Milo Yiannopoulos is Going on Real Time with Bill Maher

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Toxi said:
Don't invite him on your late night talkshow?

There is nothing that obligated Maher to do this in the first place.
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But Milo has a large following. He's grown and continued to grow his following without talk shows already.

I believe this issue is bigger than talk show hosts, so the only way is to have governments condemn this type of behavior.

It's very similar to Trump being on Fallon: that wasn't the problem, the problem was a man could say degrading things about women and still be cheered on by government officials.
 
chaos789 said:
Ok fine. Then perhaps you can tell me, someone not very familiar with Milo. Why do so many flock to him and listen to his bs? Because what I saw tonight on Bill Maher was an opportunist who gets off on getting people worked up.
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You do realize Trump is president right?
And we live in a world where the likes of Papa Doc, Hitler, and Pol Pot right?
Please dial your faith in humanity to level of the universe you exist in.
 
Breads said:
Unfortunately the solution to bigotry is a lot more complicated than that. If I ever figure out the solution I will let yall know.

In the mean time yeah fuck them there is no reason to give them a platform. No platforming them does not make their numbers grow nor is it ignoring them. No platforming them simply stops, for one precious moment, the spread of their hateful ways.
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At the very least someone like that doesn't need to be given a platform by someone who describes themself as a progressive or liberal. You're only giving him a platform to spew bullshit. Milo isn't there to debate and certainly not to talk facts.

If he wants his platform he can run to Breitbart, or Rush or Fox News. I'm sure they would love to have him on. But anyone on the left who views themselves as an ally shouldn't even tolerate or give this man the opportunity to spew sick shit.
 
gnomed said:
I'm pretty sure it was filmed, but I believe it's part of the colleges archive. I was only able to find this article with a few excerpts.
http://www.dailybulletin.com/govern...larry-wilmore-jabs-at-trump-in-claremont-talk
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Oh well, I'm sure I'll hear something else from him at a later date.

Subpar Spatula said:
But Milo has a large following. He's grown and continued to grow his following without talk shows already.

I believe this issue is bigger than talk show hosts, so the only way is to have governments condemn this type of behavior.

It's very similar to Trump being on Fallon: that wasn't the problem, the problem was a man could say degrading things about women and still be cheered on by government officials.
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That ain't happening for at least another 4 years here in the US.

Edit: even then the alt-right and right wingers in general don't give a shit.
 
CrazedProfessional said:
I think if Maher brought him on and was ultra combative that would've served the Alt Right more. The Alt Right wants a war and Maher just treating hum like the attention seeker he is and moving on to other panellist is the correct way to deal with a full time troll.
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If Maher really wanted to treat him as nothing more than an attention seeker, then he probably miscalculated in bringing him in on a panel with even a few reasonably intelligent people. He also miscalculated in given him any leeway with some of the things Milo was saying. But then, like I said, he actually agrees with him on some of this stuff. I don't think the alt-right interprets these events in a logical way; they see this as nothing but a pure win for their cause.
 
Lois_Lane said:
You do realize Trump is president right?
And we live in a world where the likes of Papa Doc, Hitler, and Pol Pot right?
Please dial your faith in humanity to level of the universe you exist in.
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Yeah seriously. Milo made millions doing nothing more than giving a voice to bigots who were for years oppressed by decency. It's not that hard to figure out.
 
chaos789 said:
Ok fine. Then perhaps you can tell me, someone not very familiar with Milo. Why do so many flock to him and listen to his bs? Because what I saw tonight on Bill Maher was an opportunist who gets off on getting people worked up.
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He is the embodiment of an opportunist. The fact that the right has become a supple ground for con-artists and scammers is so delicious. These people are too dumb to know a guy like Milo is just pretending to believe this shit to take advantage of them.

Getting scammed is something they deserve, and in that way I tip my hat to anybody who extracts cash from bigoted rubes. The problem is they vote. Somehow, and I'd love to know the scientific explanation behind it, they haven't choked to death on a pretzel or downed in a kiddy pool. I wonder how many Trump voters have been saved by the kind of legislation that kept only people as vapid and stupid as them from a horrible end.

Suddenly I do feel like we need to roll back regulations. The kind of prick who supports that kind of thing is the first to suffer.
 
And actually, I would bet anything that somehow Maher tries to spin the acknowledgement that he and Milo *agreed* on stuff as the liberals trying to get at him again for being some kind of a truthsayer. Like, I could actually see him attacking the left for how horribly the interview went, especially as he does further research and actually sees just how knee-deep Milo has been in stirring up some truly awful shit.
 
excelsiorlef said:
Because he's a charismatic bigot, and there are a lot of bigots in the world?
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So I try to engage in the topic at hand and you answer with sarcasm? We are on the same side. What I don't understand is why Milo is being treated as some sort of infuential intellectual by the right. Is this really the best they can do now? True right wing intellectuals must be rolling in their graves.
 
chaos789 said:
Ok fine. Then perhaps you can tell me, someone not very familiar with Milo. Why do so many flock to him and listen to his bs? Because what I saw tonight on Bill Maher was an opportunist who gets off on getting people worked up.
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I know some conservatives like him simply because they enjoy the way he riles up the left.
If you don't care for those on the left, seeing them upset probably gets your rocks off.

