Why should they not protest when he has singled out students to be targets of harassment in the past? You either let an innocent person get hurt or you try to stop it from happening.
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Milo Yiannopoulos is Going on Real Time with Bill Maher
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Why should they not protest when he has singled out students to be targets of harassment in the past? You either let an innocent person get hurt or you try to stop it from happening.
Yoshimitsu126
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This was such a stupid idea. And the supposedly good part wasn't even on TV but the parts Bill agrees with Milo is?
What a farce.
What a farce.
plagiarize
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This is how many eligible voters there were last November:
231,556,622
This is how many votes Donald Trump got:
62,985,106
Criticize people for their apathy, absolutely, but do not say that 42% of the population voted for him, when it is not remotely true.
Considering he literally commits crimes on stage, you should absolutely prevent him from taking that stage. In fact, it would be your civic fucking duty to do so.
Not only did he not care for games he was actively attacking them less than a month before gamergate kicked off, calling gamers 'losers in yellow underpants', saying they were responsible for Elliot Rodgers and should have a 'pair of tits in their hands rather than a controller', then suddenly did a 180 because he saw an opportunity and morons swallowed it whole. The guy's a sothiopathic narcissist, a cancer, and I get very annoyed when people say he's silly, or a troll when he's so much worse as can be uncovered by 10 minutes on google.
No, that's a trolls win.
A real win is the successful implementation of their guys platform with positive results to validate their vote... and I'm not interested in entertaining a trolls win that only amounts to "you triggered snowflake? Get over it".
No idea why anyone else would, and if people truly believe that's Trumps complete voter base...lol
HuffPo wrote an article fact checking what Milo said, and its all what I wanted maher to tell him. Its funny maher's twitter says make america sane agan, but he used no critical thinking when dealing with milo. What a douchebag
Link to the article http://www.huffpostbrasil.com/entry/milo-yiannopoulos-transgender-people-truth_us_58a84dcae4b07602ad551487
Link to the article http://www.huffpostbrasil.com/entry/milo-yiannopoulos-transgender-people-truth_us_58a84dcae4b07602ad551487
Just going to assume you didn't know it wasn't actually 42% of the population that voted for him.
plagiarize
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I said in my previous post that they should protest the event and his views. Just don't try to shut it down, *because* the effect of doing that is only ever going to be to give the hateful guy a bigger audience to be hateful to.
Some 300 people might have heard him talk at that event.
Because that protest turned violent, hundreds of thousands of people, (I'm not sure if Bill Maher's show gets seven figure audiences) will have heard his hateful anti transgender views on HBO last night.
Protest peacefully. Don't try to shut the event down when it's a troll, because that's feeding the troll. Peaceful protest works. That shit in Berkeley? It clearly *didn't*.
I understand your position, but I also think those protests to Milo being invited anywhere in public society are necessary. They send the message that Milo is cancer that should not be tolerated. And that's a message that NEEDS to be sent, this election should have taught us that for most people the foulness of some views is not self-evident.
For every unrepentant moron like Maher who books Milo, I'm willing to bet more reasonably minded people with platforms are thinking twice about it because of these protests.
Maher wanted to make a friend, and it showed.
But more than 42% population saw what he was and decided to stay home or vote third - party. They were fine with his ascension.
So letting him set a target for those 300 people to harass is better than giving him a bit of publicity? I don't agree with that.
Transgendered isn't a thing.
No, no. Book him and let him talk. He'll only make a fool of himself. You guys are off the rails on his shit.
plagiarize
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Thank you for the correction.
And again, I'm not sure why you think I'm saying 'Do nothing', when I'm saying protest the fucker.
The Berkeley protest wasn't the first protest at one of his events. But it's the first that made national news and boosted his platform to expose even more people to his hateful views.
Because it went violent and shut him down.
I don't think there's any hard to understand nuances in what I'm saying here.
If the protests had gone smoothly, the event wouldn't have made national news and the troll wouldn't have been given a bigger platform. If you want to voice your dislike for him, please do so, but don't do it in a way that gives him the ability to do more harm to more people. Because great, you got your feelings off your chest, but at a very large cost.
Please point out where he made a fool of himself during the show.
Had the protests not gotten violent then he would have been allowed to speak at the university. The violence was necessary.
theCalamity
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Then get us back on track, please.
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Dude the fucking articles are straight up saying that they "found common ground."
