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MLB '12-'13 OffSeason OT: Magic is the New Market Inefficiency
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Toronto wouldn't support Bobby Cox's wife beating.
The Phillies got Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco for Jason Donald, Lou Marson and Knapp. It was a steal. The Phillies then went on to dump Lee for a pile of crap.
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The Autumn Wind
Don't worry, the Marlins don't have a fanbase.
Ninja Scooter
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I don't understand what is so wrong with it. If the Marlins made it to the playoffs or the World Series and then were sold off piece by piece, I could get the outrage, but this team was terrible, and probably wasn't going to be any better next year. If the Yankees could unload a ton of bad contracts in one spell nobody would be saying they are disrespecting the game, hell the Red Sox just did it and people were praising them. If this was the Phillies finding a taker for Ryan Howard and Cliff Lee would people be asking for Selig to intervene?
Mr. Enigma
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The Marlins have been saying for years that if they got a new, taxpayer-funded stadium, they would be big free agent spenders and would significantly increase payroll. They were obviously liars.
captmcblack
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Move the Rays to that Miami stadium, and contract the Marlins.
Dominican Power
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How can you even compare The Redsox and The Yankees to The Marlins? Those two organizations have done what ever it takes to win year in and year out. They actually put money back into their team. And just because The Sox unloaded all those contracts doesn't mean they're just going to just to stop spending money on their team.
Ninja Scooter
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They did spend money, and it backfired. I think if the team was successful and then in turn, caused people to buy tons of tickets to games, then they probably would have been more likely to keep the team together (though I'm not denying Lauria is scummy, but he ain't the only sports owner who is), but if the team sucks, and nobody is going to watch them, why not suck with a $30 million and try and replenish your farm instead of sucking with a $100 million payroll. From a business standpoint, I don't think there is anything wrong with what the Marlins did. People in Miami weren't going to turn out anyway unless the team was winning 100 games a year. It's a terrible baseball market.
Wanna bet? Can't wait til the Red Sox "Big free agent splash!" is signing Mike Napoli for 2 years/$30 million while John Henry lines his pockets and raises more spending money for his wife.
yankeehater
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I would be.
Mr. Enigma
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The Blue Jays are actually getting $8 million from the Marlins to cover John Buck's entire salary, not just $4 million.
Also, the Marlins announced Adeiny Hechavarria will be the starting shortstop in 2013, not Yunel Escobar.
Also, the Marlins announced Adeiny Hechavarria will be the starting shortstop in 2013, not Yunel Escobar.
That's a pretty myopic appreciation of the situation. Look, it's all about perception. When teams like the Red Sox make moves to dump bad contracts, the perception is that it's in an effort to be more competitive. When the Marlins do it, the perception is that it's to skim money out of the franchise and increase the owner's immediate profit margin at the cost of the team's competitiveness.
Sure, what the Marlins are doing sounds like good business practice, if your goal is to make as much money in the short term as possible. The problem is that sports franchises need to work to maintain a perception of wanting to be competitive in order to keep their fanbase engaged over the long term. If you have an ownership group that is only interested in short term profits, then they aren't acting in the best interests of the organization's long term needs. What Miami needs is an ownership group that is willing to invest in creating a positive perception of the franchise, through patience and an appearance of devotion to the idea of a continual winning product, so that they can build long term revenues.
Then again, with the way profit sharing works in baseball, maybe the Marlins don't need a fanbase to maintain long term revenues. So again, it's good business practice. But it's not competitive practice.
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And they could have continued doing that while playing in Sun Life Stadium. Instead, Loria decided he needed to fleece the county and taxpayers so he could stuff his pockets even more.
The Frankman
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Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Since the creation of the marlins both the redsox and them have won 2 world series
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Is this seriously the only way you know how to judge teams?
Judging teams solely by championships in baseball is something I find to be incredibly silly.
Ninja Scooter
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Then the taxpayers should take their beef up with the politicians who were stupid enough to agree to fund ANY stadium when the team owners have billions sitting in the bank.
gaming_noob
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Which team is going to sign Ichiro Suzuki?
AgentChris
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The Autumn Wind
They did. The mayor was recalled and the entire county commission was fired. There's also an ongoing SEC investigation.
AgentChris
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Yankees.
yankeehater
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Is there any chance Loria gets in trouble for his part? It would be great if he a Selig both went down for this.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
But that's the ultimate goal
That's why you break the bank
That's why are yankees Lakers celtics Steelers are considered some of the greatest franchises ever
Sure there are other measures of success but the marlins have won the world series two times in a fairly short time
Yes that is success
yankeehater
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Imagine how many they would have won if Loria didnt blow the team up after winning before.
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I'd say yes. Here's a great article from last year about all the seedy behind-the-scenes machinations behind the stadium deal.
David Price gets the Cy.
http://bbwaa.com/12-al-cy/
Dat Rodney 1st place vote is the decider lolololol
http://bbwaa.com/12-al-cy/
Dat Rodney 1st place vote is the decider lolololol
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
After which year?
Decent choice, still think Verlander is more deserving though.
Still kind of silly to do it in baseball when the playoffs are such a crapshoot. Those 2 wins by the Marlins are the only two time they've made the playoffs.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Fernando Rodney got hosed. Love that guy who gave him a 1st place vote.
Oh well Price deserved it too.
Oh well Price deserved it too.
I agree.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Also the ballots are great.
The LA writers totally shafted Verlander because they know Cabrera is going to steal the MVP from Trout. Hilarious and awesome.
The LA writers totally shafted Verlander because they know Cabrera is going to steal the MVP from Trout. Hilarious and awesome.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Then they 100 percent in closing out the post season
Yo I don't like or really agree with the strategy
But they have had some success with it
This is why baseball writers are the worst.
Yup, Price might have deserved it if he pitched more innings.
Yes, but the problem is that the people in charge of the Marlins are directly signalling their priority isn't winning. Their priority is maximizing their profit margin, even at the cost of being competitive. That's how they have operated for years. It's why they are considered among the worst franchises ever.
yankeehater
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The team that beat the Yankees. They had a lot of young talent and would have been able to compete for years.
Dmncnby2k9
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Dickey baby!! Fuck yea!!
The Frankman
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CY DICKEY!!!
yankeehater
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Nice to see a knuckleballer win it.