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[YesNOnoNOYes]

OK

so i did some backtracking again and i found another thing we can chew on for a bit. it's just a quirky little thing but might be worth looking into as part of a bigger picture of each player's thrust....

Spoiler

hehe i said thrust

this is a rough register of who reported peeks plus their stances towards the peeking plan in D1:

• skyodin (middlegrounder) - peeked cabot
• ty4on (propeek) - peeked L_P
• splinter (initially against peek) - peeked terra
• cabot (propeek) - peeked sophia
• kawl (propeek) - peeked stanley
• yeenz (propeek) - peeked splinter
• fireblend (latecomer, no stance) - not reported peek (catvoca was a middlegrounder, as an additional note)
• melonrabbit (middlegrounder) - not reported peek
• sophia (initially against peek) - not reported peek
• stanleypalmtree (propeek) - not reported peek
• terrabyte20xx (propeek) - not reported peek

i understand the cop had been night killed but to me, it is interesting that some propeek people haven't actually committed to the plan

also, we are in mini mafia, people! and there's only 24 hours in each phase so i'd love it if everyone has an active vote on someone at any given time. it's not only a just in case you cant make it towards the end time but also it'll always give town an indication of where you're at.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Wanted to look at the situation of the day before my iso of Hyper was posted and shortly there after heading into days end.

Noteworthy stuff beyond the peeking discussion:
Ynny had put together a pretty large and substantive post herself regarding melonrabbit and why she felt that she was scum.

A couple of unvotes.

I throw down my post.

At the same time Ty puts his top 4 town, and lists melon as top scum and votes her.

Sophia comments yn's case is compelling but no vote. Also disagrees with Catvoca's assestment of Ty.

Melon, defends herself from yn and stands by scum reading LP.

What generally happens after this is some more discussion of LP by Sophia and Fireblend who replaces in at the top of the next page. There's some murmurs of agreement with my post from the likes of Cabot and Sophia (and I believe Ty) but by the time Hyper shows up to rebut the argument my vote is still the only one on him. Granted the vote leaders at the time only had 2, but there had been no one bold enough to also jump on the case. Hyper shows up and we start having a lively back and forth which is not very convincing to many at the time.

(Notably, Splinter shows up and is clear in his opinion that my argument is bunk and that he sees no need to read a point by point rebuttal of an argument he doesn't agree with. said post gives me a town lean on Splinter. Doesn't feel like thats how Splinter plays it if he knows that Hyper is scum and has any chance of flipping today.)

Sophia finally joins me in voting Hyper after being pushed by Sky Odin. I think some were smelling a hyper lynch in the air, but it certainly doesn't feel like a sure thing. This doesn't feel like a bus to me.

With that the votes sit at terra, melon, hyper and lone_prodigy (each at 2 votes).

Yn jumps on the hyper train saying she is fine with him or terra. (dependent on terra's flip, town points to Yn)

This scares Sophia into unvoting. I know Splinter has put forth this is scum getting cold feet but this seems like skittish town afraid of a too easy bandwagoning forming to me.

Sophia gets back on the vote while Splinter has voted Terra to make things 3-3 pushing us into a 2 candidate situation instead of a 3.

Terra and hyper each vote each other, 4-4 and further into a horse race situation.

Sky comes on Terra to make it 5-4. Remember 7 is majority (even though no hammer) so this vote is pretty big.

Splinter flips to make it 5-4 Hyper. Fire follows up thinking its a tie making it 6-4.

Cabbie is finally spooked into voting for Hyper due to SkyOdin's vote.

Ty finally decides to switch off his hard read of Melon and onto Hyper (who he now claims he was scum reading all day by the by).

Fireblend switches back to LP and Melonrabbit ends the day with a ceremonial vote on Hyperactivity.

People I feel better about from this reread: Ynny, Splinter, Sophia.
People I feel worse about from this reread: Ty, SkyOdin.

 

[Kawl_USC]

I could possibly see a SkyOdin, Ty4on, Hyper scum team.

For now I'll

Vote: SkyOdin

as I believe his flip will give more insight in the case of being town than if Ty is lynched and turns up town.

 

[Kawl_USC]

I'm not gonna lie, if L_P flipped town, I'd be more interested in melon and Fire.

Both not great reads (as catvoca) though it seems a little early to do a scum bandwagon.

Hey bud, L_P flipped town.

You mentioned that melon is your number two suspect behind Sky so cool, but did you end up softening on Fire or what?

 

[Kawl_USC]

Yeah, no. For one, there wasn't much to talk about early game, of course we're going to discuss the idea Kawl brought up. And afterwards I was gone



What Ty4on said here is correct. You actually saying something, or is this just some bs "gut read" you'll never act on

These two points are addressed at Melon, and essentially calls for melon to put up or shut up with her vote, at a time when the only vote on hyper is me. This doesn't have the feel of W/W to me.

I'm leaning softer on Melon after this and a few other interactions with people who I think are suspicious (that SkyOdin one is the other that comes to mind immediately).

 

[Sophia]

I could possibly see a SkyOdin, Ty4on, Hyper scum team.

For now I'll

Vote: SkyOdin

as I believe his flip will give more insight in the case of being town than if Ty is lynched and turns up town.

Hmm... Ty4on as scum huh? I argued against Catvoca's case that Ty4on was under the radar a bit. He put himself out there for your peeking plan, and he did engage in a bit of scum hunting.

There was his jump from melon to hyper tho.

He also called Terra a strong town read, which I disagreed with significantly at the time. There was very little of substance from Terra and it felt like coasting. I also find myself agreeing with Ynnny's sentiment expressed here that his justifications for low activity seems like an excuse.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Ok so I have mostly caught up. Regarding the peeking convo which seems to have died off, I'm in favor of it. If I was cop, I'd also be in favor of it (mostly because I'm curious to see it put in practice, I also followed Sorian's classificatory game and was curious about it).

No huge reads so far, except that I doubt Ynny would play so erratically if she was scum. I tend to read people playing "non-conservatively" as town or neutrals, because I try to play cautiously when part of a scum team. Then again she's like that most of the time so eh. I also see Sophia is going all in on detective mode, no read from that yet.

I'm gonna

Vote: Lone_Prodigy

because that's what's "in" nowadays it seems. Would you mind giving reasons for your scum reads, L_P?

This votes super weird though. Says it's what in but the only other vote on LP was melonrabbit, which was made almost 100 posts before this, with like 6 or 7 other votes in the interim. Later scrambles together some justification for the vote and swings back around there at days end. Don't know if this is even leaning wolf for me but it just seemed weird.

 

[SkyOdin]

To be honest, I thought I was actually creating a tie, not breaking a tie when I made my post. You have to recall that the thread was moving fast during that last hour of the game. When I started making my post, it was still tied 3-3. When I was rereading and double-checking information, I noticed that someone had voted for but I didn't have time to get fully caught up on the current vote tallies.

When I started making my post, I had considered voting L_P to intentionally create a three-way tie, which I thought might make more people chime in with their votes. It was probably a bad idea in hindsight, but the tide of activity rendered it moot anyways.

At the end, I was just in a bit of a panic to weigh which of the two options was scummier to me, and I still think Terra is pretty scummy. I was obviously wrong about Hyper, but I haven't claimed to be actually good at Mafia at any point.

