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Miniature Gaming-Age (WH40k, Warmachine, Etc.)
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War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
They have updated their sprays haven't they?
The Corax White spray is a huge improvement in my experience.
BattleMonkey
Member
For a standard game you might need two/three more ships per side usually. Each ship and upgrades you buy for it are worth differing amounts of points so its hard to say. A ship with lot of upgrades like a Falcon or Slave 1 can take more than half your points itself
I assume you're talking about sprays? I saw Vallejo primers at store and was curious about them, but even with Christmas money I don't want to spend that much money on such a big bottle. There was a smaller one (still bigger than the normal paints from either Vallejo or the big GW ones), but only in white.
There's a dedicated X wing thread on gaming community. The way I'd do it is get 2 starters (the value is there in ship count as well additional measuring sticks etc, but the players there are a bit more invested than I am in the game).
just bought a copy of TFA starter.. and yeah, it seems for X-Wing at least, there is value in buying both starters. Should be able to get both from Amazon for ~$54 combined. That will net you with two X-Wings, 4 TIEs, and then a bunch of upgrades for each but unique as half will be from the OT, while the other half will be from TFA (so getting both Luke and Poe for example, both outstanding X-Wing pilots)
BattleMonkey
Member
New TFA starter has the new damage deck that replaces the old one too, apparently makes critical hits more dangerous too.
Picked up the AvP boxed game from CSI, cheapest place to get it. Heard very mixed things about it, but the figs look sweet and I adore Aliens. Sounds like they tried to take a mini game and added rules to try and make sense selling it as a board game, though not very smoothly. And translation issues are apparently there.... I hope BGG and forums can clear it up though.
Picked up the AvP boxed game from CSI, cheapest place to get it. Heard very mixed things about it, but the figs look sweet and I adore Aliens. Sounds like they tried to take a mini game and added rules to try and make sense selling it as a board game, though not very smoothly. And translation issues are apparently there.... I hope BGG and forums can clear it up though.
Has anyone been watching Beyond the Gates of Antares? I backed the original doomed kickstarter, but they didn't give up after that. The starter set was released recently and it look HEAVY with content and each new release looks better than the last. Rick Priestley has been doing a lot of interviews too and the game sounds great and has a good future.
Warlord Games has a series of videos on their channel that introduce the game and the factions.
Warlord Games has a series of videos on their channel that introduce the game and the factions.
hunchback
Member
I'm about ready to start painting some mini's for the first time in 8 year's. I'm looking for some advice on paint. Who makes a good primer? I used to use acrylic primer from auto store's and used Citadel.
I found the Citadel paints dried out because they are in pots and was always having to thin them. Vallejo seems to have some nice kit's. What would you recommend for a good primer and a good set of paint. I don't mind spending a little extra if it's worth it. Thanks for any info.
I found the Citadel paints dried out because they are in pots and was always having to thin them. Vallejo seems to have some nice kit's. What would you recommend for a good primer and a good set of paint. I don't mind spending a little extra if it's worth it. Thanks for any info.
LaserBuddha
Member
If you have a hobby shop near you, get Tamiya Fine Surface Primer (Light Grey). Its extremely durable primer but preserves details really well at the same time, and a grey basecoat is the best universal base color to paint over. Just make sure it says "fine surface primer" on the can because its easy to pick up the wrong one. If i was painting something mostly black though, I would go ahead and get a black primer. I prime with my airbursh now sp its been a while, but just stay away from Army Painter and GW for spray primer.
For paint, honestly GW isnt bad nowadays and their high-pigment base coat paints are really useful, and Tamiya or Reaper paints are good too. But I strongly recommend the Reaper Master Series HD paint sets to start out a collection. They all have high pigment concentration so they cover really well and dont need a lot of thinning. You can find the two box sets here, but if you hunt around you might still be able to find them elsewhere for a discounted price.
For paints though, you might want to start out planning what you will paint first, and buy related colors individually. Reaper has a "color triangle" system or whatever for paint colors that are used together. So you can get the midtone and lowlight and highlight you need instead of a set of different basic colors that you'd have to deftly mix to get all the right shades.
