Boozeroony
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Even so, I fail to see why they fit the description.
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Milo Yiannopoulos's UC Berkeley speech cancelled due to protests, campus on lockdown
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Even so, I fail to see why they fit the description.
I agree, but unless I've missed something I don't think anyone is characterizing them as "decent" people".
capitalCORN
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So what exactly is lacking? A fucking genocide?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Screaming Meat
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Punching Nazis in the face is the very highest calling in life.
Picking through someone's post history with the specific intention of public humiliation/undermining them leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Just debate the guy's argument.
Only if someone is stupid, lying to themselves or lying to others. So........I don't agree it's a reasonable interpretation of the EO.
Boozeroony
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Bigots, racists, antisemite would do.
But if calling people nazi gives you a stiffy, be my guest.
Liberty4all
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I don't agree with the violent riots either.
capitalCORN
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You're right. Accountability is too much to ask for.
And what gap are you waiting to for call them nazis yourself?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-alt-right-1.3861873
MHWilliams
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Then, as I said, pick one or two posts related to the topic at hand. Post mining is frowned upon.
Can we all agree to stop responding to the concern troll.
Heavy's Sandvich
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#ATMlivesmatter
Where did I say it was good performance art or that he was actually funny? Or that it was for sure performance art and not him? Like I said, the things he says are obviously douchey as fuck, and of course he needs to take responsibility for what he's saying.
It's obvious he or his public persona or whatever is a chucklehead confused mother fucker, so yes, I agree with you that he's a piece of garbage. It's that when he's being interviewed, and there is pushback from the one interviewing him, you notice that he is full of contradictions. He is a contradiction. It makes him difficult to take seriously. He needs to be humiliated and get publicly wrecked (via wit, not violence) at this point, we can agree on that, right? It's all his supporters who don't think he's full of shit that are the problem.
This article is about how some time was spent with him and they reached the conclusion that he is primarily a troll to the core, but not a true believer of the alt right shit. But of course many of his fans are, and there's no doubt that he is fueling the fire, so it's clear he needs to get publicly pwned himself and go away for a while. But not attacked - that plays into what he wants.
And assuming that's not just a role he's playing, it makes him misguided as fuck and someone who obviously doesn't need a platform to speak, but lots of mental health treatment. As for making excuses for his behavior:
And that's all I really have to say on this right now, not interested in keep getting into drawn-out debates with people ITT I already agree with. Yes, Milo is a garbagemonster. He's like a walking, talking Hard Dawn.com article, only less funny.
NoLongerALurker
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God you just know Milo is kickin back and loving this. Does anybody have any idea how many subscribers Milo had on his YouTube channel before the riot? He's up to ~470,000 right now. Would like to know if he got a decent bump or not from this exposure.
Hoho for breakfast
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It's a shame so many are advocating some of this shit. Violence is only the answer to violence. Not because you disagree with someones words.
It's more like every fucking time.
But he just got told to stop doing them, so there's that at least
Screaming Meat
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You're right. Attacking him rather than his argument is a much better way.
🤔 Lmaoooo someone come get this boy
TestOfTide
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No it's me proving that you have a history of arguing in bad faith.
You basically complained that a Muslim developer speaking out against Trump's hateful EO.
But only one side is actually fascist.
Which means that when it comes to actual voting, you wouldn't have done anything to actually STOP the rise of far-right fascism.
It's relevant because it shows that you easily fall for some of the far-right's rhetoric, particularly their anti-establishment rhetoric.
I also like that you have no response to your waving away of the Russia stuff.
So on one hand you hate it when people paint broad brushes about all Trump supporters.
Yet you are willing to paint a broad brush about those that protested Milo at UC.
It's a ban whose entire purpose is to bar millions of Muslims from entering this country, regardless of whether or not they had already been vetted. Just because he doesn't have the power to make it into an explicit Muslim ban doesn't mean it isn't blatantly a ban against Muslims entering this country.
capitalCORN
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Did he make a character aspersion? He's highlighting a post history in relation to the topic at hand.
Screaming Meat
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The one-line summaries perhaps?
This spineless moderate / liberal neutrality is the exact reason why fascism is now at the top power position in the US. This veneer of neutrality is some bullshit as if this is some political game with one team versus another on equal grounds. Enjoy trying to reason with bigots who argue in bad faith while they're ready to put a knife to your throat.
Must be nice not to be the target of nazi shitstains like Milo.
Must be nice not to be the target of nazi shitstains like Milo.
Meh. I don't want to derail the topic.
MHWilliams
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A policy does not have to be ironclad to end up as a defacto ban.
This doesn't not have much to do with the topic of this thread.
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If folks don't pull back real soon, the banning will start. I'd prefer to clean up this thread without that, but I'm certainly not above it.
Most protests are peaceful, yet when something like this happens, people come out to lecture as if this is a common event, it isn't. Where are the same people when BLM are out marching peacefully and being branded as a hate group? So, honestly, I find decries of violence to be a little disingenuous because the same response isn't granted to peaceful activism.
Leslie Jones begged peacefully to be left alone and guess what happened to her? Milo terrorized her with anti-black racism. He's a terrorist, he shouldn't be allowed on campuses. It's not an issue of free speech. Anyone arguing that he should have a platform to "debate with" is supporting harassment whether they want to admit it or not.
I really wish I lived in the type of world where education and civil debate changed minds but we literally have Donald Trump as President and a rise in radical white men.
To be honest, a lot of people in this thread don't have life experience and are not well versed with civil rights...and should use this month, Black History Month to brush up on history.
Leslie Jones begged peacefully to be left alone and guess what happened to her? Milo terrorized her with anti-black racism. He's a terrorist, he shouldn't be allowed on campuses. It's not an issue of free speech. Anyone arguing that he should have a platform to "debate with" is supporting harassment whether they want to admit it or not.