Perhaps a less hateful equivalent is the Liberal Redneck Trae Crowder. He's funny but I think he checks the same boxes the same way Milo does.

Milo's shtick is, "I'm gay so how can I be a prominent voice among conservatives who are apparently bigots?"

The liberal redneck in a way ticks similar boxes. Conservatives accuse the left of being too elitist, not understanding of small town America, etc. And seeing Trae Crowder go in on ignorant right wingers makes me smirk.

The only difference is that Trae seems like an honest good dude.
 
chaos789 said:
Ok fine. Then perhaps you can tell me, someone not very familiar with Milo. Why do so many flock to him and listen to his bs? Because what I saw tonight on Bill Maher was an opportunist who gets off on getting people worked up.
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Most people have a conscience that prevents them from expressing their inner awfulness in a public way -- they're afraid of what people will think of them if they voiced some of their private beliefs that they might recognize are troubled, but haven't made the effort to remedy (most people are lazy and just go with their gut because it takes effort and uncomfortable thinking to get over their own prejudices; doesn't feel good to admit to yourself that you may be bad).

Milo does not -- he doesn't seem to challenge his own thoughts, he doesn't seem to keep his thoughts to himself, he seems to embrace those thoughts, so for bigots that agree with his points of view, he's seen as brave and refreshing and exciting. They envy the perceived freedom he has to speak his mind without being afraid of what others think of him.

edit: and I use the term "seem to" because I personally think Milo is mostly a provocateur. He may hold those bigoted views, he may not -- it doesn't make much difference, he's a piece of shit either way, and the damage he causes is just as real even if he's not.

edit2: and Milo also has the bonus of, like #notyourshield, wearing the avatars of marginalized groups. People can point to him being gay (though he's said he just did it to piss off his parents...) to shield from homophobia, his black "boyfriend" to shield from racism, and his jewish ancestry to shield from anti-semitism. These are intentional props that reinforce his persona as a contrarian. They make him more marketable and they're also like magnets to bigots that want to point and say "look, one of <insert group> agrees with me so I can't be bigoted!"

rec0ded1 said:
NYT - Bill Maher and Milo Yiannopoulos Find Common Ground

We're going to see a lot more of him methinks.
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Ugh.
 
Toxi said:
So?

How does inviting him on your talkshow and sucking his dick and agreeing with his hateful idiocy deal with that problem?
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I think the goal was to embarrass or tear apart his beliefs but that itself is a double edged sword. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation and we're going to see this more and more going forward because it seems more and more regular Joes don't care people say hateful things.
 
excelsiorlef said:
How long has every other bigoted political commentator lasted?
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I don't know, but his gayness and fondness for black dudes makes him somewhat unique among that group. Once that novelty wears off, there is a chance that some of his fans will find another hero. It will be interesting to see how his performance evolves if that occurs.
 
Imagine if Milo had said gay people shouldn't be able to marry and Maher had said "That's not unreasonable".

People really don't give a shit about transgender Americans, and it's disgusting.
 
Toxi said:
Imagine if Milo had said gay people shouldn't be able to marry and Maher had said "That's not unreasonable".

People really don't give a shit about transgender Americans, and it's disgusting.
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People give so few fucks they no one even remembers that the Trump justice department is no longer fighting for trans rights. One of the areas where the "liberal community" is pretty pathetic.
 
chaos789 said:
So I try to engage in the topic at hand and you answer with sarcasm? We are on the same side. What I don't understand is why Milo is being treated as some sort of infuential intellectual by the right. Is this really the best they can do now? True right wing intellectuals must be rolling in their graves.
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That's not sarcasm, that's my answer... he's charismatic which can be disarming if you aren't really paying attention and a bigot... and there are in fact a lot of bigots in the world.
 
I can honestly see the appeal for some people -- he's a brash, gay British guy who seems to have a grasp on the English language -- he's a cartoon. However, most people equate incessant talking with substance and once he gets into the meat of his believes is where the fun should stop. His bullshit about trans people making up the majority of sexual assaults is just nonsense and the whole 'mental disorder' spiel is a tired, long-debunked argument straight out of the conservative playbook.
 
SURGEdude said:
He is the embodiment of an opportunist. The fact that the right has become a supple ground for con-artists and scammers is so delicious. These people are too dumb to know a guy like Milo is just pretending to believe this shit to take advantage of them.

Getting scammed is something they deserve, and in that way I tip my hat to anybody who extracts cash from bigoted rubes. The problem is they vote. Somehow, and I'd love to know the scientific explanation behind it, they haven't choked to death on a pretzel or downed in a kiddy pool. I wonder how many Trump voters have been saved by the kind of legislation that kept only people as vapid and stupid as them from a horrible end.

