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Middle-earth: Shadow of War |OT| Attempted Mordor

Imur

Member
Would you say I finished the game (as in just the Story, no post game content) if I don't finish Shadow Wars? I keep track of all the games I finished. I tracked other games without finishing post game, but this one doesn't have credits so I'm really not sure if it "counts".

(I know it's just my own list and my own decision, but I'm interested in your Opinion)
 

Braag

Member
There was an orc which kept coming back even after me killing him several times. In the end his title was "The Machine" as most of his body was metal from being repaired and brought back to life and he turned legendary as well. His tenacity made made me recruit him and make him my bodyguard.
I enjoy the game but the final act is a grind and it's kinda putting me off from continuing :/
 

bugulu

Member
so what's the best way to earn xp for talion once you have completed most of the quests?

Quests that you send your orcs out on is viable, preferably against targets close to your level or above it. Send an orc to kill a fellow chieftain, send two other orcs to ambush the enemy orc. When done, and depending on your level, you'll get 3-5k xp for each kill and it should take you less than five minutes to do each one.

As soon as the orc captain is dead, go to the map and fast travel to a fast travel spot, and send out another batch of orcs and rinse and repeat.
 

Lucreto

Member
A quick question

What happens if you dominate a warchief before you begin your siege of the fortress?

I don't know if just dominate his bodyguards and have they backstab him during the siege or dominate him beforehand.
 

Messiah

Member
A quick question

What happens if you dominate a warchief before you begin your siege of the fortress?

I don't know if just dominate his bodyguards and have they backstab him during the siege or dominate him beforehand.

The capture point the dominated warchief is "defending" will start out fully captured so you just have to run up to it and plant your flag in it. The warchief will join you for the remaining siege after that.
 

J_Viper

Member
Would you say I finished the game (as in just the Story, no post game content) if I don't finish Shadow Wars? I keep track of all the games I finished. I tracked other games without finishing post game, but this one doesn't have credits so I'm really not sure if it "counts".

(I know it's just my own list and my own decision, but I'm interested in your Opinion)
Act 3 beaten...holy cow they went there.


Onto act 4 but im not sure i want this grind.


All that grinding in Shadow Wars only leads to a hilariously confusing two minute cut-scene.

Save yourself the time and watch it on YouTube
Why does Angry Joe get his own post?
 
I’ve been fighting to capture the Khargukôr fortress for the better part of a week and while I always breeze past the initial fortress rush, the overlord killed me roughly... 14 times. Yes, I really tried that many times.

So after hitting level 37 a few nights ago, I just managed to hop on for an hour or so before bed and I figured I would make a run at the fortress again now that I’m about six levels higher than I was when I first launched an attack. Storm the capture points with absolute ease - the fortress defense level was something pitiful like 76 and I had an army somewhere in the 300 range. Now it was time to fight the overlord.

I get into the room and immediately it’s the same song and dance. The floor has large grates that spray poison periodically to deplete your health and slow you down. There’s an infinite respawning army at his side that mostly consist of shield carriers making them hard to take down and super deadly. On balconies near the ceiling, archers rain down arrows. I’m evading, I’m calling in my bodyguard, I’m trying to frost him and get some attacks in - nothing phases this guy. He’s immune to executions. Arrows hardly do a lick of damage. He gets enraged at injury. He’s a fucking tank and his lackeys and poison gas aren’t helping my cause. I get desperate and summon a Graug and while it helps make a few dents, it’s dead in seconds when the poison hits it.

Things were looking bleak - I had exhausted my lifelines, my weapons and tactics were about as effective as hopes and wishes and with a little more than a quarter of health left on him and I having used up my two “down but not out” moments, I figured all was lost when my health bar hit zero and he raised his sword over his head... then Forthog showed up. With a single wack, my nemesis was brought to his knees. I realized what was about to happen. After 14 battles with a near-invincible nemesis, the “‘mysterious savior” shows up and beats the everliving fuck out of him, killing him within seconds and awarding me the fortress.

God bless ya, Forthog.
 

BeauRoger

Unconfirmed Member
While Combat in general has been improved from the first game, has anyone else found the finishing moves to be underwhelming compared to Shadow of Mordor? They dont seem to be nearly as spectacular or as satisfying as they used to be.
 
