YesNOnoNOYes
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omg melon, sophsoph, you two and me are the three girls in this game and we are the ruling posters of this page
TAKE THAT, OTHER LESSER BEINGS
TAKE THAT, OTHER LESSER BEINGS
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Mini Mafia I |OT| Why is it so small?
- Thread starter Timeaisis
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Staying silent on specifics for now (as I don't want to give away my reads just yet), but there's a couple other people I'm curious about too.
I must admit I'm very curious to see how Stanley will play this game. He's typically not been a high poster from what I can tell, but his intuition is sharp.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
well, last page :<
yeah, there's a few more people i'd like to hear from too. quiet ones are concerning for me cuz i cant form a proper read on them
*pokes people's butts*
melonrabbit
Member
I see. My GAFia meta is still in development.
The boys must be asleep.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
you know i was hoping to use that community roomonfire gif when i finally got to post, but yall are acting completely civil and having reasonable discussions in here.
anyway, while i wasn't able to post earlier, i did find a few moments to keep up with the thread and so i have had plenty of time to consider the peeking tom plan of action, and i honestly think its a good idea, cant find any reall problems with it.
consider me #teampeek
however, on that note i did think of a possible sticky situation that might arise from this plan that i dont think anyone else has mentioned.
it comes from the issue of having to maintain the facade of having confirmed another player to be certainly town, when you have no such confirmation. while you may have been heavily leaning town on this player when you made the peak claim, but if that opinion changes (as reads so often do) you are kinda stuck keeping it to yourself, which would be especially problematic if you may have picked up on something scummy about said player that others missed.
its a small issue, but one i do think we should consder.
who are you and what have you done with Gafia?
anyway, while i wasn't able to post earlier, i did find a few moments to keep up with the thread and so i have had plenty of time to consider the peeking tom plan of action, and i honestly think its a good idea, cant find any reall problems with it.
consider me #teampeek
however, on that note i did think of a possible sticky situation that might arise from this plan that i dont think anyone else has mentioned.
it comes from the issue of having to maintain the facade of having confirmed another player to be certainly town, when you have no such confirmation. while you may have been heavily leaning town on this player when you made the peak claim, but if that opinion changes (as reads so often do) you are kinda stuck keeping it to yourself, which would be especially problematic if you may have picked up on something scummy about said player that others missed.
its a small issue, but one i do think we should consder.
I'm awake! I was skimming the thread again to get a feel for what people have posted. We still have a few people who have posted very little content of substance, or just plain haven't posted much. Among them, I think Cabot sticks out somewhat. He has so far posted a bare minimum of posts, and has yet to reach the 10 limit, but he was present right at game start. However, most of his posts have been pretty fluffy, with a significant fraction of them being reaction gifs and an avatar quote.. The last time he posted, he said that he would discuss something later, but he hasn't come back to elaborate on that yet.
So:
Vote: cabot
So:
Vote: cabot
Nice to see you Stanley. I actually haven't considered that wrinkle in the plan before. It is true that it might be a problem for the people who are fake-claiming. The only I can think of to get around it is to do the peeking in as formal of a way as possible, and then for all of us to agree to disregard the peeks as being consequential. At that point, it becomes a matter of the cops having to pretend that the people they cleared have not actually been cleared, but that is a blessing in disguise since we might very well have a godfather in our midst anyways.
melonrabbit
Member
Good evening, Gentlemen Stan.
Thank you for eloquently wording something that has troubled me about the long-term game of peeking. Consistency or lack thereof...
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
not a bad idea at all for how to get around this wrinkle,
my initial idea was to just hope it didn't happen, and in the event that it did the player who made the read would just have to use their best judgement on if breaking kayfabe was worth it, but this would work a lot better.
only issue with it is its another layer to the plan that everyone has to play by, else the whole thing becomes kinda pointless.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
hi seru!! nice to see you :>
*reads seru's post*
mmm, some sensible points there. thank you for contributions!
vote: catvoca
needs more catvoccian voice so i may form betterer read on this player~
so far, seems to be one of the quieter ones who's quite happy to not be too visible
as for cabot, i think he's in UK, skyodin. so he's probably still asleep.