Anyways, what information do you think my corpse would provide, Kawl? If I have to die to get it, I would hope that it would be useful.

 

[SkyOdin]

Anyways, my feeling is that scum hoped on the Hyper vote when it became clear that the tide was going in that direction. I need to double check the votes when I get back to my computer. Posting on mobile is annoying.

 

[Sophia]

Anyways, my feeling is that scum hoped on the Hyper vote when it became clear that the tide was going in that direction. I need to double check the votes when I get back to my computer. Posting on mobile is annoying.

Elephant in the room, but yeah, I think it's a given.. Within a period of about four minutes, we had Splinter (post 421), Fireblend (post 422 although he jumped off) cabot (post 428), and Ty4on (post 429) all jump on it.

 

[Kawl_USC]

My suspicion of Ty4on comes from the differences I'm seeing in his posturing and words and recollection of events and what his vote says.

His posts from this day phase paint me a different picture of how convinced he was of my case concerning Hyper. From the way he says it today:

I don't remember my exact read of Hyper, but I'm pretty sure Kawl had already been scum reading him a bit which affected me.

I felt pretty confident you were scum back then and wanted to ask you that hoping that Hyper was a scum partner or that your post would give us good info after either of you flipped.

Scum often avoids communicating with themselves so I wanted to force it.

I was generally more suspicious of Hyper than I said out loud. Thinking back the read on him was "shallow" (I didn't go through his posts in detail) so I wasn't as confident in it. I think I was especially arrogant when I made that post and thinking you were both scum.

and

I asked melon about Hyper thinking they could be scum mates.

Like I thought back then I think it looks scummy. As if she wants to throw some shade to distance herself, but not enough to make the situation worse for Hyper.

-----------------------

You would think this sucker was all about him an hyper lynch.

But my review of the reaction from day 1 doesn't quite match up with that. In fact his question asking Melon what she thinks of Hyper comes just 6 minutes after he had posted that he "would really try to make it through" the mega post even though he was tired.

I find it hard to believe that he had already digested enough of it and determined that Hyper was suspicious and that melon was totes his wolfbro. I had listed Hyper as one of my top scum waaay earlier in the game but it was literally just a response of him and cabot with no justification, so I doubt that had stuck in Ty's mind for any reason.

His next real post is

What do you think of Kawl?

I skipped over the part where you mentioned calling out Kawl for blending. I can see that, he's by no means locked town, it just seems like a big change to suddenly lead discussion.

Question cabot as to what he thinks of me. Don't think that would line up with my post getting all up in his head making him feel bad thoughts about hyper. If he's still scum reading hyper does he think I'm bussing hardcore already, or is he trying to suss out where town is going to fall between the two of us?


He's lukewarm and agrees with some of my points in the following few hours as he is making his way through my post. This is kind of the biggest instance of him straight up agreeing with my post and bolstering it with some of his own thoughts:

When I first read this I found it was a bit scummy that he didn't read my post, but got caught in some WIFOM because I didn't skip posts in DP.

Spoiler

Except long posts by my mates...

Second thought though, why is he finding a problem instead of solving it? I could read that as trying to challenge your theory for the sake of challenging it instead of trying to come up with a better strat for town.

Following this he just kind of gets into it with Splinter over his defense of hyper, Splinters post saying he agrees with cabot but null reading hyper (cabot had come out as suspicious of hyper at this time). Here:

Why?

Just that? No examples?

Little weird to be agreeing with cabot and null reading Hyper.

I find it interesting that you didn't realize that he was replying to Hyper's post here:


cabot hasn't been town reading Kawl, but he has generally agreed with him:

Seemed kinda obvious in context he was referring to Hyper and not Kawl.

He then posts this:

I'd rather vote for melon or Splinter, but I wouldn't mind a Hyper lynch.

Nah, I want a scum lynch on D1.
Vote L_P if you think he's scum. He's nullish to me, the things I've read look OK.

Melon sure that lines up with what he is peddling now, but Splinter I don't think so.

Also has all of his suspicion of Splinter dropped off today? I don't recall reading anything lately from him on it.

Next some light friction with Hyper (still no vote though):

What does this mean?

Terra looks town (haven't seen scum Terra) yet he's a good lynch candidate?

Post directed to Sophia:

If Yeeny is scum:
-Hyper is scum - She's just bussing the likely candidate
-Hyper is town - She's just bandwagoning

What's giving you pause?

I'm not sure I agree that at this point Hyper was the likely candidate, I think there was still some wiggle room here, but I also know that scum tends to be more pessimistic about their odds of an incoming scum lynch.

20 minutes before the deadline it is a tie 3-3 between Hyper and Terra. If as he says Ty4on had been scum reading Hyper for a while, so much so that he was interested in how scumbros Melon and Hyper interacted, why would he not vote for Hyper yet?

In fact it take 6 more votes being casts before Ty4on finally chimes in. The last real vote to be placed but barely any less ceremonial than Melon's vote 3 minutes later.

Also nicely done towards day end is establishing conflicting narrative and friction between SkyOdin and Ty. Would not surprise me if Ty read the room in reaction to Sky's vote on terra and decided to take advantage of it. We all know Ty is a skilled enough scum member to do so.

Moving on to today:

Me too. Sky is almost too obvious with his tiebreaker and in the initial posts about peeking:

Just like Hyper he looked more like someone trying to dismantle the strategy than someone trying to input useful advice.

Some more posturing and establishing likeness between Sky and Hyper and yet mysteriously still no vote today.

The quotes I started with to establish his narrative pushing him as a leading doubter of Hyper come after this one. And yet he instead seems to be softening on Melon instead today. Which doesn't really align with his proposed explanation for Day 1. Something seems a bit kinky.

Tired, just before sleep thoughts:

-I could see scum killing L_P hoping his flip would put pressure on those suspicious of him like melonrabbit. It's a little weird for a scum team she's on to be killing him.

-I want to really read over Sophia when I get the chance and energy. I haven't really scum read her, but she seemed a little off when she hit the stage. Felt colder and more analytical.

I'd find this pretty funny if scum team was him and melon instead of him and sky, but any who, also throwing some shade at Sophia while not going out on a scum read branch. (which I just did up above with Fireblend lol)

Why did you read over that part when Hyper had already flipped scum?

Some weak visible friction with Sky.

Yea, I'd say I don't feel great about Ty looking over all this.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Oh and for those coming in later, if you only read one of those big posts read the Ty related one

Spoiler

(and cabot's favorite self analysis)

. The first one is just maths related wankery really. The second I think a decent recap of how the day shook out with regards to votes following my big hyper post on page 3. So feel free to read it if you want a refresher.

Sorry for those who dislike big posts ; ;

 

[Kawl_USC]

But yea my vote is currently on Sky because I think he made the clearer move trying to save Hyper as the scum new guy, scum vet Ty read the room and took advantage of the feedback that vote got. I just think the case for Sky is clearer cut than the one for Ty so no mega post needed.

 

[Sophia]

If SkyOdin is lynched, and flips scum, it gives us strong reads on not just Ty4on (see here) but also gives us a read on Splinter depending on how he votes. It also means that cabot is very likely not mafia, given his vote on Hyper, his vote on Sky, and his reason for doing so.

