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Milo Yiannopoulos's UC Berkeley speech cancelled due to protests, campus on lockdown
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excelsiorlef
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I don't know what you want me to say. There's an asshole in the crowd swinging a pole, should I condemn the American left or something?
Puck Beaverton
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I mean, I doubt you will ever get rid of fascism.
BoosterDuck
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I could've said the same thing during the Boston Tea Party "You're letting the asshole British get more publicity so that their sympathizers will support them more!"
if word goes out that people keep destroying campus property then the Republican Groups in other schools are going to think twice about inviting Milo, and they'll start having to show accountability for their decisions
I'm calling bullshit on this, or you're not actually hearing what you're saying. There should at not point be conflicted about punching (a thrusting blow, especially with the fist) a nazi. (the "hey genocide is cool" guys.)
Chie Satonaka
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I'm sure they'll be more than a few people willing to take one for the team as things continue to progress the way they are.
Lolol I am done. Some of you are just willfully dense.
Then what is your solution? Talking to people like Milo and his supporters doesn't work. How do you solve this when his unchecked rhetoric bolsters violence against the marginalized?
If you're a free speech advocate, then that means you support protests shutting down the feasibility for a person to espouse their views, because opposition to certain messages is also free speech.
If you think these protests are wrong, then you are not a free speech advocate. You're an advocate for the propagation of hate speech.
If you think these protests are wrong, then you are not a free speech advocate. You're an advocate for the propagation of hate speech.
You're right, the University does have the final say, and the governing body here decided that it would be hypocritical of us to be place of origin of the Free Speech Movement and at the same time not allow this ass hat name Milo to talk, if invited by some student entity on campus. We can debate whether or not the campus made the right move in allowing him to talk or campus or not, but I largely agree with the Uni's decision, as much as I hate that scumbag.
again, you have to be caught first lol
Should his hate be given a platform?
excelsiorlef
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Well he once dedicated a segment of his speech to specfically target and harass a trans woman who was a student. Had slides with her pictures all over it.
But yeah he's a big fan of respectful dialogue /s
yeah, milo is laughing all the way to the bank now. the more people go crazy the more books this guy is going to sell.
instead of letting him speak where you could appose him and ask pointed questions to make him look stupid, nope. riot, vandalize, and get him canceled is the better option?????
then they'll wonder why he's selling millions of books and making so much money.
LudicrousSpeed
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We can have meaningful debate, but like anything else there are a couple of ground rules. And "Nazis fuck off" is inherently one of those ground rules, because there is nothing to debate with a Nazi. Their ideology represents a promise of immense violence and there is no room for allowing that violence to be advocated.
you know damn well this would never ever happen. please stop concern trolling.
Milo has used these speeches to insult specific students at these institutions. It's not about his views. It's about him being a gigantic cunt.
orthodoxy1095
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Well, yes? I suppose that's true. The fight for democratic ideals and the fight against fascism will never end. The avenue to provide a bulwark against fascism to weave distrust of fascist, populist and authoritarian rhetoric back into the very fabric of our nation. Civic education needs a serious overhaul.
The Silver
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it escalated because we live in a country that has allowed people like Steve fucking Bannon to take control over it. It escalated because people don't see it through the lens of "just another opinion" they see it through the lens of "these people see us as sub human and are now in power and growing".
Chie Satonaka
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Since you insist on calling this a free speech issue, I'd like for you to show me the government persecution that Milo has faced as a result of his hateful rhetoric.
BoosterDuck
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Milo's going to be making money either way, but at least these protests will show other campuses and school groups what will happen if they keep letting people like Milo speak at these places.
he's been on debate shows before but go ahead, continue to make him rich.
The Wikipedia article on anti-fascism has a decent overview.
Come on, now you're just being dishonest. The Boston Tea Party incident was an act of oppression by the then greatest empire known to man. To say this is even comparable is just silly.
Also the destruction of property is likely to be from the local anarchist group or some other group not affiliated with the campus. You're could be right that it sends out a message to other schools in allowing Milo on campus to speak, but we'll see if that will be the outcome in the future.
Why don't you try it and report back? lol
excelsiorlef
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Ahh Ian Miles Cheong.
The guy who was anti-GG and harassed by GG until Anita criticized a game he liked which made him apologize to his harassers, and advertise his shitty gaming site to them, and start railing against feminists and SJWs
SodiumBenzoate
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Hate speech is free speech.
Eugene Volokh:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/
A pretty good list of supreme Court cases:
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/freespeech/tp/Hate-Speech-Cases.htm
It looks like there was a serious danger to public safety so the campus definitely had the right to cancel the speech tonight, but no one can seriously make the argument he has no right to even be scheduled at a taxpayer funded university in good faith.
FinalStageBoss
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Defense out in full force
Crayon
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Think about our situation here. Things are going to happen that have no good outcome. Lots of things.
there were enough students at the university that wanted him to speak and he should have been allowed to speak regardless if people are offended.
if you continue down this road when will it stop? anyone can be offended, therefore everyone can be denied to speak if enough people are "bothered" by it.
this wasn't just protest, this was violent protesting enough to get someone canceled. this sends a terrible message.
Lecture concern police.
Not really. It only uses the term "antifa" about some UK anarchists.
it's absolutely an actual thing; it's a movement opposed to fascism that dates back to, well, the conception of fascism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
BoosterDuck
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because if other campuses and groups start catching wind of Milo being allowed to spread his hateful rhetoric then he'll start to get normalized and people who share his views will become more emboldened
Richard Spencer be like: I hate Jews and I think they should be exterminated.
Everybody else be like: You should treat people with dignity and respect.
If you genuinely think both of these viewpoints deserve equal consideration, you might have a learning disability or something.
It is free speech. I don't see the government intervening at all in this particular case do you? Nope, seems his right to free speech wasn't stopped.
If he comes to the university to specifically target and harass individual students of that university, then yeah, you can make that argument.
"Just a difference on opinion" I bet that's the translation
And this is how you deal with them
Ampersands
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The solution is to give them as little attention as possible. If you can't ban them, don't give them any more attention. They've managed to weasel their way into this society and there's no easy way to get rid of them. Remind you of any other extremist groups?
The amount of news vans and helicopters I saw here around noon was sick. They were hoping for something like this and the protestors played right into their hands.
Free speech isnt the same as saying whatever you want to whoever you want, wherever you want.
Some people won't want to deal with your shit.
The government isn't stopping Milo from speaking freely.
But this is a bunch of Europeans? Is it really the case that Berkeley students are... what? On Swedish listservs?
excelsiorlef
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Lol @ you too.
RedAssedApe
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Unfortunately this seems to be the case. Milo's visit to UCLA got cancelled too and the campus club put out this letter...
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