*reads seru's post*
mmm, some sensible points there. thank you for contributions!
vote: catvoca
needs more catvoccian voice so i may form betterer read on this player~
so far, seems to be one of the quieter ones who's quite happy to not be too visible
as for cabot, i think he's in UK, skyodin. so he's probably still asleep.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
cabot (2)
Kawl_USC .24
*Splinter .37 .51
Kristoffer .46 .147
SkyOdin .206
Kawl_USC (2)
Lone_Prodigy .31 .103
*Splinter .51
Terrabyte20xx .77
YesNOnoNOYes (2)
cabot .27
Sophia .196
Catvoca (1)
YesNOnoNOYes .210
Kristoffer (0)
Ty4on .29 .149
StanleyPalmtree (0)
YesNOnoNOYes .146 .210
Hyperactivity (0)
Kristoffer .23 .46
Ty4on (0)
SkyOdin .39 .206
No active vote for Day 1:
Catvoca
Hyperactivity
Lone_Prodigy (has previously voted)
melonrabbit
StanleyPalmtree
Ty4on (has previously voted)
Day 1 ends:
Automated vote tally here
7 votes for majority
cabot (2)
Kawl_USC .24
SkyOdin .206
Kawl_USC (2)
*Splinter .51
Terrabyte20xx .77
YesNOnoNOYes (2)
cabot .27
Sophia .196
Catvoca (1)
YesNOnoNOYes .210
Kristoffer (0)
StanleyPalmtree (0)
Hyperactivity (0)
Ty4on (0)
No active vote for Day 1:
Catvoca
Hyperactivity
Lone_Prodigy (has previously voted)
melonrabbit
StanleyPalmtree
Ty4on (has previously voted)
Day 1 ends:
Automated vote tally here
7 votes for majority
Lone_Prodigy
Member
While peeking might be a problem in the long-term, the player population will be steadily decreasing anyway due to votes and possible NK's, so it'll get organically easier to hit the cop. Reads are constantly in flux anyway; a target du jour may deliver scum the next day and be hailed a saviour.
In the short term (clearing one person if/when the cop flips) I think it's worth the risk.
In the short term (clearing one person if/when the cop flips) I think it's worth the risk.
melonrabbit
Member
Rereading the thread, Ive settled on a few new reads. Among the stragglers, Lone Prodigy stands the most out to me. The majority of his posts have been repetitions of what was already just discussed on the page without adding commentary or additional thoughts. Giving the appearance of taking care of business when in reality: all fluff.
Examples? See this very page. The post above this space.
Vote: Lone_Prodigy
Examples? See this very page. The post above this space.
Vote: Lone_Prodigy
I'm not actually against peeking. My first post was against it as an excuse to attack Kawl a bit - although I abandoned that idea mid-post when I realised it was too easy for him to answer to.
After that I was against Kawl's advice relating to peeking, not peeking itself.
Fake peeking is a tried and true strategy. Play Like A Pro
This person was banned. Remember that.
It's called going to bed, Ty.
People, team yurop does exist. I was in bed.
I'm uncertain of SkyOdin, melon and yeeny right now.
Kawl's a bit of a neutral read, but hes actively contributing so he's ruled out for day 1. I'll do peeking.
I'm a little cautious of Splinter, and with that let's talk, lover.
VOTE: *Splinter
What do you make of yeeny vs Sophia? It's interesting Sophia has went on the aggressive so early against someone she's had no experience against as a player. We've had games where scum bus each other day 1, though I'm not leaning that way particularly right now.
Thoughts?
I don't like some of Sophia's posts. This case for example:
That's not to say that Sky is town. It's a new idea to him regardless of his own alignment.
On a related read, I don't like Yn's positive reaction to Sophia's post. Nor do I like her suddenly turning on Sophia in response to being questioned, and then I think she continued to townread her? It looks like a combination of sucking up to someone, and using aggression to dissuade an attack.
Ynnny, explain yourself.
I think that's a strange thing to scumread. The posts she quoted look like someone exploring a new idea. I don't really see being unsure as scummy?
That's not to say that Sky is town. It's a new idea to him regardless of his own alignment.
On a related read, I don't like Yn's positive reaction to Sophia's post. Nor do I like her suddenly turning on Sophia in response to being questioned, and then I think she continued to townread her? It looks like a combination of sucking up to someone, and using aggression to dissuade an attack.
Ynnny, explain yourself.
I think Sophia's case against Ynnny is weaker than her case against SkyOdin*. I know she hasnt played with Ynnny before (noone has), but I think she knows her well enough to expect some fluffy comments within her posts.