 

[melonrabbit]

I don't remember my exact read of Hyper, but I'm pretty sure Kawl had already been scum reading him a bit which affected me.
I felt pretty confident you were scum back then and wanted to ask you that hoping that Hyper was a scum partner or that your post would give us good info after either of you flipped.
Scum often avoids communicating with themselves so I wanted to force it.
I was generally more suspicious of Hyper than I said out loud. Thinking back the read on him was "shallow" (I didn't go through his posts in detail) so I wasn't as confident in it. I think I was especially arrogant when I made that post and thinking you were both scum.

Hmmm. I guess I find it odd how you to ask my opinion on hyper and then flip it around as a scum-tell because I had a shallow read on him when you yourself have just admitted to having the same. Like you wanted to link us.

Also, you asked for my gut feeling but then criticized it as being uncommitted and distanced, and yes both are true. (1) I was already engaged with LP and committed there and (2) I was distanced because I was short on time because of work and therefore distracted (wish you knew because)

Add this with my D1 becoming a complete fiasco and that LP was NK'd it is starting to seem like someone is setting me up. I don't think it is unreasonable to say you are a player with the kind of skilled needed to make this gambit possible. My fumble is your advantage.

vote: Ty4on

 

[SkyOdin]

I decided to go back and analyze the events that lead up to the lynch yesterday. When I did, this jumped out at me:

And just like that, Sophia is easily convinced back to voting me

Looks like I have no choice

VOTE: Terrabyte20xx

ynnn, if you meant to break the tie, why go for me? If you're unaware of the situation at hand, wouldn't you rather go for the safer vote and vote for one of the lower activity players? Or is one of your scum mates in that pile?

I highly doubt ynny would be bussing me if she's scum. She had 4 targets to choose from in that group.

Feels like scum is taking the opportunity to eliminate a player that posts alot while protecting one of their buddies that's in danger of being lynched

Welp, since it's down to Hyper and me:

VOTE: Hyperactivity

These two posts were made awfully close to each other. Furthermore, this is pretty much the only interaction between these two during the final hours of the vote. I can't help but notice what appears to be a certain reluctance between the two to vote for each other. They never actually argue for the lynch of the other candidate, even in an attempt to stay alive. Normally, you would expect a mafioso like Hyper to go all out on Terra and swing more votes in that direction. However, Hyper instead opts to try to swing suspicion onto the people voting for him. Terrabyte just slinks into the background for the most part. Even their phrasing has a hesitancy to their votes.

The truth is that we haven't exonerated Terrabyte from any of the suspicion over him yet. Just because Hyperactivity was scum doesn't mean that Terra was town. We might have been lucky and got a choice between two scum on Day 1. At that point, it makes sense for the two to distance themselves from each other. They couldn't have both put their votes on cabot or L_P without raising some suspicion towards a link between them.

I think it is worth putting some more pressure on Terra over this, and my earlier feelings that he has been acting scummy have certainly not gone away, so, without further ado:

Vote: Terrabyte20xx

However, when I was going back to understand how it ended up as Terra vs. Hyper in the first place, I had trouble figuring out exactly why Terra ended up in that position. Cabot was the first person to vote for Terrabyte, but he didn't explicitly outline any reasoning. I suppose it may have been a pressure vote, but he didn't say. I suppose cabot can explain his thoughts in mor detail now. Stanley was the second vote, but I couldn't find a post where he outlines his reasons either. Several people had read Terra as acting scummy, but I am not sure why Stanley voted for him. The point where the vote for Terra really tips is much later though, when *Splinter makes this post:

Hmm, of the top 4:

Hyper - null
Melon - leaning town
LP - I don't remember much from him, but nothing has stood out as bad except maybe for bringing me up and then dropping it in the same post. He did at least elaborate on that though (when questioned by Sophia)
Terra - hmm, another null

For now, something for people to complain about:
VOTE: Terrabyte20xx

It... isn't a very decisive or illuminating post. A null read on both Hyper and Terra, and not much of read on LP. Yet, *Splinter picks Terra for unclear reasons. It is a suspicious move.

It's Hyper 3-3 Terra

*unintelligible noises of tiredness*

hello
iv had a moment to skim through the thread, wasnt able to go in on the huger posts (hopefully they were full of the usual hot air).
right now, i see no reason to move my vote on terra.

happy lynching everyone.

something something stanarcy

Both Stanley and cabot check in after the vote is tied up. Stanley sticks to his vote, while cabot implicitly stands by his vote. However....

One thing I disagree with Cabot on is his insistence on not lynching the highly active. In every other game I'd agree, but it doesn't look like it needs to be a consideration here.

Since he is a player hat would usually benefit from that line of thinking, it seems a little scummy as well (although not enough to override my read on him).

Hyper, on the other hand, is a null read who has been leaning on this as a defense.

VOTE: Hyperactivity

Hell you had like 2 hours since you said you were here and didn't do anything apart from say you'll 'read into others posts'

How'd that go?

VOTE: Hyperactivity

SkyOdin voting on Terra is enough for me to seal this deal.

In the last moments, both cabot and *Splinter bail on their Terrabyte votes, and switch to Hyperactivity. Neither of them mention Terrabyte in the their reasoning at all.

So, I would like to hear from several of you: do you still think Terrabyte is scum? Why did you place your votes on Terrabyte? Have you changed your opinions on Terrabyte enough to consider him town? Why switch votes to Hyper at the last second when Hyper was already in the lead ?

 

[Fireblend]

Hey guys, I had some unannounced visitors so I had to leave for a while. Here's some stray thoughts from what I've read to catch up.

lets play mafia to unwind~

Ha, haha, hahahahaa

• fireblend (latecomer, no stance) - not reported peek (catvoca was a middlegrounder, as an additional note)

I was propeek, for what it's worth. It's my second post IIRC.

also, we are in mini mafia, people! and there's only 24 hours in each phase so i'd love it if everyone has an active vote on someone at any given time. it's not only a just in case you cant make it towards the end time but also it'll always give town an indication of where you're at.

I know I'm gonna be here for the next end of day, but regardless, this is a fair point.

Vote: Sophia

Partly I'm suspicious of you, and partly I want to see what people do with this vote. Will they question it, defend, support? I mostly agree with SkyOdin/Melon as potential scum but again, I don't think sitting on either of them is going to yield more info.

This votes super weird though. Says it's what in but the only other vote on LP was melonrabbit, which was made almost 100 posts before this, with like 6 or 7 other votes in the interim. Later scrambles together some justification for the vote and swings back around there at days end. Don't know if this is even leaning wolf for me but it just seemed weird.

I wasn't referring to the votes, which you are right to point out were mostly non-existent apart from a lone vote from melonrabbit. At the time I was looking to vote for someone that I knew was available (I did join the game 4 hours before day end) and would provide some reactions/back and forth before the end of the day so I could maybe be of some use in that timespan. Just before my vote both Sophia and Melon were arguing with L_P so I knew he was around.

 

[SkyOdin]

But yea my vote is currently on Sky because I think he made the clearer move trying to save Hyper as the scum new guy, scum vet Ty read the room and took advantage of the feedback that vote got. I just think the case for Sky is clearer cut than the one for Ty so no mega post needed.