Hey guys
I've just started building a 40k Ork army to play with some friends.
Had my first 600pt games this weekend - won the first game against Elder by a hair, but then decimated by Tau.
Any advice for getting good painting and conversion resources? Or better yet tactical advice for Orks?
I've just started building a 40k Ork army to play with some friends.
Had my first 600pt games this weekend - won the first game against Elder by a hair, but then decimated by Tau.
Any advice for getting good painting and conversion resources? Or better yet tactical advice for Orks?
hunchback
Member
Thank you very much. I'm familiar with the Tamiya primer from my scale model tanks. Reaper paints it is.
Have you used any of the Army Painter Quick Shade products? I have read good reviews but it almost sounds too good to be true. My project is the miniatures from the GW The Hobbit, An unexpected journey.
LaserBuddha
Member
Quickshade looks okay but honestly I think its best served for a bunch of skeletons or helping a bad paint job. If you go over the model with brown wash you get the same effect.
I dont really have much experience with army painter because Ive always read and been told that their stuff is less expensive but inferior, especially primer. I like their Wargamer series brushes though.
I should also no that ive only used a few Vallejo paints outside of airbrushing so I wouldnt say im recommending Reaper over them, its just those High Density paints are the best line I have experience with.
Also check out the Vallejo Liquid Gold line for metallics and their washes too. Those are great.
SillyEskimo
Member
Warseer seems like a good place for you to start.
Tactics/Army Lists
http://www.warseer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?4-Warhammer-40-000-Tactics
Army building/painting logs - (Orks will be under Xenos. Just look for Orks in the titles. Lots of inspiration to be had here IMO).
http://www.warseer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?101-Science-Fiction-Project-Logs
StaffyManasse
Member
Speaking of primers. What kind of set-up those of you without a (games) workshop use to spray your miniatures? I am worried that whatever cardboard set-up I might use, I would still end up with paint in places it is not welcome. Outside is not optimal I suppose, but is it completely out of the question? Any ideas?
hooijdonk17
Member
Well.. I didn't name brands, but mentioned that off the shelf grey primers are usually way better than Chaos Black
I use the balcony and a big cardboard box. As long as you don't do it on a particularly humid, cold or windy day, you should be fine. I would never consider spraying things indoors, it's way too messy and unhealthy.
StaffyManasse
Member
No worries, when it's not humid where I live, it's either cold or windy! I just have to work something out. If only I had a good ventilated garage.
Don't ever spray inside, very very bad idea. Do it outside when it's not too cold or too hot. I do it in the shared workshop we have access to.
BattleMonkey
Member
It's fine to use cheap hardware store primer, just some of the hobby specific primers are definitely better, but you pay alot more. I've used basic rustoleum primers and such from Home Depot just fine for minis, but I don't mind splurging 3 times as much on an army painter primer since I feel it goes on so much smoother.
Thanks!
I'm slowly going through and painting my army, which is growing quick thanks to ebay.
I've just picked a Land Speeder Storm which I'm going to use as the base to convert into a Flakk Trakk by adding the tracks from an old Wartrakk I've picked up, a non-GW flakk gun that looks pretty good & some various gubbins & bits.
I'll be sure to post progress once it arrives.
For the first time in a loooong time GW has some good sales up on their site:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA...ategoryId=cat440130a-flat&_requestid=19159725
Unfortunately the Tau and Skitarii, the two best deals and the two most interesting to me are already sold out. They do say temporarily out of stock though, so there is hope these are a permanent addition and not just a limited thing.
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA...ategoryId=cat440130a-flat&_requestid=19159725
Unfortunately the Tau and Skitarii, the two best deals and the two most interesting to me are already sold out. They do say temporarily out of stock though, so there is hope these are a permanent addition and not just a limited thing.
Android18a
Member
It sounds like these are going to be regular stock items. The Tau one is amazing since they contain new kits that literally came out a few months back and nets you a tidy saving too. Two boxes of that and you're well on the way to a decent force!