I really wish I lived in the type of world where education and civil debate changed minds but we literally have Donald Trump as President and a rise in radical white men.
To be honest, a lot of people in this thread don't have life experience and are not well versed with civil rights...and should use this month, Black History Month to brush up on history.
legacyzero
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I mean, free speech is free speech. Hate speech is vile as fuck, but the way I see it- His first Amendment right covers his speech as much as my 6th Amendment protects your right to a fair trial after You punch him in the face.
Everybody wins.
Everybody wins.
Boozeroony
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Are ISIS nazi? I mean, they meet some of the criteria.
Crossing Eden
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dave is ok
aztek is ok
If anything it proves that you have no interest in arguing in good faith.
Hey look! A receipt! You saying to shame and humiliate someone rather than discuss something!
Did I do it right? Should I have posted more memes with it?
I don't agree with Phil0sophy on a lot of things, but I'd rather discuss it then try and incite the thread to dogpile him based on sensationalist descriptions of past posts.
Amazing
ultratruman
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The Left is in an extremely insecure place right now, I think this thread proves that. The sad thing is, instead of upholding common decency, they are either neurotically trying to regulate social life with politically correct rules or throwing away the rules entirely. This is the kind of stuff that ensure Trump has no strong opposition in 2020.
Veritigo_X
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Giuliani said on air that Trump called him for advice on how to do the Muslim Ban legally and the current EO is what they came up with. All you're doing is providing cover for the Trump Administration and their bullshit by echoing their talking points. Why are you doing that?
Boozeroony
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You misread my post. But go on.
Barely any of the posts relate to the topic at had and most are inaccurately characterized in his post. He's relying on people not actually reading the posts and taking his summaries at face value. The only poster in this thread clearly arguing in bad faith is TestofTide
It's not a Muslim ban, it's just a policy that happens to align with the stated goal of enforcing a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" targeting predominantly Muslim countries while not applying to Christians, or Jews, or Hindus, or Buddhists, or, or, or...
this is the same level of argument as "you can't be racist against muslims because islam isn't a race".
when people in america think "muslim" they picture a brown person from the middle east. you can be racist against that. you can implement a muslim ban that doesn't include indonesia by banning brown people from the middle east. trump started this process by going to his people and saying "give me a muslim ban that has some amount of plausible deniability". it's a muslim ban and to argue otherwise is fucking idiocy.
capitalCORN
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TestOfTide
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The difference is that I'm fully prepared to justify my posts and have not argued in bad faith.
Ok. I'll keep it strictly to posts related to the topic for next time.
Crossing Eden
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Dude was literally openly wearing a nazi symbol. Works on a literal daily basis with nazis. FFS I should be expecting this sort of "are they really nazis" bullshit after Richard Spencer's nazism was questioned whilst he was sporting a literal nazi haircut. Also, can somebody edit this to say, "not a nazi, but with nazis."
because that's what breibart is. If you wanna genuinely argue the semantics of using the terms to describe people who say incredibly anti-semitic things whilst working with people who're openly neonazis, then go ahead.
And YOU, stop it with the bothsides™ bullshit. The right literally and rarely has anything pertinent to say, so you'd save yourself a lot of time, energy, and braincells not reading whatever they have to say about any topic, look at what's happening, one side is actively against human rights, there's zero reason to give that shit a platform by considering their stances to be reasonable or informative in anyway shape or form.
Just read the first 3 posts described as defending hate speech.
TestOfTide
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So your "response" is to bring up the fact that I have CONSISTENTLY taken a firm stance against alt-right and far-right?
Did it ever occur to you that I gave that advice because it WORKS?
How about you prove it by spending more time opposing the things you claim to oppose than complaining about the methods others are opposing the alt-right and far-right?
Glass Shark
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It is absolutely true that the waters are becoming murky, and that's what's so dangerous about it. The line where "Nazi" ends and "extreme right wing" begins is harder and harder to locate every day. Here's my take, and others are welcome to disagree:
When the President of the United States appoints Stephen Bannon, a radical right-wing fanatic who believes in white supremacy and religious wars between Christianity and Islam, to his National Security Council, that is an implication to me that the President supports (either explicitly or tacitly) those same ideals. And thus, Trump's supporters do as well. At which point, those red caps start looking more and more like swastika armbands every day.
It also just ignores everything Donald Trump has done and said. Just taking things for the technicality of what they are without any consideration of other EOs, or things Donald Trump or people around him have done and said. It's like the latest EO about Religious Freedom. I'm sure some could make the argument it's not about gay folks because it's about "Religion" it's there in the title! I do wonder if there is going to be a point where certain people stop and think, gee, maybe Trump really is a horrible human being that means these things. I guess they are waiting for a statement from Trump himself. Yes I hate Brown people. You can now start believing that I do.
Anyway, I don't know if Milo is a true Neonazi or not, but he's a horrible human being that spews hate speech and that's enough for me to agree with people silencing him.
Boozeroony
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Dude was literally openly wearing a nazi symbol. Works on a literal daily basis with nazis. FFS I should be expecting this sort of "are they really nazis" bullshit after Richard Spencer's nazism was questioned whilst he was sporting a literal nazi haircut. Also, can somebody edit this to say, "not a nazi, but with nazis."
because that's what breibart is.
They are racists, bigots and horrible people as I stated in my (misread by you) post. I fail to see the need to label them as nazi. It is a label that is ill-suited when better descriptions are available: racists, bigots, assholes and cunts.
Wearing a che guevara t-shirt doesnt make me a commie.
Screaming Meat
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If you read the summaries and then the posts they don't quite tally up. Plus, they're not strictly relevant to this topic. To be clear, I don't agree with much of anything Philosophy has said here or in the past.
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