Is there a performance thread for this game? I'm getting 60FPS with 4K upscaling output at 1080p on Ultra except no AA.

CPU: 6700K, GPU: 980ti SLI

sound about right?

edit: also, I can't seem to run this Fullscreen because the projector keeps losing sync with the PC as though I've disconnected the HDMI cable. Then it comes back. No other game has ever done this. Going borderless fixed it.
 

Braag

Member
While Combat in general has been improved from the first game, has anyone else found the finishing moves to be underwhelming compared to Shadow of Mordor? They dont seem to be nearly as spectacular or as satisfying as they used to be.

I feel like the camera was closer in SoM, so you could see the finishing moves up close.
Could just be that I'm remembering wrong tho.
 
While Combat in general has been improved from the first game, has anyone else found the finishing moves to be underwhelming compared to Shadow of Mordor? They dont seem to be nearly as spectacular or as satisfying as they used to be.
that's not been an issue for me, more that I find myself dodging and running all the time because it's too chaotic and animation priority means my first instinct to dodge is being carried through over all other options.
 

TheBowen

Sat alone in a boggy marsh
Just finished stage 6 of shadow wars and holy fuck are some of these later stages difficult

Haven't lost one yet, but pretty much all my level 48+ captains plus there bodyguards end up dying, it's like dynasty warriors level of death.

Almost lost one when I was up against a level 55 berserker . He was the final warchief and I had no second chances left, he got me down on the ground and was about to execute me, but then one of my level 33 saviours came out of knowhere and beat him to death and I defended the fort
 
I really made an example out of
Bruz
and now I almost feel bad.

His betrayal really infuriated me so after completing his quest line and unlocking the “Shame - Worse than Death” ability, I’ve been stalking him and shaming him every time. At first he was begging me to stop, always screaming “I DON’T WANT THE FORT, IT’S YOURS! JUST TAKE THE FORT AND LEAVE ME BE!” whenever he saw me but I just shamed him again and now he’s a level 1 and deranged. I guess I’ll let him die now.

Don’t fuck with the Bright Lord.
 
I really made an example out of
Bruz
and now I almost feel bad.

His betrayal really infuriated me so after completing his quest line and unlocking the “Shame - Worse than Death” ability, I’ve been stalking him and shaming him every time. At first he was begging me to stop, always screaming “I DON’T WANT THE FORT, IT’S YOURS! JUST TAKE THE FORT AND LEAVE ME BE!” whenever he saw me but I just shamed him again and now he’s a level 1 and deranged. I guess I’ll let him die now.

Don’t fuck with the Bright Lord.

You should let him kill you to raise him up some more before continuing the torment.
 

Pheace

Member
Just finished stage 6 of shadow wars and holy fuck are some of these later stages difficult

Haven't lost one yet, but pretty much all my level 48+ captains plus there bodyguards end up dying, it's like dynasty warriors level of death.

Almost lost one when I was up against a level 55 berserker . He was the final warchief and I had no second chances left, he got me down on the ground and was about to execute me, but then one of my level 33 saviours came out of knowhere and beat him to death and I defended the fort

I had one like that, lost most of my captains I think. It was a nightmare, think I triggered the second wave too early and they just stormed a single point and killed every captain there in a flash and then it just dominoed from there. For a couple of minutes it was just death animation after death animation. It was really one of those Adagio for Strings moments
 

bugulu

Member
Just finished this now, and went for every trophy.
A couple of tips for act 4.

Save your earned gold currency for double XP boost. I reached level 60 by the end of stage 7. Each stage gives increasing XP, with the last stage giving me over 100k XP for completing it.
Don't be afraid to use all your silver currency to replenish the orcs that fall, or replace them with higher leveled orcs from the boxes. You will earn quite a lot back since the enemies drop gear and currency when they die.
Make sure that you have all slots filled and purchased all upgrades.
Look at the enemies weakness and design your defense around that. A lot of the war chiefs taking damage from poison? Make sure that you use traps, defenses, etc. that gives poison damage. Same goes for your character.
When defeating the enemy chieftains, invest in the Shadow Domination skill. As soon as an enemy is marked as broken, shadow strike them, recruit and tell them to fight for you. It's a great way to strengthen the checkpoints.