Look, I am a mafia newbie, not a complete idiot. Trying to save a fellow scum in such a blatant move is the sort of mistake even I wouldn't make.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Ha, haha, hahahahaa

hehehehe :>

I was propeek, for what it's worth. It's my second post IIRC.

ah ok! cool, thanks for correction febe :>

.... so why didn't you report any peek if you were propeek? *curious*

 

[Fireblend]

hehehehe :>



ah ok! cool, thanks for correction febe :>

.... so why didn't you report any peek if you were propeek? *curious*

I thought the peek strategy only works when the cop is alive? If not, who are we potentially covering for with the peeks? >_>

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

I thought the peek strategy only works when the cop is alive? If not, who are we potentially covering for with the peeks? >_>

there may yet be another cop, apparently

slim chances, but if i was following the mechanic discussion correctly, there may yet be a 1-shot cop or somesuch.

 

[Fireblend]

there may yet be another cop, apparently

slim chances, but if i was following the mechanic discussion correctly, there may yet be a 1-shot cop or somesuch.

Yeah, I haven't read the C9 thingy thoroughly so I wasn't aware when the day started. Obviously there's no point to me providing a peek right now. Unless this is some genius play by Fireblend the one-shot cop?!?!

Spoiler

It probably isn't

Spoiler

But what if it is :O gasp omg wow

 

[melonrabbit]

Vote: Sophia

Partly I'm suspicious of you, and partly I want to see what people do with this vote. Will they question it, defend, support? I mostly agree with SkyOdin/Melon as potential scum but again, I don't think sitting on either of them is going to yield more info.
.

OK. I'll question this. None of my interactions with her in this thread have given me that impression. She does question people or use out of the box thinking but I think that, as you say, is more to yield information than anything else. She isn't shying away from discussion and keeps the game activity high. Do you have an specifics or it is more of a feeling?

 

[Fireblend]

OK. I'll question this. None of my interactions with her in this thread have given me that impression. She does question people or use out of the box thinking but I think that, as you say, is more to yield information than anything else. She isn't shying away from discussion and keeps the game activity high. Do you have an specifics or it is more of a feeling?

I posted about it before I had to disappear from the thread. It's partly a gut feeling but I don't think it's completely preposterous either and it isn't 100% a hunch. Sophia is an great player and I could see her playing a good scum game. No reason to be shy about gut feelings right now and just sit on some of the safe choices when I know I'll be here for the end of the day.

 

[SkyOdin]

I could possibly see a SkyOdin, Ty4on, Hyper scum team.

For now I'll

Vote: SkyOdin

as I believe his flip will give more insight in the case of being town than if Ty is lynched and turns up town.

If SkyOdin is lynched, and flips scum, it gives us strong reads on not just Ty4on (see here) but also gives us a read on Splinter depending on how he votes. It also means that cabot is very likely not mafia, given his vote on Hyper, his vote on Sky, and his reason for doing so.

You both talk about what you will learn from my flip, but I am still really unclear what will happen when the reality of my town flip sets in. Sophia, you just list what we can gain from my theoretical scum flip, but you don't mention what you would learn from my town flip. Kawl, you mention that there is a lot to learn from my town flip, but you don't say what that is.

At this point, I am getting more frustrated with how heavily you two are tunneling in on me than I am at the fact that you are intending to lynch me. Listen, at this rate, you are going to lynch me, and I am going to flip town. Under that scenario, how does my sacrifice help town? Shouldn't we be at least exploring other possibilities more seriously? We don't have a lot of time, and if we waste it all lynching me, then we won't be any further ahead on day 3.

 

[Sophia]

I'm heading off to bed soonish. I'll be back at around 10:30 AM Eastern US time, and should be here for the day finale providing nothing comes up.

I posted about it before I had to disappear from the thread. It's partly a gut feeling but I don't think it's completely preposterous either and it isn't 100% a hunch. Sophia is an great player and I could see her playing a good scum game. No reason to be shy about gut feelings right now and just sit on some of the safe choices when I know I'll be here for the end of the day.

People sure do seem to value my ability to play this game far more than I actually do. >_>;

You both talk about what you will learn from my flip, but I am still really unclear what will happen when the reality of my town flip sets in. Sophia, you just list what we can gain from my theoretical scum flip, but you don't mention what you would learn from my town flip. Kawl, you mention that there is a lot to learn from my town flip, but you don't say what that is.

At this point, I am getting more frustrated with how heavily you two are tunneling in on me than I am at the fact that you are intending to lynch me. Listen, at this rate, you are going to lynch me, and I am going to flip town. Under that scenario, how does my sacrifice help town? Shouldn't we be at least exploring other possibilities more seriously? We don't have a lot of time, and if we waste it all lynching me, then we won't be any further ahead on day 3.

A town flip on you immediately throws suspicion on cabot, of course. As well as myself, but I'm prepared for the consequences of that. It would also give us a slightly different read on Ty and Splinter. And I suspect that some people would be looking into Kawl more closely due to his self-establishing that he could be a serial killer, although that's all dependent on if two bodies show next day phase or not.

And I'm not only interested in you. Melon curiously jumps in with a vote on Ty after Kawl brings up the possibility of being scum, fitting in with what we've previously established with her jumping on all sorts of trains of thoughts. Splinter seems convinced that my Day 1 actions were apparently a planned out bus attempt, which makes me curious about him a bit depending on how today goes. There's the aformentioned Terrabyte20xx, who's activity and contribution are fairly low. I also have a bit of a hard time reading Fireblend, which means I will probably relook him over in the morning.

And if you're curious, I'm currently town reading Kawl, Cabot, and Ynnny slightly. All three have demonstrate a degree of pro-activeness on scumhunting, with not much to change my mind on it right now.

 

[SkyOdin]

All of that is fair enough, I suppose.

I need to track down some more leads in the morning too.

 

[Sophia]

Also, as I missed him, I don't know what to think of Stanley. Although sticking to his vote on Day 1 + commentary on the Terra vs Hyper situation has me ever so slightly town reading him for the moment. But that's more of a gut feeling than a hard read.

 

[cabot]

I'm going to break these posts out by player. Starting with SkyOdin.

Okay, I come back to a pile of accusations and votes on my head. To be honest I am not surprised after how Hyper flipped and the way I justified my vote. However, because of how many people are quoting me and asking me questions, please allow me to address the accusations in a general sense rather than one by one. It would turn into a mess if I tried to quote it all.

Now, on the first order of business: I was wrong. That's the key thrust of my defense; I misread Hyper and L_P.

In large part, I simply got overwhelmed by the speed of the thread in the last two hours of the day. Most of the main drive against Hyper happened in those two hours, and those two hours made up half of the posts from Day 1. I simply lost track of who had said what when. When it was coming down to the wire and I had to make my vote, I was desperately using the search function to find posts made by the four people who were tied towards the end there. I ended up rereading Hyper's posts, but I read them in a vacuum divorced from a lot of the context of the rest of the thread. I think I mentally mixed up Hyperactivity and Ty4on a little bit. So, I made a mistake. I am sorry.

