what has been happening I can't say they won't have another brain fart and decide to ditch bwc for the next-gen machine - but then it really isn't a console *at all*

RDNA 5 and beyond GPUs should have BC baked in.

 

[RAIDEN1]

Exactly. N64, GC, and WiiU weren't really massive hits for Nintendo sales wise, but no one got the feeling back then that they were in trouble like MS is with Xbox.

Nintendo are masters of getting themselves out of a pickle and adapting.
Microsoft aren't. As we've seen the last 10-15 years.

Let's not forget the GC was no slouch when compared to the competition at the time, and was 2nd only to Xbox in terms of power, that was the last time Nintendo were actively staying in the horsepower game....fortunately for them the Wii was a massive hit and they bounced back from the Wii U... but for it's time N64 and GC were more than capable in handling the competition from Sony...

 

[BlackTron]

Imagine if BOTW and Mario Kart 8 came out on Wii U, PS4, PC and finally Switch instead of Wii U and Switch. Yeah, maybe Xbox can pull off a Nintendo move

 

[KungFucius]

Yeah this is obvious to everyone except the big brains at GAF. The second largest market cap company just made a muti-year partnership with AMD and launched their cloud platform out of beta, following a historic acquisition. They are only just getting started.

The second largest market cap company can afford to drop something they invested in and move on when it is clear it is not going to be profitable enough to warrant further investment. They can also lay off the HW division. They love that.

 

[BlackTron]

The second largest market cap company can afford to drop something they invested in and move on when it is clear it is not going to be profitable enough to warrant further investment. They can also lay off the HW division. They love that.

The big brain memes will be glorious in a few months

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

The second largest market cap company can afford to drop something they invested in and move on when it is clear it is not going to be profitable enough to warrant further investment. They can also lay off the HW division. They love that.

One can argue mobile or even Zune were far more importnant for MS but both were closed and shuttered without any hesitation. Microsoft can care less about expenses if it makes the corporation more focused and profit-driven mid-term.

Funny that people really think than in a light of AI race Microsoft wouldn't dare to walk back on Xbox console contract because of some termination fees, even if they will cost them a few billions. Xbox Console at this point is net negative anyway, basically dead in retail and worldwide and they will lose more billions even making one regardless. It's easier to write off the whole HW division, cut the losses and then recoup them with SW sales and AI bubble.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Same vibes lol.

 

[Ar¢tos]

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One can argue mobile or even Zune were far more importnant for MS but both were closed and shuttered without any hesitation. Microsoft can care less about expenses if it makes the corporation more focused and profit-driven mid-term.

Funny that people really think than in a light of AI race Microsoft wouldn't dare to walk back on Xbox console contract because of some termination fees, even if they will cost them a few billions. Xbox Console at this point is net negative anyway, basically dead in retail and worldwide and they will lose more billions even making one regardless. It's easier to write off the whole HW division, cut the losses and then recoup them with SW sales and AI bubble.

Remember the iPhone funeral they staged?

That energy apparently hasn't changed going by the leaked emails from the FTC case.

It ended so well for them then and it seems to be going in the same direction now.

 

[Negotiator101]

Hard to doubt the industry titan

I thought you were banned?

 

[Negotiator101]

 

[jm89]

Pretty much, it was supposed to tape-out in Q4.

Because AMD needs the commitment to justify their R&D

AFAIK the handheld was cancelled because AMD wanted a commitment of 10m+ units to justify making a dedicated SoC, but with Steam Deck only selling ~5 million units and ASUS ROG/Lenovo Legion only selling 1-2 million MS didn't want to take the risk.

Journos working fast, already articles on your comments

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Same vibes lol.

Nah, in the weeks leading up to the death of Dreamcast Sega kept denying it

Xbox are in 2001, not 1997.

 

[twilo99]

PC in console's clothing.

That's what the current consoles are … really outdated PC hardware in console clothing

 

[SABRE220]

I mean, what did you expect them to say...it's clear they are pulling back from consoles by the second half of this gen as soon as natella realized game pass didn't deliver. I wish it wasn't so, and they pulled off a 360, but after the $800 series X, it became clear they don't give a shit about sustaining the console hardware longterm. They are fleecing their diehard fanbase for all of their worth, so that as they pull out, they maximize returns and doubling the game pass price and the first day games wall basically told their fanbase more than empty words ever will.