I went for the Seraphon (Lizardmen) box for Age of Sigmar. £50 for a Carnosaur, Saurus Warriors and Saurus Knights. For reference, a Carnosaur on its own retails for... £50. So it's basically two free boxes of models. Nice. Plus I used a £15 GW voucher I got for Christmas so I'm getting all that for £35. Even nicer.
Good move by GW and I hope they expand this to more armies over time. My only real thing now is I wish they'd release cheaper paperback small-format versions of Codexes alongside the hardbacks.
SillyEskimo
Member
Some of those deals are better than others. $150 for a codex and 6 models? That's pretty disgusting really.
The cheaper, entry level box sets are a great idea though. I hope this is successful and let's GW know cheaper products will sell in volume and encourage them to look at more reduced prices in the future.
The cheaper, entry level box sets are a great idea though. I hope this is successful and let's GW know cheaper products will sell in volume and encourage them to look at more reduced prices in the future.
Android18a
Member
^ Right, only ever get an official GW bundle if it's a "box set" one, those usually have nice savings. The other 'web bundles' they do have a 0% saving and are there for 'convenience" of getting a few things in a single click. To be fair they don't claim those ones to save you money.
All of this talk of priming things... Winter is a frustrating time. I really want to get some minis primed so I can do some painting, I have quite a few things waiting in the wings. Think I might try to get ahold of a space heater to warm the storage room off my balcony to do some priming. List of things that need painting:
-Warmachine Retribution of Scyrah Battle Box
-Hordes Legion of Everblight All in One Box + Zuriel
-Dropzone Commander Starter Set
-Malifaux Burning Revelation Crew Box
-A bunch of assorted Dark Elves, Eldar, Tyranid and Dark Angel minis that I have never gotten around to painting.
Plus I am considering starting a Skitarii army and ordering the Beyond the Gates of Antares starter set. And Betrayal at Calth is looking mighty fine still.
And I got this for Christmas so I really should be painting:
-Warmachine Retribution of Scyrah Battle Box
-Hordes Legion of Everblight All in One Box + Zuriel
-Dropzone Commander Starter Set
-Malifaux Burning Revelation Crew Box
-A bunch of assorted Dark Elves, Eldar, Tyranid and Dark Angel minis that I have never gotten around to painting.
Plus I am considering starting a Skitarii army and ordering the Beyond the Gates of Antares starter set. And Betrayal at Calth is looking mighty fine still.
And I got this for Christmas so I really should be painting:
LaserBuddha
Member
Solve your problems with an airbrush.
Android18a
Member
I've got an airbrush and compressor, been looking at using it for priming but the airbrush itself is a cheapo one that's a real pain in the ass to reassemble after cleaning. I'm hoping to get a nice iwata one at some point.
I'd recommend Vallejo's black model primer if anyone does do airbrush priming though, it goes on an absolute treat, dries quickly and you can get a huge bottle of the stuff for a pretty low price
I'd recommend Vallejo's black model primer if anyone does do airbrush priming though, it goes on an absolute treat, dries quickly and you can get a huge bottle of the stuff for a pretty low price
hooijdonk17
Member
You have picked a very good value set.
Out of the blue question to GAF: Is there, or has there ever been, a Halo miniature wargame? Such an untapped potential if not..
BattleMonkey
Member
Love airbrushing, but it's also kind of a paint to drag out, set up, and clean. I always get lazy and just rattlecan and hand do it all lol
SillyEskimo
Member
Airbrushing is great for mass amounts of models. That's probably my prime use for it. Base coats plus 2-3 highlights.
BattleMonkey
Member
Right for an army squad paint up, it's great tool. For random single mini, it just feels like more work than needed though.
I did my entire Flames of War army in pretty much one sitting with airbrush, it sped up so much of the process.
I did my entire Flames of War army in pretty much one sitting with airbrush, it sped up so much of the process.
https://shop.spartangames.co.uk/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HFBB01
I think they are supposed to be making a ground based game eventually too.
If I was interested in looking at airbrushing where would I start?