When I reread the thread in detail during the Night phase, I could see a lot more clearly where Kawl was coming from. Reading the thread at a more leisurely pace helped me get my thoughts much more in order.

However, I have to dispute the narrative that I was "throwing shade at Kawl's plan". I was initially confused about the plan, but I would consider myself one of its biggest proponents in the thread. Hell, I helped resolve and address other people's concerns about the peek plan. For example, i helped solve Stanley's worries about the plan. I did have some reservations about the plan, but I figured that if we were going to do it, we might as well do it well. Hell, I had two minutes to post when the game started before i ahd to rush out the door, and I made sure to follow through on the plan as we agreed, even though Kawl had apparently decided it was pointless. Obviously it is not pointless, since we still might have a cop! We might even have two more! No need to give up hope on that front just yet.

1) On that note, I find it suspicious that there has been such a dedicated push being made for me when I said up front that I couldn't post for a few hours. That was a good time to put pressure on people who could actually respond and provide answers, but instead it feels like someone has been trying to snowball a case against me when I couldn't properly defend myself.

I had been reading cabot and Sophia as mostly town after my reread last night, but I did have a few reservations about their alignment because I thought there were some oddities in their focus and read-lists. Now I am getting more suspicious that one or the other is scum.

2)In any event, I rescind any previous comment about melon being anything less than scummy. After some review, melon has definitely been acting scummy. I think splinter is also on my current top scum list.

3)On the other hand, i can't imagine a scenario where a scum is the most active player in the game, puts forward an unfamiliar but solid town defense plan, and aggressively busses a fellow scum all on day one. That would be a BOLD scum gambit. So I think I will discard some of my initial reservations about Kawl and accept him as our town overlord. At least until MYLO.

Oh, I missed this comment earlier. The explanation for this is easy: I was the only real vote on you at the time. The other vote belonged to kristoffer, who had already been replaced by Sophia. His vote obviously didn't count. At least, it would have been really strange if it did count.

4)I just figured that getting involved in the main discussion between practical lynch candidates to be more fruitful than keeping a vote on a non-factor.

I decided to go back and analyze the events that lead up to the lynch yesterday. When I did, this jumped out at me:




These two posts were made awfully close to each other. Furthermore, this is pretty much the only interaction between these two during the final hours of the vote. I can't help but notice what appears to be a certain reluctance between the two to vote for each other. They never actually argue for the lynch of the other candidate, even in an attempt to stay alive. Normally, you would expect a mafioso like Hyper to go all out on Terra and swing more votes in that direction. However, Hyper instead opts to try to swing suspicion onto the people voting for him. Terrabyte just slinks into the background for the most part. Even their phrasing has a hesitancy to their votes.

The truth is that we haven't exonerated Terrabyte from any of the suspicion over him yet. Just because Hyperactivity was scum doesn't mean that Terra was town. We might have been lucky and got a choice between two scum on Day 1. At that point, it makes sense for the two to distance themselves from each other. They couldn't have both put their votes on cabot or L_P without raising some suspicion towards a link between them.

I think it is worth putting some more pressure on Terra over this, and my earlier feelings that he has been acting scummy have certainly not gone away, so, without further ado:

Vote: Terrabyte20xx

However, when I was going back to understand how it ended up as Terra vs. Hyper in the first place, I had trouble figuring out exactly why Terra ended up in that position. 5)Cabot was the first person to vote for Terrabyte, but he didn't explicitly outline any reasoning. I suppose it may have been a pressure vote, but he didn't say. I suppose cabot can explain his thoughts in mor detail now. Stanley was the second vote, but I couldn't find a post where he outlines his reasons either. Several people had read Terra as acting scummy, but I am not sure why Stanley voted for him. The point where the vote for Terra really tips is much later though, when *Splinter makes this post:

It... isn't a very decisive or illuminating post. A null read on both Hyper and Terra, and not much of read on LP. Yet, *Splinter picks Terra for unclear reasons. It is a suspicious move.



6)Both Stanley and cabot check in after the vote is tied up. Stanley sticks to his vote, while cabot implicitly stands by his vote. However....





7)In the last moments, both cabot and *Splinter bail on their Terrabyte votes, and switch to Hyperactivity. Neither of them mention Terrabyte in the their reasoning at all.

So, I would like to hear from several of you: do you still think Terrabyte is scum? Why did you place your votes on Terrabyte? Have you changed your opinions on Terrabyte enough to consider him town? Why switch votes to Hyper at the last second when Hyper was already in the lead ?

1) Not really sure what to make of this, initially reading this when I woke up this morning, I thought you were just throwing shade on people who were voting you early in a game where majority votes makes absolutely no difference to day end. I wanted to make clear who my main target is, and the big post on you was more out of a bit of energy I had last night and wanting to put down my thoughts right away, in case I forgot a detail in the morning.

2) Well sure, but I mean the evidence against her right now is quite strong, so I mean if you don't think she looks scummy currently, you're probably not paying attention enough.

3) Not an impossible situation, though bussing your partner on day 1 is pretty risky, you're lessening your team really early, for town trust. It could work, but again I think this could be too much on the side of risk. It's a wait and see either way, the longer Kawl lives the more credible this theory becomes.

4) I was a non-factor because you didn't push me. Surely if you saw scum in me you you would try harder to show others. Like exactly what I've been doing today with you. You placed a vote and then just didn't go any further. Sure I wasn't being put under a lot of heat, but heat just doesn't come from nothing, you need a spark. You could have been the spark to put me in the lynch discussion. The non-action is a lot safer, and that leans to scum or PR, where you're afraid of making a footprint and being killed in the process.

5) It almost feels like you intentionally ignore my posts. I was very clear about Terra.

I'm also saying this right now. I can't read Terra for shit, and this game so far has been no different.

Please change my mind.

OK, my votes on Terra though.


I'm eliminating the players I think have contributed nothing of worth today.

My current lynch list is:

Terra - Can't read Terra, but he's not seemed particularly helpful to me at this point in time. Hoping he answers my question and offers some thoughts.
Yeeny - I've covered my thoughts.
catvoca - has only discussed the peeking, I'd like some thoughts on other players and interactions that have happened today.
SkyOdin - I'm not really sure, theres some questioning which reads as inexperienced (could be town or scum) but also the way he just sat a vote on me seemed weird. It just felt like picking an easy target, in a game of non-majority rule where placing your vote down isn't as powerful as the other games we've played here. I don't see much useful content either yet.

I haven't looked over Hyper's posts yet, because I tried this morning and it wasn't digesting. L_P I'm unsure of, but he's sort of a blind spot much like Terra. He hasn't raised any scum alarm bells yet, he's playing as he usually does.

It's difficult to lynch him for that on day 1 right now.

Terra's last post, after responding to me.

This seems too relaxed if he was scum, considering it's a team game and all.


Town or neutral maybe? I hate reading Terra.

3)
Now I've clearly stated Terra is a bit of a blind spot for me, but I'd just like to see I don't see the investment from him. He in fact said this:

No. That was a day one post one vote. It was meant to see how kawl would react. I didn't know how to feel about him at first so O put my vote there. Looking back at his posts, I don't think we should Lynch him, at least not today.

UNVOTE

Not gonna lie though, I am not a fan of these 24 hour day phases, I don't feel like I can get good enough reads on people.

which seems like a weak evasion to getting invested.