 

[R3TRO]

They should just make a dedicated PC gaming os without the fluff and call it a day.

 

[Doctor Hades]

Not sure I believe anything Microsoft say about Xbox at this point because they could say something completely different next week or next month as we've seen happen numerous times now.

To be honest, I haven't cared about Xbox since May 2024 when I cancelled my GamePass Ultimate subscription for my PC and Xbox Series X. I have no interest in Xbox consoles or the ecosystem but I will continue to buy the odd Xbox game that Microsoft publish for PC on Steam, e.g. The Outer Worlds 2 and Forza Horizon 6 .

Sad to see the Xbox brand go this way after the exciting promise of the Xbox and 360 era. Everything went down a steep incline with the extremely disappointing Xbox One and, in my opinion, Xbox has never recovered from that. Now every time Xbox are in the news, it is something negative that everyone hates on. It seems like they just cannot do anything right and even the much lauded GamePass is now attracting criticism for the massive price hikes and changes.

I can easily see a future where Microsoft abandon the console business for good and become a games publisher. That seems to be the direction they want to go, especially with their "everything is an Xbox" branding. If everything else is an Xbox then why would you need an Xbox?

 

[winjer]

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I thought you were banned?

My immune system has adapted so bans don't work on me anymore

 

[Pasta la Vista]

GAF pretends Nintendo doesn't exist except when complaining about how much their hardware and games cost

Does Nintendo get CoD, Battlefield 6 or GTA VI? They are not in competition.

 

[mopspear]

Wow! Spawn Wave actually use this board as a source instead of the other one! Filtered through Reddit though.

 

[Bondo]

If Microsoft says it- its gotta be the opposite.

 

[Negotiator101]

If Gaf says it- its gotta be the opposite.

Fixed it for you

 

[Panajev2001a]

Not sure I believe anything Microsoft say about Xbox at this point because they could say something completely different next week or next month as we've seen happen numerous times now.

To be honest, I haven't cared about Xbox since May 2024 when I cancelled my GamePass Ultimate subscription for my PC and Xbox Series X. I have no interest in Xbox consoles or the ecosystem but I will continue to buy the odd Xbox game that Microsoft publish for PC on Steam, e.g. The Outer Worlds 2 and Forza Horizon 6 .

Sad to see the Xbox brand go this way after the exciting promise of the Xbox and 360 era. Everything went down a steep incline with the extremely disappointing Xbox One and, in my opinion, Xbox has never recovered from that. Now every time Xbox are in the news, it is something negative that everyone hates on. It seems like they just cannot do anything right and even the much lauded GamePass is now attracting criticism for the massive price hikes and changes.

I can easily see a future where Microsoft abandon the console business for good and become a games publisher. That seems to be the direction they want to go, especially with their "everything is an Xbox" branding. If everything else is an Xbox then why would you need an Xbox?

I think that gaming wise their issues started actually in the 360 era post launch…

Interactive Entertainment Business Leadership Team Positioned to Drive Next Wave of Growth and Audience Expansion - Source

Microsoft announces new leadership roles for Shane Kim and Phil Spencer and the departure of Jeff Bell.

news.microsoft.com

Look who was promoted from GM of Xbox Gaming Studios in 2008 after being the GM of the European side of Xbox Gaming Studios from 2001 to 2008…

Acquired Rare (2002), Lionhead, etc…

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[Humdinger]

The whole point of the "custom" design is to include the backwards compatibility IP for older Xboxes so they don't need to relicense everything as a PC game (not going to happen). So if they drop the custom part in favour of a general purpose APU, they give up on the backwards compatibility (that's my take).

I mean given what has been happening I can't say they won't have another brain fart and decide to ditch bwc for the next-gen machine - but then it really isn't a console *at all*

Is that the point of the custom OS? To allow BC? I was wondering.

Or is it to make it more efficient (game-focused) by stripping out unnecessary Windows stuff? I'm assuming another purpose would be to build a UI that would put Xbox up front while still allowing access to other store fronts. But I'm not a tech guy, so who knows. I'm just trying to piece together was this custom OS is supposed to do.

 

[Bondo]

Fixed it for you

I'll stick to mine.

 

[Mr Moose]

Does Nintendo get CoD, Battlefield 6 or GTA VI? They are not in competition.