Suddenly I do feel like we need to roll back regulations. The kind of prick who supports that kind of thing is the first to suffer.
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Yeah I would unforunetly have to agree that for Trump supporters ignorance and stupidity is the norm. I mean they are being prayed upon by con man and getting involved in fake movements or astro turf like the Tea Party movement funded by Americans for Prosperity. This is nothing new as Tobacco companies hired Bernay's PR firm to have marches to support a womans right to smoke even if pregnant. Was called the 'Torches of Freedom' I believe and occured in the 1920's.
 
chaos789 said:
So I try to engage in the topic at hand and you answer with sarcasm? We are on the same side. What I don't understand is why Milo is being treated as some sort of infuential intellectual by the right. Is this really the best they can do now? True right wing intellectuals must be rolling in their graves.
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I know it might be a hard pill to swallow but that wasn't sarcasm.

He says things other bigots wish they could. That is the start and end of it.

Jombie said:
I can honestly see the appeal for some people -- he's a brash, gay British guy who seems to have a grasp on the English language -- he's a cartoon. However, most people equate incessant talking with substance and once he gets into the meat of his believes is where the fun should stop. His bullshit about trans people making up the majority of sexual assaults is just nonsense and the whole 'mental disorder' spiel is a tired, long-debunked argument straight out of the conservative playbook.
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He knows. That's why conservatives love him. He has publicly professed how he wish he could cure his gayness.
 
rec0ded1 said:
NYT - Bill Maher and Milo Yiannopoulos Find Common Ground

We're going to see a lot more of him methinks.
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There we go. Jyst what i feared. This is so fucking bad. This is why democrats lose. We fucking suck.

Fuck Bill Maher. Always remember how he first made it hip for liberals to hate Muslims or at least blame Islam for all terrorists attacks. And now he's blaming liberals for standing up to a vile piece of shit like Milo. Good job standing up for the grade school trans kids who don't feel comfortable going to the men's bathroom. Good job standing up for the black woman who got harassed and viciously attacked by a low life scumbag. Good job exposing this racist Fuck head who wanted to out illegal immigrant students at a uni.

Wait no, you did none of that Bill. You did find something to agree upon. I agree with trump on several things. He has good taste in women. He loves fried chicken. Doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the racist and sexist things he's done jyst so find common fucking ground you dumb Cunt.

This is it. Fuck Bill Maher. I'm done.
 
shadowsdarknes said:
I know some conservatives like him simply because they enjoy the way he riles up the left.
If you don't care for those on the left, seeing them upset probably gets your rocks off.

Perhaps a less hateful equivalent is the Liberal Redneck Trae Crowder. He's funny but I think he checks the same boxes the same way Milo does.

Milo's shtick is, "I'm gay so how can I be a prominent voice among conservatives who are apparently bigots?"

The liberal redneck in a way ticks similar boxes. Conservatives accuse the left of being too elitist, not understanding of small town America, etc. And seeing Trae Crowder go in on ignorant right wingers makes me smirk.

The only difference is that Trae seems like an honest good dude.
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As you suggest Trae is self referential and admits the assumed irony. He knows that the way he looks, speaks, and where he's from are associated with something totally removed from who he is. It's lighthearted, and a reminder that a white guy with a thick southern accent and a love of rural life isn't by definition wrongheaded. His wink and nod is about breaking stereotypes to increase acceptance of as many people as possible both through his persona and his values.

Milo is the opposite. He's a collaborator in the truest sense. The American lexicon has racialized words to describe this kind of behaviour of selfishness. But those don't apply to him because at least those people were trying to preserved themselves and their families by serving the devil.

Milo does it because he's just an empty sociopath.
 
excelsiorlef said:
That's not sarcasm, that's my answer... he's charismatic which can be disarming if you aren't really paying attention and a bigot... and there are in fact a lot of bigots in the world.
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Sadly that is true. I thought we were making some progress on that front or at least till Trump embolden them. I picked up on Milo's shick tonight. It was the first time I have ever seen him. But I can tell a con man and opportunist when I see one and especially one who gets off on getting people worked up for personal profit and fame.
 
Subpar Spatula said:
But Milo has a large following. He's grown and continued to grow his following without talk shows already.

I believe this issue is bigger than talk show hosts, so the only way is to have governments condemn this type of behavior.

It's very similar to Trump being on Fallon: that wasn't the problem, the problem was a man could say degrading things about women and still be cheered on by government officials.
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This would never work in the US
 
What's sad is that I think Bill desperately wants to be liked by some of these people.

When they talked about his Twitter incident -- 'oh, I know, right! I don't even look at my feed anymore!' Could have called him out on egging on his degenerates to harass Leslie Jones and retweeting pictures of her depicted as a gorillas but no, just lulz.
 
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