However, the way she moved from SkyOdin to Ynnny actually made me town read her a little more. It's sensible play to be put pressure on anyone you can at this point, and of course we'll be clutching at straws for any case made this early.
*This sounds weird because I just criticized her case against SkyOdin. But with SkyOdin she identified a pattern of behaviour and tried to analyse it - it is only the analysis I disagree with. With Ynnny she is trying to analyse something that most people would already expect to see, that's what I mean by it being "weaker".
Yo, if I have to work this little to give a reason for voting someone, this is gonna be a real good time.
No, this was not the reason. I don't know what to make of you constructing a reason for it, yeeny.
It was gonna be Kawl or Splinter but I went for secret option C - yeenypoo who makes up reasons for me to vote her.
Cheers, m8.
Eh, I mean the game changes as the days go forward: hitting scum on a lynch, the cop dying in the night, some peek targets dying through lynch or night kill.
Your point seems to come from the angle of the game is in one set state and doesn't change.
Well that's kind of the problem. Your reads will change but night action results won't. I guess the solution (as someone else already mentioned) is to agree to ignore all results (even the real cop ignoring their own).
I think it should be OK if the cop is aware of this and doesn't ignore their investigation targets.
One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of setups have a godfather so a cleared person isn't 100% confirmed.
The setup with zero PR has a godfather who's useless, but in the other scum setups (each equally likely) we have 5 with a godfather and just 2 without.
Therefore it should be natural for the cop to doubt their cleared peeps as well. If you're a cop be subtle about it as well. For everyone else a fake peek is just a gesture and those they've peeked can still be suspicious.
Um, the setup is chosen randomly.
sounds like a tailored randomisation.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
This feels like a Brexit joke just waiting to happen
i got a weird feeling from Sophia's aggression here,
particularly getting on Yin's case about coasting posts, when we were like 8 hours into the game at that point so obviously people wouldn't have a a lot to talk about.
although the similar attitude toward both yin and sky stops me from thinking it was an early busing attempt, and more just an excessive attempt to put pressure on whoever she can.
probably not that bad of an idea in this bold new world of 24hr day phases
The scum setup is chosen depending on how many Ts (ordinary town, no PR) are rolled. Note that serial killer is third party.
VOTE: Terrabyte20xx
Would you see Kawl lynched this day for the reason you gave?
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
OMG Cabot you weirdo
You were the one that fake voted me in discord before even this game started so of course I thought the reasons had to do with prior game. What was I supposed to think when you actually do it in game? Geez.
If you don't wanna create meta gaming, then don't faux vote people in discord before the game started! Also with the reason saying you were 'practising' for doing it. WTH~
It felt as if it was genuine jokingness from where I'm standing m8
*grumbles grumbles*
You were the one that fake voted me in discord before even this game started so of course I thought the reasons had to do with prior game. What was I supposed to think when you actually do it in game? Geez.
If you don't wanna create meta gaming, then don't faux vote people in discord before the game started! Also with the reason saying you were 'practising' for doing it. WTH~
It felt as if it was genuine jokingness from where I'm standing m8
*grumbles grumbles*
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
I don't think it was a leap on my part to assume that this was a continuation of the same joke because it was straight out of the gate...
like... Third post after the day started, hey? Care to explain why then? Elucidate this poor spider.
There wasn't a real reason. I just place a vote on someone at the start, and as I said Kawl and Splinter would have been too obvious as my first choice.
I mean it was a leap, you leaped over any potential thoughts of my own and assumed your own thoughts for my vote. That's not particularly helpful when it comes to determining my alignment, unless you already know it or you don't particularly care about it, which leans more to scum than town.
I mean it was a leap, you leaped over any potential thoughts of my own and assumed your own thoughts for my vote. That's not particularly helpful when it comes to determining my alignment, unless you already know it or you don't particularly care about it, which leans more to scum than town.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
IDK i thought sophsoph was reaching because at least i've brought to the table a kind of analysis on where players are (with the factions of pro-peek, anti-peek and middlegrounders)
i've never played with her though but i think she's too detail oriented and usually over analyze things so... feels like struggling townie to me.
Mmm? I townread Soph and Sky because both seems genuinely trying to scumhunt, even if they are flailing at it.