Well, they signed a 10 year deal for CoD but... MS lied.

 

[SHAKEZ]

Sure sure...

 

[KungFucius]

Imagine if BOTW and Mario Kart 8 came out on Wii U, PS4, PC and finally Switch instead of Wii U and Switch. Yeah, maybe Xbox can pull off a Nintendo move

How? They tried to have a Skyrim but Bethesda blew it with Starfield. Halo was fun, but nothing more came of it. Pretty much everything they publish is either meh or good, even great, but not amazing.

 

[BlackTron]

How? They tried to have a Skyrim but Bethesda blew it with Starfield. Halo was fun, but nothing more came of it. Pretty much everything they publish is either meh or good, even great, but not amazing.

Facepalm

 

[kapshin]

See what Peter Moore did with the Xbox 360 and copy that.

Yes but minus red ring lol

 

[PlayStaytion]

The main reason the Xbox One failed cause %99.9999 of it's games could've been made on the 360.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

AFAIK the handheld was cancelled because AMD wanted a commitment of 10m+ units to justify making a dedicated SoC, but with Steam Deck only selling ~5 million units and ASUS ROG/Lenovo Legion only selling 1-2 million MS didn't want to take the risk.

Why would AMD demand 10m units when the most successful handheld, the Steamdeck, hasn't even hit 5m and other handhelds sell 1-2m?

 

[KeplerL2]

Why would AMD demand 10m units when the most successful handheld, the Steamdeck, hasn't even hit 5m and other handhelds sell 1-2m?

Because that's the threshold where it makes sense to make a custom SoC for a product. AMD isn't spending $300 million or w/e the cost is to develop a 3nm SoC for something that might only sell 2 million units.

 

[SABRE220]

Yes but minus red ring lol

Hell, id risk the red ring if it means they pull off a 360. I was never interested in the Xbox, but the 360 was so good I had to buy it. Kicking Sonys ass back into shape was the added benefit.

 

[Topher]

Why would AMD demand 10m units when the most successful handheld, the Steamdeck, hasn't even hit 5m and other handhelds sell 1-2m?

That would make sense if Microsoft wanted "dedicated SoC" and not something that can be used in other products. Steam Deck's SoC is now being used in the low end Xbox Rog Ally, for example.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

No exclusives and skyrocketing game pass price. What's the point?

 

[laynelane]

Not sure I believe anything Microsoft say about Xbox at this point because they could say something completely different next week or next month as we've seen happen numerous times now.

To be honest, I haven't cared about Xbox since May 2024 when I cancelled my GamePass Ultimate subscription for my PC and Xbox Series X. I have no interest in Xbox consoles or the ecosystem but I will continue to buy the odd Xbox game that Microsoft publish for PC on Steam, e.g. The Outer Worlds 2 and Forza Horizon 6 .

Sad to see the Xbox brand go this way after the exciting promise of the Xbox and 360 era. Everything went down a steep incline with the extremely disappointing Xbox One and, in my opinion, Xbox has never recovered from that. Now every time Xbox are in the news, it is something negative that everyone hates on. It seems like they just cannot do anything right and even the much lauded GamePass is now attracting criticism for the massive price hikes and changes.

I can easily see a future where Microsoft abandon the console business for good and become a games publisher. That seems to be the direction they want to go, especially with their "everything is an Xbox" branding. If everything else is an Xbox then why would you need an Xbox?

It seems like they're investing in and moving towards Cloud gaming. That's how everything can be an Xbox. It might be do well in countries with strong internet infrastructure, but there's many countries that do not have that. Time will tell, I guess.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Because that's the threshold where it makes sense to make a custom SoC for a product. AMD isn't spending $300 million or w/e the cost is to develop a 3nm SoC for something that might only sell 2 million units.

This is crazy logic.

Microsoft and AMD, both players in console manufacturing for decades know how many units of hardware are sold. They're not going to walk into negotiations without understanding what is and isn't reasonable to expect and what the expected cost will be.

Microsoft aren't going to approach AMD and ask them to make custom silicon when they know that the projected sales for any device in this class would have to be more than double the market leader as a guarantee to make it worthwhile. It wouldn't be a surprise to them to know that AMD have both minimum orders and what sort of size those orders might be.