Stop enabling this shit by saying "he'll just make a fool of himself." The dude was allowed to make up statistics and wasn't corrected on the spot in anyway shape or form. Fuck that. Fuck Bill Maher for not taking this dude to task. Audiences, ESPECIALLY THE ONES MILO SPECIFICALLY TARGETS are fucking stupid, they BELIEVE the shit that Milo says, so when he says something like "I like to keep men out of women's bathrooms." They're not laughing.Because he's a walking, talking contradictory. How the hell could you take him seriously?
I mean come on!
Maher seemed to take him seriously.
plagiarize
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Here's your choice:
1: Do you want the troll to speak to 300 people.
2: Do you want the troll to speak to hundreds of thousands of people.
Why do you keep picking number 2?
He didn't make a fool of himself, and only a fool who hasn't been paying attention to how nasty this world has gotten would think that he did.
Hell, he got called "reasonable."
Rats Off To Ya
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Didn't watch the episode but I did see the clip of Larry Wilmore telling him to fuck off. That was great.
Pretty shitty of Bill to have him on, and not even take him to task from what I hear. But then again Bill Maher has a long history of being pretty shitty about certain things.
Pretty shitty of Bill to have him on, and not even take him to task from what I hear. But then again Bill Maher has a long history of being pretty shitty about certain things.
DontBeThatGuy
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The vast majority were peaceful protesters, CAL students, that was the intent. You can't control the actions of those relatively few outsiders who hijacked the event in the name of chaos, that's the reality, don't try to twist it into anything else.
Because in option 1 he's actively giving people a target. I guess everyone just forgot that he caused an innocent woman to drop out of school.
In option 2 he can't really do that unless some dumbass like Maher lets him.
Really? My Wife and I laughed during the entire interview.
Sure man whatever you say.
No one is obligated to book this white supremacist mascot for anything. I'd also argue that letting him spew his views unchallenged in the way Bill Maher allowed is only helping to normalize his views more than it makes him appear crazy.
What the fuck is Milo wearing?
And that's great for you and your wife.
Remember that most of the world doesn't live in our bubble. I can laugh at Milo too, while being completely terrified by him being given a platform because I am aware of the human history of how vulnerable groups have been persecuted, and how often it started with fucking clowns pushing dangerous and false views like Milo
Yes foolish is the word I'd use for someone who spread fake tweets to incite his followers to attack someone for the crime over being a black woman. Foolish is the word I'd use for him do xx ingredients a transgender student while giving a talk at her school. Foolish is the best way to describe someone who yet again lied about a vulnerable community with the host brainlessly nodding along and sometimes agreeing . Foolish is the word I'd use to describe him leading attack after attack on various gamergate targets, mainly female btw... actually foolish is wrong, cancer would be much more apt for this individual.
Just repeating myself seeing as you're ignoring all the posters pointing out how he goes out of his way to hurt and attack people but yeah, sure, he deserves platforms to keep doing this shit and targeting vulnerable people, who cares how many people he hurts, amiright? /s
plagiarize
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Tell that to Kinsei who is causing the violence necessary. I have friends who were at that protest, who protested peacefully, but who don't condemn the violence either, and it rubs salt in my eyes.
I won't let the troll's speech get normalized and I won't let violent protest get normalized either. Especially not when it just gives the troll a larger and larger platform. We should all be decrying the antifas for what they did here.
Because it was unquestionably a loss, no matter what people want to tell themselves.
You have to handle this fucker differently.
JHoNNy1OoO
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Dude the fucking articles are straight up saying that they "found common ground."
This is always my problem when you let someone like Milo on. You know 100% he's going to throw bullshit out there yet you know 100% you're not going to stop the entire show to call him out on it. So what does Bill do? Milo mentions the Transgender Sex Crime bullshit and Bill just shrugs his shoulders like, "What are you gonna do? I'm going to take him at his word." Like WTF?
It's not like these are new arguments Milo created on the spot. He's used them plenty of times before and you could easily come prepared with the information to shut him down. yet clearly no research was done and Bill just wanted the ratings/attention/whatever.
plagiarize
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And some dumbass always will.
So please, I beg you, stop picking option 2 and stop defending the violent protests.
Unless you want him to get an even bigger platform.
You can't help the small percentage of those people. They'll just latch on to anything. For the rest of it's funny and dehumanizes him. Again, Stern having Daniel Carver on to let him him talk is humor. The same goes for this clown. Taking him seriously is on you.
plagiarize
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At least one came back and proved themselves bigger than the others by admitting they were wrong.