It took me about 45 hours to finish everything. The last act by itself took around 5 hours.
 
Forums are in a bit of disarray right now but I'll ask anyway.

Should I not bother with Online Conquest until late game? I seem to always get matched up against fortresses with orcs 10-20 levels higher than me and then proceed to get my ass kicked.

Wondering if it's just a case of needing to work through more of the game and level up or if it's really supposed to be that difficult.
 

smurfx

get some go again
Forums are in a bit of disarray right now but I'll ask anyway.

Should I not bother with Online Conquest until late game? I seem to always get matched up against fortresses with orcs 10-20 levels higher than me and then proceed to get my ass kicked.

Wondering if it's just a case of needing to work through more of the game and level up or if it's really supposed to be that difficult.
i got mixed signals on online conquest and thought my orcs didn't get killed in my game if they died in a siege. i really wish that didn't happen and it's why i'm weary of doing them now. so what do i have to do to get past act 2? finish all the conquer missions? i have that and a few gondor missions to finish.
 
i got mixed signals on online conquest and thought my orcs didn't get killed in my game if they died in a siege. i really wish that didn't happen and it's why i'm weary of doing them now. so what do i have to do to get past act 2? finish all the conquer missions? i have that and a few gondor missions to finish.

I'm still on act 2 as well but yeah, that's probably what triggers act 3 is completing all the conquest missions.
 
i got mixed signals on online conquest and thought my orcs didn't get killed in my game if they died in a siege. i really wish that didn't happen and it's why i'm weary of doing them now. so what do i have to do to get past act 2? finish all the conquer missions? i have that and a few gondor missions to finish.

It's really strange. Sometimes they don't. I honestly have no idea what causes it. Or perhaps it was just a bug that they died and returned to normal.
 
Finally finished the game and gotta say quite the bittersweet ending.
It really fit Tolkien's themes of power leads to corruption but I was hoping Talion to get some payback to those who betrayed him. At least he took out black hand of sauron but ironic that he kinda turned out to be like him.
 
Came across an item with an interesting perk.

Guessing it's just a bug but even still, not sure what to think of it lol.

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Quests that you send your orcs out on is viable, preferably against targets close to your level or above it. Send an orc to kill a fellow chieftain, send two other orcs to ambush the enemy orc. When done, and depending on your level, you'll get 3-5k xp for each kill and it should take you less than five minutes to do each one.

As soon as the orc captain is dead, go to the map and fast travel to a fast travel spot, and send out another batch of orcs and rinse and repeat.

fast travel or advance time?
 
When can I recruit? I've only done the first tutorial mission and have mostly been hunting captains and killing them. I want to know when I should stop that
 

Staf

Member
I think i'm done with the game now. I've gotten stuck on the main quest where
i'm suppose to kill the necromancer
and i failed multiple times. I don't really care enough about the story to soldier through. Had fun with the game but enough is enough.
 

bugulu

Member
I think i'm done with the game now. I've gotten stuck on the main quest where
i'm suppose to kill the necromancer
and i failed multiple times. I don't really care enough about the story to soldier through. Had fun with the game but enough is enough.

Have you lowered the difficulty?
Where are you fighting your enemy?
The reason I ask is because
you'll have to fight him multiple times
.
 

Staf

Member
Have you lowered the difficulty?
Where are you fighting your enemy?
The reason I ask is because
you'll have to fight him multiple times
.

I believe it's
the last one. It's in the big round arena thingy with a bunch of captains.
 

smurfx

get some go again
I believe it's
the last one. It's in the big round arena thingy with a bunch of captains.
do you have the shadow pull technique? i pulled all the captains i could far away and killed them and then fought the
necromancer
. he can be damaged by execution so i would fight him at a lower level and then climb and then execute from above until i hurt him long enough.
 

Staf

Member
do you have the shadow pull technique? i pulled all the captains i could far away and killed them and then fought the
necromancer
. he can be damaged by execution so i would fight him at a lower level and then climb and then execute from above until i hurt him long enough.

I honestly feel i'm done with the game. I like it. It overstays it welcome though.
 

BigDug13

Member
Really burnt out on this game.