So if the quotes aren't clear, let me absolutely spell it out for you.

a) Terra is a blind spot ie. I can't trust my own read of him at all. It just makes good sense to get rid of these people as early as possible

b) I didn't really think he was contributing very much, another good reason for a Day 1 lynch.

6) The phrase 'check in' annoys me here, feels like you're being dishonest about how active I was. I was a constant presence for the final two hours, except a period of around 30 minutes because of my boiler acting up and trying to fix it.

7) While I didn't go into extreme detail at the time of the vote switch, one of the posts above show my weakening desire to go for Terra, as well as this in response to you at d1 end:

Well I scumread you pretty hard right now and I was easing back on Terra. Compound that with Hyper's unconvincing case over the past two hours, and here I am.

I then clarified a bit more today:

Sure, but I mean it wasnt like Terra was super clearly town either.

I only softened on him because

1) He didn't make any sort of attempt to stay alive
2) Hyper was becoming increasingly scummy ever since his defense post
3) I thought SkyOdin coming in to break the tie at 3-3 in Hyper's favour was bad.

You're now pulling the 'I'm totally town guys when you see this whats the point?' card which I mean, is all well and good but it's a game of lying. Your town flip immediately changes our stance on you where we can accept what you say in your posts as honest and true to Town's win condition, which is pretty useful in itself. I don't really think it makes me particularly more suspicious as Sophia does, I believe you are scum and I could be wrong. Maybe she'll expand on that point.

Of course this is a game of lying, you could totally be scum trying to preserve yourself. Self preservation at this stage is scummy, pure and simple.

Hey bud, L_P flipped town.

You mentioned that melon is your number two suspect behind Sky so cool, but did you end up softening on Fire or what?

This post was more within the context of a town L_P being lynched as opposed to night killed.

I don't feel like there's much there to find Fire scummy, I actually read him placing his vote on L_P before day end as town rather than scum. Scum Fire was relatively safe in the pile of Hyper votes, so bussing him at that stage would've looked pretty good. He also removed his vote when it was absolutely clear Hyper was gone, which again seems a bit weird as Scum Fire. Could be a double bluff, this is 4D chess after all. Other than this, it's a bit of a null read.

 

[SkyOdin]

Sorry if it feels like I am intentionally missing ignoring your posts or misrepresenting you, cabot. Usually it is just a case of a) me not finding the relevant posts when I go digging through the thread and b) having trouble understanding the intent of your statements. I would still like to know what you think about Terrabyte currently. For that matter, I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on *Splinter either.

 

[cabot]

Splinter:

I mentioned day 1 I was uncertain on lover boy here, though I didn't really expand on why because I didn't feel like I wanted him gone day 1.

I will try to be a bit more clear now.

Oh wow get out of my head lover.

I'm guessing that means Cabot is town.

Generally been agreeing with Cabot, still think he's town.

My stance on Ynnny softened but I don't remember why, will do some re-reading.

Yeah what Cabot said.

Although I think we should be looking at Sophia either way.

visit this direct quote to see the quotes he's responding to
2spooky4me

So this is something I'm quite sensitive to because it has worked on me in the past. Scum put me as solid town early on, and I trust them inherently because they're right. Tim did it in Volcano Island and I never suspected him, pretty sure it happened in Election and NX as well. Again, Splinter has shown his own thoughts and it's not just been completely deferring to me, but the posts are enough to at least make me take notice of this.

Also Splinter and I have had our fair share of pointless arguments, which so far there is a lack of in this game. Puts me on edge.

Now, on the town leaning side:

Sticking with Kawl, his case against Hyper was extremely inflated. Crazy word count without saying much, I would have gone with "Hyper not keen on peeking, changed mind a bit" but that's just me. Also felt he misrepresented Hyper somewhere but I'd have to go back and find it (was waiting for Hyper's response first. He might have addressed it but I'll be damned if I'm reading two posts of that length today).

Huh? This game has standard voting rules doesn't it?

2 c's? What?

Generally, lazy/aloof Splinter is town Splinter. These are tells to me, I actually laughed when Sophia brought up the reading two large posts thing because I thought that was classic Town Splinter but didn't want to share quite at that point in time.

While I classify these as town tells for Splinter, I understand they could easily be scummy for anyone else, so it's not particularly strong.

One last note is this post:

One thing I disagree with Cabot on is his insistence on not lynching the highly active. In every other game I'd agree, but it doesn't look like it needs to be a consideration here.

Since he is a player hat would usually benefit from that line of thinking, it seems a little scummy as well (although not enough to override my read on him).

Hyper, on the other hand, is a null read who has been leaning on this as a defense.

VOTE: Hyperactivity

Now yes, this is a stance I maintain in games I play (and Splinter mentioned it potentially being scummy in our Love Boat lover chat) but his use of it against me here is odd. I don't ever remember specifically saying Hyper should be spared day 1 because he was active. In fact, I called Hyper out for being inactive for a large section of the day phase. The reason I didn't really act on him until near the end was because everytime I went to Hyper's posts, I really struggled to get through them. I then brought up the fact that Hyper using his 'activity' to defend himself was scummy because his activity wasn't very helpful to anyone in the game.

So yes, I'm still uncertain on Splinter. Nothing I've seen from anyone else yet has made me lean town or scum on him.

 

[cabot]

Ty:

I was iffy on Ty in day 1, with the day ending and feeling a little better on him. Kawl's made points that I was nodding along to and lessened my town read, but nothing particularly strong in favour of scum.

Ty's a good player and I hate him.

His biggest town tell was scumreading me early, and being open about it. It went away pretty quickly though.


The only other point is where we discussed an active Kawl being a surprise. The conclusion Ty reached from my point was incorrect, but I felt the conversation really wasn't going anywhere productive so I dropped it. I'll clarify just now what I meant:

I agree that Heist was a little more restrained, but he was a lot more active in WWE before throwing in the towel, and a bit of live Mafia experience comes in here because he's always the one leading the way as Town in those games.

This just explains my feelings on not being surprised by Kawl taking the lead, just natural that the more games you have under your belt, the more confident you feel in your abilities, and confident Kawl is a proactive Kawl.


My feelings specifically on this game are above.

I never read and forgot about WWE and Gafia 2.5 >_>

Moot point now that I've been proven wrong, but experienced player doesn't necessarily mean active in my book.

So Ty thought I meant that because Kawl has some games under his belt, he's gonna be more proactive.

What I actually meant was that now that Kawl has more games under his belt, he feels more confident in his own abilities, and I think Kawl's natural personality and style of play combine to make a proactive town leader role. I'm not saying experience alone makes Town Leader Kawl. I'm saying experience, confidence and Kawl himself makes Town Leader Kawl.

 

[cabot]

Sorry if it feels like I am intentionally missing ignoring your posts or misrepresenting you, cabot. Usually it is just a case of a) me not finding the relevant posts when I go digging through the thread and b) having trouble understanding the intent of your statements. I would still like to know what you think about Terrabyte currently. For that matter, I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on *Splinter either.

You pointing out both Terra and Hyper's reluctance to go for each other for anything other than survival is good, and it's certainly interesting.