But her calling me coasting was a bit ridic so I had to call her out on it, i guess. She hasn't really brought anything of value to the table with regards to her 'hunches' about SkyOdin, specially since she admitted that she herself is at fault of the same trait.
I like it when people try to scumhunt though. In Archer, Haly the Godfather was more invested talking about mechanic of the mission instead of scumhunting. It made him look as if he was contributing where he was actually just making a lot of helpful-seeming posts that did not really provide any slants or hints of his reads.
So, thats why I'm just watching Soph and Sky-O at the moment.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
you're so silly
i responded with that reply cuz i thought you were still joking
and now you are like, "no no no yeeny you plebe, i see thru u cuz i am playing high level strat"
>:O
and here i thought we could count on each other to form best townie synergy the way we did in archer. it's almost as if you've forgotten how i play ....... :< you're the ONLY ONE in this player list who should know me better than the rest of them, cabochon!
my heart
it breks
</3
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
*snrks*
...
NO EVEN IF I WAS GIGGLING A LITTLE IM STILL MAD AT U THOUGH CABOCHON
how cud u >:O
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
idk splinter. this is how i speak in game :> "erratic" is a good descriptor, i guess
<3
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
well, while we are grasping at straws.
this bugged me,
though i cant decide if its the guilttriping people into going with his plan, or just setting up an easy opportunity to accuse someone of being scum.
this bugged me,
though i cant decide if its the guilttriping people into going with his plan, or just setting up an easy opportunity to accuse someone of being scum.
Sure, Kawl has said a few things which bug me, but I ask you the question I asked Terra, would you lynch him today for it (or anything else)?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
wait when did this happen?
So before Sophia came into the game I was not liking Kristoffers posts. Amidst all the discussion of peeking on page 2 he was posting random stuff like
Then on the third page, when there's a lot of discussion going on, his contribution was just putting the vote list up. Maybe it's silly but I often see players putting a vote list up as just a way to appear active without actually contributing anything, and Krisstoffer really wasn't contributing anything. So naturally I was apprehensive of Sophia when she joined the game, and while she's been posting a lot which is great, I haven't seen anything in her big reads posts, not with SkyOdin as Splinter pointed out, or with Yeeny. So I'm not not feeling good about her right now.
Yeeny's posted a lot of fluff but from what I've seen in other Mafia threads that's her posting style so I don't really get anything from it. Maybe a slight town read.
With L_P, I figure from Bar Mafia that's just his posting style. He was town in that game and played the same way as he is now, so I think it's too early to say he's coasting just yet.
I'm in Ireland so the start/end times are at 10pm. I was sleeping and stuff! For future reference I'm more likely to be around at the start and end of the phase.
Then on the third page, when there's a lot of discussion going on, his contribution was just putting the vote list up. Maybe it's silly but I often see players putting a vote list up as just a way to appear active without actually contributing anything, and Krisstoffer really wasn't contributing anything. So naturally I was apprehensive of Sophia when she joined the game, and while she's been posting a lot which is great, I haven't seen anything in her big reads posts, not with SkyOdin as Splinter pointed out, or with Yeeny. So I'm not not feeling good about her right now.
Yeeny's posted a lot of fluff but from what I've seen in other Mafia threads that's her posting style so I don't really get anything from it. Maybe a slight town read.
With L_P, I figure from Bar Mafia that's just his posting style. He was town in that game and played the same way as he is now, so I think it's too early to say he's coasting just yet.
I'm in Ireland so the start/end times are at 10pm. I was sleeping and stuff! For future reference I'm more likely to be around at the start and end of the phase.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
okay, since it's likely that i might not be here at day end cuz it might be too early for me
i'll just throw up my rough town reads:
i like kawl. he's visible and leading. i think it's too bold for maf to take this position.
slight town: stanley, sophia, sky-o
people im not sure about: hyper, lone_prodigy, splinter
others are not yet giving me enough to make opinions on
i'll go dinner now so maybe no more erratic posts for you guys until later~
i'll just throw up my rough town reads:
i like kawl. he's visible and leading. i think it's too bold for maf to take this position.
slight town: stanley, sophia, sky-o
people im not sure about: hyper, lone_prodigy, splinter
others are not yet giving me enough to make opinions on
i'll go dinner now so maybe no more erratic posts for you guys until later~
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
for only that, no.
and i dont think anything else he has said today has set of any alarm bells.