The RNG makes certain quests absurdly difficult - replaying certain quests is hugely cumbersome because i have to listen to each captain's dialogue over and over again. (Zog's final quest has you fight in an area with 6-7 captains, so that's like ... 3 minutes of dialogue each attempt - one of those captains is of course a 'no chance' fucker)

The quests are boring, progression kinda stops once you got all relevant skills and subskills (i'm just filling up skillslots now).

I really enjoyed the first game. Sure, it was rather generic open world - but this game's so obviously balanced around the nemesis system / the marketplace ...
Meeting / fighting a captain doesn't feel special anymore ... it's just a chore.

I got through Zog by just running them around the arena away from their pillars then capping the pillars uncontested. Zog ends up alone in the final fight once you have the pillars. I don't think we're meant to fight all those captains. They're only alive because the pillars.

I was so bummed when I saw Angry Joe's review. I've never found a bard orc captain that sang to me!!
 

smurfx

get some go again
I got through Zog by just running them around the arena away from their pillars then capping the pillars uncontested. Zog ends up alone in the final fight once you have the pillars. I don't think we're meant to fight all those captains. They're only alive because the pillars.

I was so bummed when I saw Angry Joe's review. I've never found a bard orc captain that sang to me!!
ive actually found a couple. although he did die in one of my online sieges which is why i haven't attempted it again anymore. has anybody invaded any of your forts? one guy failed and another beat one of mine pretty easy it seems.
 

Ombra

Member
Really burnt out on this game.

The RNG makes certain quests absurdly difficult - replaying certain quests is hugely cumbersome because i have to listen to each captain's dialogue over and over again. (Zog's final quest has you fight in an area with 6-7 captains, so that's like ... 3 minutes of dialogue each attempt - one of those captains is of course a 'no chance' fucker)

The quests are boring, progression kinda stops once you got all relevant skills and subskills (i'm just filling up skillslots now).

I really enjoyed the first game. Sure, it was rather generic open world - but this game's so obviously balanced around the nemesis system / the marketplace ...
Meeting / fighting a captain doesn't feel special anymore ... it's just a chore.
I got slightly further than I did with the first game but yeah the redundancies killed my long term enjoyment.
 

bugulu

Member
has anybody failed to shame an orc into going insane? i've shamed a bunch and they never go crazy.

Do you have the skill unlocked for it to make them deranged? Not sure if that's necessary, but I never saw one till I had it on.

Managed to make a guy a maniac and he went from level 19 to 57 which was my current level. The guy had my hand marks all over his body.
 

bugulu

Member
I believe it's
the last one. It's in the big round arena thingy with a bunch of captains.

I can't recall that encounter. The only one I had a problem with was the
ice map just above where the Balrog fell and where you have to deactivate the four pillars.
When the necromancer was the last remaining orc, I was able to hide behind a pillar, and he lost sight of me, and I just kept ambushing him.
 
has anybody failed to shame an orc into going insane? i've shamed a bunch and they never go crazy.

Do you have the skill unlocked for it to make them deranged? Not sure if that's necessary, but I never saw one till I had it on.

Managed to make a guy a maniac and he went from level 19 to 57 which was my current level. The guy had my hand marks all over his body.

Pretty sure the skill isn't needed for deranged, but might possibly be for maniac.

I had one go deranged and then I found him again and dominated him. He's still a Warchief for one of my fortresses lol.

I also had one that became "unashamed" and turned into a legendary orc.
 
I think i'm done with the game now. I've gotten stuck on the main quest where
i'm suppose to kill the necromancer
and i failed multiple times. I don't really care enough about the story to soldier through. Had fun with the game but enough is enough.

i've hit that point myself. really enjoyed the first game, but, other than the funky orcs (the bruz stuff is great), there's nothing interesting going on here - it's all just sorta lifeless & tiresome. & the repeated exchanges between the 2 main characters are so damn boring! :) ...
 

Jumeira

Banned
i've hit that point myself. really enjoyed the first game, but, other than the funky orcs (the bruz stuff is great), there's nothing interesting going on here - it's all just sorta lifeless & tiresome. & the repeated exchanges between the 2 main characters are so damn boring! :) ...

But...what about the Palantir?? Palantir this, Palntir that, Palantir, Palantir, Palantirrrrrrrrr!!!!
 
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