However, as a scum goon Hyper, it points to a decent chance that the other scum on the team are PRs (not impossible, maybe Kawl/Ty can give me the maths on this, but it seems a good chance 1 goon + PRs is likely) and with that mentality in mind, I don't see Scum goon Hyper trying to sell a lynch on Scum PR Terra.

I mean considering his situation and the time left, I don't really know if he could do anything other than the survival option, Hyper had given so very little reads on anyone else apart from maybe Kawl, which was a very difficult task to swing a lynch to.

I'd still flip Terra for the same reasons as Day 1, was hoping he'd die in the night due to Vigi.


OK, I'm done for now.

 

[*Splinter]

Kawl is town until we get better evidence of a serial killer. Anyone trying to suggest otherwise is scummy as fuck.

 

[*Splinter]

On the other hand, i can't imagine a scenario where a scum is the most active player in the game, puts forward an unfamiliar but solid town defense plan, and aggressively busses a fellow scum all on day one. That would be a BOLD scum gambit. So I think I will discard some of my initial reservations about Kawl and accept him as our town overlord. At least until MYLO.

This is the only post making me think Sky could be town. Maybe he's being over-cautious, but it's never in Scum's interest to let a town player be "confirmed". I'd expect a town read on Kawl, but they'd never want him to be completely unlynchable.

dude, remember our matrix game,

thinking like this completely lost us that game.

suspect evvvvveryyyyyyyyoneeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Like this.

There was an early post from Stanley that made me town read him really hard, so I wasn't too concerned with him the rest of the day. However, looking back I can't find what made me so sure. I think it was a post where he brought up a valid pitfall in the peeking strategy that hadn't otherwise been mentioned when most people had already commented. If it's just that then I gave him more town-credit yesterday than he deserved.

 

[cabot]

Elephant in the room, but yeah, I think it's a given.. Within a period of about four minutes, we had Splinter (post 421), Fireblend (post 422 although he jumped off) cabot (post 428), and Ty4on (post 429) all jump on it.

Ty and I were a minute apart, so that's some pretty interesting scum planning if we were both scum hopping on.

I also directly reacted to Sky who put Terra in front. Could be an opportunistic scum bus move, but at the point I switched, it was very much still in contention about who would be lynched. Can read it either way, but not definitively.


I already said why I actually read Fire as more Town than scum due to his vote behaviour.

So excluding myself that leaves Ty and Splinter. I don't think the evidence is really there to read from that pile on that suggests either of them could be clear scum.

 

[cabot]

OK

so i did some backtracking again and i found another thing we can chew on for a bit. it's just a quirky little thing but might be worth looking into as part of a bigger picture of each player's thrust....

Spoiler

hehe i said thrust

this is a rough register of who reported peeks plus their stances towards the peeking plan in D1:

• skyodin (middlegrounder) - peeked cabot
• ty4on (propeek) - peeked L_P
• splinter (initially against peek) - peeked terra
• cabot (propeek) - peeked sophia
• kawl (propeek) - peeked stanley
• yeenz (propeek) - peeked splinter
• fireblend (latecomer, no stance) - not reported peek (catvoca was a middlegrounder, as an additional note)
• melonrabbit (middlegrounder) - not reported peek
• sophia (initially against peek) - not reported peek
• stanleypalmtree (propeek) - not reported peek
  [*]terrabyte20xx (propeek) - not reported peek

i understand the cop had been night killed but to me, it is interesting that some propeek people haven't actually committed to the plan

also, we are in mini mafia, people! and there's only 24 hours in each phase so i'd love it if everyone has an active vote on someone at any given time. it's not only a just in case you cant make it towards the end time but also it'll always give town an indication of where you're at.

I suppose we can add Fire to the 'propeek without giving peek' pile.

So that's stanley, terra, fire.

I'd go terra > stanley > fire currently in lynch priority.

 

[cabot]

*unintelligible noises of tiredness*

hello
iv had a moment to skim through the thread, wasnt able to go in on the huger posts (hopefully they were full of the usual hot air).
right now, i see no reason to move my vote on terra.

happy lynching everyone.

something something stanarcy

This is relatively scummy, because the huger posts was where the case against Hyper was made.


Stanley can you expand on why you didn't feel chasing Hyper was worthwhile now you've had time to digest the end of day.

Some thoughts on Hyper overall?

 

[*Splinter]

The point where the vote for Terra really tips is much later though, when *Splinter makes this post:

It... isn't a very decisive or illuminating post. A null read on both Hyper and Terra, and not much of read on LP. Yet, *Splinter picks Terra for unclear reasons. It is a suspicious move.

At that point, I was about 80% certain Hyper would be lynched, with Terra as the next most likely candidate. I had no problem with either lynch, so I decided to vote against the favourite to keep things close for a bit longer. The classic "open a window for scum, then slam it in their face" approach.

If you're scum, it worked beautifully.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

This is relatively scummy, because the huger posts was where the case against Hyper was made.


Stanley can you expand on why you didn't feel chasing Hyper was worthwhile now you've had time to digest the end of day.

Some thoughts on Hyper overall?

sure.
before i had gone to sleep there was little movement against hyper so i had barely thought about him, i noticed that he hadn't said much outside of peek discussion, but there was still time in the day phase so i felt he still had plenty opportunity to contribute.

after waking up and quickly catching up, my skimming through gave me the impression that he was being overly defensive, dedicating all his effort trying to save himself instead of trying to actually contribute to town and find any other scum, which is an effort i always find more redeming than just saying "nuh uh" to whoevers acusing you.

but as i said it was a quick skim, and not something i would have felt confident putting my own vote toward, especially having skipped some of the larger posts.
but i didnt need to, because when catching up i saw that terra had barely made a single signifigant post, so my already fairly confident vote on him only felt better. (a feeling that still persists)
it was clear that it was going toward either hyper or terra being lynched, i was okay with either one. and felt it would be fine to leave it up to the rest of town.

having had the time to digest it all now i see my initial impression of hyper to be pretty much correct.
unfortunately i cant think of anything that jumped out at me in regards to his interactions with other players,
but im about to reread through the thread so hey hopefully that will give me something more substantial to go on.

and about the peek, i honestly thought i would be pointless now that the cop died, if there was still a real reason to go through with it that i have now screwed up then i am really sorry.

 

[cabot]

Who else aside from Terra tickles you?

What do you make of the cases against Sky and melon?

Do you think yeeny is on the right track in looking at the peek debate and subsequent behaviours in d2?

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

Who else aside from Terra tickles you?

What do you make of the cases against Sky and melon?

Do you think yeeny is on the right track in looking at the peek debate and subsequent behaviours in d2?

1. right now i only have a scummy vibe from sky (aside from terra i mean), but im feeling very out of date with the game right now, hence my going through the thread again.

2. well the points are sounding fine, but i barely remember most of what they are referring to so i want to look through it myself (with the context that these kinds of accusations often conveniently miss).

3. not really, but as i just said i didn't think it mattered anymore, so im inclined to think that anyone else not following through did so for the same reasons. its not a terrible place to go looking for scum, but i doubt the results will come out very convincing.

oh and speaking of the peeking thing.

Kawl, New Zealand is not "down under"
thats just Australia.
saying NZ is down under is not cool.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

I suppose we can add Fire to the 'propeek without giving peek' pile.