Hopefully whether they're prepared to eat crow on this or not, they'll not step up to defend the next show that decides to have him on.
victreeb3l
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Uh who says #1 wont eventually lead to #2?
I mean the dude got a fucking book deal before any of this
Spiral Insanity
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HuffPo did a fact-check piece: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...der-people-truth_us_58a84dcae4b07602ad551487?
Look at all the fucking SHIT he spouted in 30 minutes.
Look at all the fucking SHIT he spouted in 30 minutes.
TheLostBigBoss
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You don't really understand what someone like Milo does.
To anyone who is uninformed, he can easily say something that sounds reasonable in order to form pre-conceved notions about topics. You saw him do it with the "transgenders commit more sex crimes" thing. Blatantly false, but he says and Maher just shrugs because he doesn't know shit and clearly isn't really all that in the know of trans issues, so he shrugs his shoulders and doesn't say anything.
Amplify that to anyone watching who is as clueless as Maher and now he's not sounding so racist or sexist, he's gay after all, he's clearly worried about our kids against a group of people who are commit crimes in far greater numbers than normal people!
Then you take that message and write it up and throw some quotes around on twitter and facebook, and random people who don't know shit see it and go "Whoa!", not knowing who Milo is but accept the quote because it either aligns with what they were kinda already thinking, or it's the first time they ever really started to think about this topic.
That's what Milo does. Informed people know he's full of shit, his target isn't us, what he does is mold his arguments and words into a reasonable enough context to plant seeds.
Not sure what Mahers point was when saying it's not unreasonable to want to protect girls from "confused" men. Was it the semantics that some men may be simply confused and not truly trans? Was it that all transgendered shouldn't be around kids? What's the connection of little girls and sexual identity anyway? Being in the same bathroom suddenly makes them predators and pedophiles? Was the greater point that liberals should just ignore the stupidity from this little piece of shit?
So many points left unanswered. I'm a big fan of Maher generally but I agree a ball was dropped here. I understand not taking the angry approach and fight over every little thing. But to not get a word in about some of these points seemed negligent and honestly unlike maher when it comes to other topics (like general republican stupidity)
So many points left unanswered. I'm a big fan of Maher generally but I agree a ball was dropped here. I understand not taking the angry approach and fight over every little thing. But to not get a word in about some of these points seemed negligent and honestly unlike maher when it comes to other topics (like general republican stupidity)
He damaged people because his people take him serious.
Its on all of us to take that serious.
Not always. Protesters have stopped others from speaking at college campuses without people like Maher showing up to let them spew their shit unchallenged.
I'm not going to stop supporting violent protests. The world would be in a much worse place without them.
Transphobic people aren't a small percentage.
Mammoth Jones
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Interview was softball as shit.
plagiarize
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The coverage of the violent protests put that book at the top of the amazon charts.
If the choice is having two happen NOW or eventually, I'll take eventually thank you.
He's following a playbook of causing as much controversy as possible to get a larger and larger platform.
Please read this article:
http://observer.com/2017/02/i-helpe...aybook-you-should-stop-playing-right-into-it/
Yeah let's just laugh it off the next time he paints a target on a trans individual, or directs his mob to harass someone for the crime of being an outspoken woman. It's just so damn funny, ha fucking ha.
Muffin1611
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"The kind of baggage that accompanied Hillary Clinton"? It's the kind of baggage every normal person would know it's the better choice over the views of Trump. The country didn't get caught sleeping, enough people ate the shit up his campaign said to them about Clinton being somehow even worse than Trump and either abstained from voting or voted third party and were fine with a Trump win or actively thought that the guy was a better option.
After ALL this shit happened you have the gall to say that there is nothing wrong with giving these people a platform because you see right through them, so obviously the rest of your nation will too?
Your country wasn't sleeping, a sizable part of it either didn't care or wanted to be governed by a fucking bigot. Stop pretending giving this shit a platform will somehow reveal these assholes for what they are, and not spread their bullshit even more.
plagiarize
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It's the *wrong* approach to a troll. I get why people don't want to admit how badly it backfired because in the moment the speech got cancelled it must have felt like a win, but I knew it wasn't. Not with this guy.
Please read the guardian piece I linked, and please consider what it says before disregarding it.
Why take him seriously? That's the exact reaction he wants. The dude is a joke. Why give him any kind of power? He's absurd.
DontBeThatGuy
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Maher isn't well equipped for this, he's not the best and brightest, not the most empathetic, and can be bit a douchebag himself. He only did Milo a favor here.
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