darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Those Rays fans are an odd bunch.
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MLB '12-'13 OffSeason OT: Magic is the New Market Inefficiency
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Those Rays fans are an odd bunch.
Buccaneers not Rays.
Dmncnby2k9
Banned
Dat defense man!
Dmncnby2k9
Banned
Thing is, Trout did every single thing a baseball player is asked to do well. The vote not even being close is crazy, and not making playoffs is a dumb excuse.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Mike Trout is the best defensive player at a premium position. He went 49 for 54 in stolen bases this year. His "traditional" offensive numbers in general are basically equal with Cabrera.
The notion that Mike Trout was a "sabermetrics" pick is honestly just ridiculous. The WAR on sabermetrics is the worst thing going in baseball. It's just utterly mind boggling.
It's truly stupid as fuck.
"These kids with their fancy numbers jerking off in their mothers' basements!"
weekend_warrior
Banned
BBWAA voted overwhelmingly for Cabrera.
People who follow and write about baseball for a living > people who post in a baseball thread on a videogame forum.
This is why you can't make threads.
yankeehater
Member
Miggy had way more homeruns, hit better, and was a huge part of a team making a great come back to make the playoffs. Trout had a great year as well but Miggy definitely had the better year. Nobody puts any weight into defense or stolen bases, unless you are a Lou Brock or Rickey Henderson type player. You cant even argue that Trouts team had a better record since it was only 1 game. I definitely think Miggy was the more valuable player last year and it doesnt surprise me at all that the vote wasnt close.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Oh this is such a good troll post. Nice. You had me going there for a second.
Lou Brock didn't have a single season in his career as good as Mike Trout when it came to stolen bases.
Ninja Scooter
Member
It shouldnt be about just WAR, I agree with you, but again, make a logical, rational argument that Cabrera was more valuable than Trout. He literally wasn't, Trout was better in nearly every conceivable way and we now have the ability to show this with statistics that matter.
DUFFMCWALIN
Member
For me it comes down to this, who do I want on my team, Trout or Cabrera? A guy who is athletic, plays defense, and is young, or a fat third baseman who didn't do much in the WS and can't play much defense. This is an easy answer and Trout had one of the best years of a player EVER.
yankeehater
Member
LOL you really have no idea what you are talking about. Brock stole 118 bases in 1974, one of many season in which he had more steals then Trout had this year. If you are trying to argue SB%, and no one would actually try to do that, Miggy had a 75% success rate this year.
Not really. Cabrera slugged 42 points higher and put up an OPS 36 points higher. Not a huge gap in hitting, but Cabrera put up better offensive numbers.
Cabrera put up better hitting numbers.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
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Mike Trout was at a 90% clip stealing nearly 50 bases, that is really just incredible shit. Lou Brock never had a season like that. In fact he never played a single full season in his career without getting caught stealing more than a dozen times.
But this isn't about him, to say that what Mike Trout does on defense or what he does on the base paths is irrelevant is so ridiculous. You don't have to be a nerdy stathead to realize those things matter and that Trout is one of the best in the game at those things. Cabrera is not.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
One last note because yeah this is getting tiresome, speed doesn't just play into stolen bases. Miguel Cabrera grounded into 28 double plays this season (which was the most in all of baseball). Trout in only 7.
Taking that into account, ignoring stolen bases and runs created on the base paths (because that is much more than just stolen bases), ignoring defense and runs saved in the field - even though those are things you should obviously not be ignoring in the context of this debate and looking solely at what the guys do strictly inside the batters box you can make the argument that Mike Trout had a better year than Cabrera.
Taking that into account, ignoring stolen bases and runs created on the base paths (because that is much more than just stolen bases), ignoring defense and runs saved in the field - even though those are things you should obviously not be ignoring in the context of this debate and looking solely at what the guys do strictly inside the batters box you can make the argument that Mike Trout had a better year than Cabrera.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Is the gap in their hitting numbers anywhere near the gap by which Trout destroys him in every other way? There is no way you can argue that Trout wasn't the most valuable player in baseball. The only reason Miguel won is because of the triple crown and RBI and playoff narrative. Three things that are completely unimportant. That's the truth.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
War, what is it good for?
Neckbeard computer nerds.
yankeehater
Member
Absolutely nothing.
Our mother's won't let us have sharp objects.
lazybones18
Banned
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/11/15/3648036/chipper-jones-jfk-tweets
Okay, who let Chipper watch JFK?
Okay, who let Chipper watch JFK?
yankeehater
Member
It kind seems like moving the goal posts. No ever brought up stolen base % or # of double plays before. MVP almost always goes to the guy with the best offensive numbers.
Nah fuck the Giants. I'm a Dodgers fan. Posey is my boy though.
We have one of the lowest payrolls in baseball. We are a thrifty bunch.
The term you are searching for is "miserly." You have unlimited money, choose to spend none of it because of institutional bankruptcy.
I'm not sure about the "unlimited" part. We're still not the Yankees. I just have no idea how they are going to get back into the top three payroll-tier without making some terrible decisions.
I'm scared.
josh hamiltion 10/400
An expensive tale of drugs, murder, and cancer.
The Globe hit piece on him when he leaves town would be legendary!
Don't you mean his obituary?
fuck you im lactose intolerant
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Wow. Fuck the Blue Jays.
That is highway robbery. Ryan Braun was enough proof that steroids don't do jack shit
That is highway robbery. Ryan Braun was enough proof that steroids don't do jack shit
as long as you keep doing them and don't get caught again
How many roiders does that make on the Jays? Encarnacion, Bautista, Melky...who am i missing?
Might be stacked?
Might be stacked?
BigJonsson
Member
Jays might be stacked and have a very good bullpen
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Performance enhancing drug users are seriously the biggest market inefficiency in baseball. Can't believe the steal the Jays are getting here.
Don't forget the Man in White, who is almost certainly jacked out of his mind on speed and PCP in order to relay tipped pitches as soon as humanly possible to the Jays batters. It's a goddamn travesty is what it is.