BattleMonkey
Member
Yea they are supposed to be doing a ground based game for Halo too
hooijdonk17
Member
https://shop.spartangames.co.uk/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HFBB01
I think they are supposed to be making a ground based game eventually too.
If I was interested in looking at airbrushing where would I start?
Ooohh niice. Acratches that Gothic itch too. I'll bookmark and watch, thanks.
Waiting for miniatures to arrive is frustrating, especially when you've ordered various things to hack together and only half of them turn up. Some of my bits arrived yesterday, some haven't even been dispatched yet. Pull your socks up, eBay sellers!!
On the plus side, the Space Marine Dreadnought converted into a Deff Dread, a few Killa Kanz and my new Kopters all landed yesterday, so I had something to do in the evening as they all needed a fair bit of fixing.
Glueing flying bases that have been broken off onto Kopters is a nightmare. They just don't want to stay put - I had to hold it up squeezed between a few bikes and leave it overnight, but it's fixed. Thank god!
On the plus side, the Space Marine Dreadnought converted into a Deff Dread, a few Killa Kanz and my new Kopters all landed yesterday, so I had something to do in the evening as they all needed a fair bit of fixing.
Glueing flying bases that have been broken off onto Kopters is a nightmare. They just don't want to stay put - I had to hold it up squeezed between a few bikes and leave it overnight, but it's fixed. Thank god!
StaffyManasse
Member
My "starter set" of paints and brushes should be arriving any day now. Too bad the weather is on a cold spell and I probably can't start priming the miniatures for weeks. I picked the wrong time of the year to get excited about miniatures.
On the other hand, I have had time to get some supplies and start preparing the miniatures. I decided to go with the World of Warcraft board game ones, because they are "free" at this point and only collecting dust. Plenty of miniatures for me to practice on.
That being said, I have been eyeing some more interesting looking miniatures, but can't really make up my mind. I am mostly just looking to paint at this point, because finding some people to play with in this small town is not very likely. Any suggestions? Here's what I have been thinking about:
- Interested mostly about sci-fi, but like fantasy settings too. Not looking for horror etc.
- I have a really soft spot for anything 40k, but I'm not sure they are interesting and varied enough when there is only painting.
- Infinity looks cool and I could perhaps just take my time to make two or three armies for myself and some random friend that might come over.
- Wife wants me to paint some LOTR stuff (if I learn to paint well enough I suppose) so that she could make some dioramas, but I'm not feeling the The Hobbit line (The Hobbit war game..? I mean..I know it's based on the movie more than the book but still).
- Descent looks interesting, but I'm afraid that if the WOW board game ended up gathering dust, the same would happen to Descent .
- Or maybe just some random miniatures without a game attached to them?
On the other hand, I have had time to get some supplies and start preparing the miniatures. I decided to go with the World of Warcraft board game ones, because they are "free" at this point and only collecting dust. Plenty of miniatures for me to practice on.
That being said, I have been eyeing some more interesting looking miniatures, but can't really make up my mind. I am mostly just looking to paint at this point, because finding some people to play with in this small town is not very likely. Any suggestions? Here's what I have been thinking about:
- Interested mostly about sci-fi, but like fantasy settings too. Not looking for horror etc.
- I have a really soft spot for anything 40k, but I'm not sure they are interesting and varied enough when there is only painting.
- Infinity looks cool and I could perhaps just take my time to make two or three armies for myself and some random friend that might come over.
- Wife wants me to paint some LOTR stuff (if I learn to paint well enough I suppose) so that she could make some dioramas, but I'm not feeling the The Hobbit line (The Hobbit war game..? I mean..I know it's based on the movie more than the book but still).
- Descent looks interesting, but I'm afraid that if the WOW board game ended up gathering dust, the same would happen to Descent .
- Or maybe just some random miniatures without a game attached to them?
Maybe just grab a few random miniatures from various things to paint & see what you enjoy the most or what gives you some inspiration?
StaffyManasse
Member
Yeah maybe. I'm going to visit a city with a Games Workshop store in a month. Might cave in and buy some Space Marines.