So that's stanley, terra, fire.

I'd go terra > stanley > fire currently in lynch priority.

in that vein, we'll have to add melon as well because even though she's a middlegrounder who kept throwing slights against the peeking plan, she did make it seem as if she was on board towards the later stage of D1. same with sophia, she was initially against, but later made posts alluding that she was on board.

as far as my lynch priority, im not feeling any tiers at the moment except for terra, who seems to be reacting very defensively for D2. a bit too defensively for my taste.

cuz like, i havent actually asked that everyone does wall-of-texts style of posts, nope. no one has asked others for that, actually. lots of people havent made huge posts. stanley, fireblend, splinter (to name a few) havent posted mega posts but they havent complained about the 24 hours phase for not being able to form reads either. on the other hand, terra's whining about it seems odd to me. because no one was actually asking anyone to do mega texts but he made a sigh about not being given enough time to ..... not do so?

idk

it smelled like an excuse when i saw it and it still does.

but, like i said earlier, that's just a thing that didnt sit very well with me. what really made me scumread him was how he and hyper had set themselves up against each other at D1 day end. it feels very put together and theatrical. dont like it, nope.

on top of it all, everytime i go back to isolate terra's posts, i can't see much valuable contributions (except for the jabs against hyper posts, which felt really forced, for me), so i'm not a huge fan of terra at the moment.

 

[Ty4on]

His posts from this day phase paint me a different picture of how convinced he was of my case concerning Hyper. From the way he says it today:



and



You would think this sucker was all about him an hyper lynch.

But my review of the reaction from day 1 doesn't quite match up with that. In fact his question asking Melon what she thinks of Hyper comes just 6 minutes after he had posted that he "would really try to make it through" the mega post even though he was tired.

I find it hard to believe that he had already digested enough of it and determined that Hyper was suspicious and that melon was totes his wolfbro. I had listed Hyper as one of my top scum waaay earlier in the game but it was literally just a response of him and cabot with no justification, so I doubt that had stuck in Ty's mind for any reason.

No. I posted right there and then that my read on Hyper was shallow for all of D1. I was thinking he could be scum, but I could've been missing something while melonrabbit looked like textbook scum to me. I figured linking the two would be valuable and was arrogant enough to think we could have found two scum.

I didn't attack Hyper much because I didn't have much of a case and you were already onto him and way more certain than I was. I attacked people defending him hard though because the reasons were bad and in case there was a link like Sophia's unvote and especially Splinter's wishy washy opinion. That was what got me suspicious of Splinter. That suspicion has gone away a bit thinking he was too obvious.
Melonrabbit wise I liked her post answering yeeny.

When I didn't vote Hyper at the tie that was wishful thinking that the lynch could shift onto a melonrabbit or Splinter (unlikely), but also because I didn't really think the Terra lynch had much of a chance. Cabot had voted Terra and it wasn't hard to see him changing his mind. People on Hyper in general seemed more confident than those on Terra. That vote at the end was to show where I stood and I regretted how bad it like in the night. Again though I still had some doubts of Hyper being scum and thought he was town when he didn't shut up after he died.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

and now that i've had a relook, i find it odd that it took until febe's post (post no 567) to reply to my analysis of who had signed up to peek but who didn't post (no 551) .... by anyone in the "not reported a peek" category.

this makes me read febe more town. he joined in the discussion without prompt about the topic.

i think melon and sophia were also still around at the time that i posted that, but neither said anything to explain why they didnt report a peek.

stanley had to be prodded by cabot.



mmm, so from the bunch of "no reports" im feeling better about febe only, the rest is now smelling a little rotten.

terra > stanley > melon > sophia

would be my lynch priority now

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

and now that i've had a relook, i find it odd that it took until febe's post (post no 567) to reply to my analysis of who had signed up to peek but who didn't post (no 551) .... by anyone in the "not reported a peek" category.

this makes me read febe more town. he joined in the discussion without prompt about the topic.

i think melon and sophia were also still around at the time that i posted that, but neither said anything to explain why they didnt report a peek.

stanley had to be prodded by cabot.



mmm, so from the bunch of "no reports" im feeling better about febe only, the rest is now smelling a little rotten.

terra > stanley > melon > sophia

would be my lynch priority now

okay so were doubling down on this but i really dont understand it, what makes this so scummy?

from what i understand with the cop dead, there is a chance that we have a 1 shot cop, but how does peeking help them? whats stoping them from just coming out with thier 1 shot after its used if they arnt any special threat to scum anymore?

 

[cabot]

Today's lynch pile currently is:

Terra - Not much has changed since yesterday, I'm just weary that we have a scum vs scum lynch battle on day 1. Not impossible, but still difficult to believe. That aside, yeeny is right regarding his response to her prod. It was overly defensive and assumed too much. The other reasons from D1 are still present.
SkyOdin - Still feels the scummiest of the pile for me, This is where my gut lies.
melonrabbit - Eh, I feel her responses today have been solid, and I can see the 'Kill L_P to frame melonrabbit' angle as legit from a skilled player. The evidence is still pretty damning from D1, I'm still curious to break apart this link with Sky he made in D1.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

okay so were doubling down on this but i really dont understand it, what makes this so scummy?

from what i understand with the cop dead, there is a chance that we have a 1 shot cop, but how does peeking help them? whats stoping them from just coming out with thier 1 shot after its used if they arnt any special threat to scum anymore?

oh, more like... how do i put this, like there's someone presenting a theory and it highlights certain people. and everyone who was highlighted just gloss it over without even any cursory response to it. except fireblend.

im saying its not that im present a super strong theory, but the reactions (or lack thereof) to it, is interesting.




have you had any other theories or observations we can chew on, seruru? i know it's almost bed time for you, there....but im hoping you will be able to meet your post quota for the day. i think you and terra only did 11 posts each yesterday :<

we all knew what this game's requirements are before we signed up to it, right? .___.;;

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

^ ugh, add ing to the word "present" in above post.

im saying its not that im presenting a super strong theory, but the reactions (or lack thereof) to it, is interesting.

 

[*Splinter]

Now yes, this is a stance I maintain in games I play (and Splinter mentioned it potentially being scummy in our Love Boat lover chat) but his use of it against me here is odd. I don't ever remember specifically saying Hyper should be spared day 1 because he was active. In fact, I called Hyper out for being inactive for a large section of the day phase. The reason I didn't really act on him until near the end was because everytime I went to Hyper's posts, I really struggled to get through them. I then brought up the fact that Hyper using his 'activity' to defend himself was scummy because his activity wasn't very helpful to anyone in the game.

So yes, I'm still uncertain on Splinter. Nothing I've seen from anyone else yet has made me lean town or scum on him.

You've misunderstood me here. I was calling you suspicious for the same reason I had previously noted that this is potentially scummy: ie a high activity player advising against lynching highly active players is implicitly working towards there own self - preservation. It's scummy even though it's not a bad argument.

My vote for Hyper was only tangentially related to my comment on you. You were a player I townread that had this one slightly scummy behaviour. Hyper then showed this same scummy behaviour, but as a previously null read (and being someone in genuine danger of being lynched) it was more damning for him than it was for you.