BattleMonkey
Member
Always good to practice though on some minis you don't care about. Or go buy real cheap minis like some reaper figs to test on before doing stuff you care about.
I wouldn't waste my money if I were you.
Get some unpainted used models on eBay. That way you can probably get a marine or two, some Firewarriors, a couple Eldar etc etc for a couple of £/$/whatever without committing to buying a whole squad or a special unit etc
StaffyManasse
Member
Yeah, I got a box full of those WOW minis to practice on!
You might be right. Better check on the used market.
StaffyManasse
Member
Well my starter supplies have arrived. Too bad it's still around minus 20 decrees celcius outside, so the can primer is out of question. Would it be possible to hand prime maybe two or three minis I don't care much just to get into practicing? Othervise it could be weeks until I am able to prime them with spray.
edit. I mean using the white from the bottle I have, not ordering a separate brush primer at this point
edit. 2 Tried googling and looks like the answer is no. Just need to wait until spring I suppose, or find some place I could so it inside, like a workshop or such.
It's entirely possible to brush prime. Thing is, acrylic white or black is not the same as primer, but it can provide a base to work with.
In my own experiences, it is possible to prime minis in the cold or the heat, you just need to be careful about humidity. If I had to choose between priming in the cold or by hand with acrylics, priming by hand will allow you to recover from mistakes by stripping the paint later. Primer doesn't come off nearly as easily as acrylic.
In my own experiences, it is possible to prime minis in the cold or the heat, you just need to be careful about humidity. If I had to choose between priming in the cold or by hand with acrylics, priming by hand will allow you to recover from mistakes by stripping the paint later. Primer doesn't come off nearly as easily as acrylic.
StaffyManasse
Member
Thanks for the advice. Between our ny earlier post and yours, I did try to be really fast and use our warm warehouse and the balcony to spray one miniature. It's drying now. My initial assesment was that most parts looked okay, but I might have messed up the fingers of the worgen, looks a bit like they might be good for swimming lol.
Edit. Here's the prime job. Maybe I could fix the fish hand by cutting with a hobby knife?
hooijdonk17
Member
That primer went on a bit too thick.. With primers, you do not need to coat the model 100% opaquely unless it will also be your base color, you just want a good adhesive surface for the basecolor to hang on to. It looks like you went for a very long single coat of primer, which went onto the model like a goop of wet paint, then viscosity led to it pooling in the recesses like the gaps between the fingers, hence the membrane-like paint you got there.
Feel free to go in with a sharp hobby knife and remove that excess paint, that will work.
In the future, as stated above, just give it one short burst from all four sides, and leave it to dry. Do this a second time if the coverage is bad. You will rarely ever need a third. When you do the bursts, never start the burst on the figure, start spraying to the left of the figure, then fairly quickly move the spray right to left, kind of moving it across the figure and making a few passes so that it's exposed to the spray for only a second or two.
Why? Two reasons: 1. Dry paint tends to collect at the nozzle and if you start spraying the mini, it will latch on and give you a rough finish. 2. It's easier to control the amount of paint that goes onto the figure this way.
I'm not sure if these were very clear when explaining in words, but you should just google youtube for a miniature priming tutorial. Here's one tha tI think is cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AcJCWk4YqQ
Feel free to go in with a sharp hobby knife and remove that excess paint, that will work.
In the future, as stated above, just give it one short burst from all four sides, and leave it to dry. Do this a second time if the coverage is bad. You will rarely ever need a third. When you do the bursts, never start the burst on the figure, start spraying to the left of the figure, then fairly quickly move the spray right to left, kind of moving it across the figure and making a few passes so that it's exposed to the spray for only a second or two.
Why? Two reasons: 1. Dry paint tends to collect at the nozzle and if you start spraying the mini, it will latch on and give you a rough finish. 2. It's easier to control the amount of paint that goes onto the figure this way.
I'm not sure if these were very clear when explaining in words, but you should just google youtube for a miniature priming tutorial. Here's one tha tI think is cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AcJCWk4YqQ