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MLB '12-'13 OffSeason OT: Magic is the New Market Inefficiency

Sanjuro

Member
great deal for the rays.

2013: $6 million
2014: $7.5 million
2015: $11 million
2016: $12.1 million (previous deal called for Longoria to make $11.5 million)
2017: $13 million
2018: $13.5 million
2019: $14.5 million
2020: $15 million
2021: $18.5 million
2022: $19.5 million
2023: $13 million club option (plus incentives) or a $5 million buyout

Does anyone else have a strong feeling the Mets will be paying off the last seven years or so after Evan falls apart?
 
Royals trading Will Meyers would be a mistake. Their window is not in the next two years, they may never get a window. Just throw a revenue sharing checker two at Greinke and get Kazmir and Brandon Webb in extended Spring Training deals.
 

CygnusXS

will gain confidence one day
Royals trading Will Meyers would be a mistake. Their window is not in the next two years, they may never get a window. Just throw a revenue sharing checker two at Greinke and get Kazmir and Brandon Webb in extended Spring Training deals.

Definitely agreed, unless they're trading him for Tommy Hanson.
 

Link

The Autumn Wind
According to the tracking info, mine arrived in Jacksonville this morning. I'll probably get it tomorrow.
 

Drek

Member
I don't think the Red Sox would do Lester for Meyers. I think Tampa might do it for James Shields.

It would be a tough choice for Cherrington, but it would be the right move long term and they can buy starting pitching with all the money they'll have freed up (especially after clearing Lester's $11.6M).
 

jbug617

Banned
It would be a tough choice for Cherrington, but it would be the right move long term and they can buy starting pitching with all the money they'll have freed up (especially after clearing Lester's $11.6M).

In Boston right now in the media there are 2 factions fighting. There is 1 saying that no free agent (Napoli, Swisher, Hamilton) this year deserves a 4 yr contract and the other wants the Red Sox to sign Hamilton.
 

newjeruse

Member
It would be a tough choice for Cherrington...
It shouldn't be. Trading Lester is a no-brainer. Lester has got off scot-free as one of the main problems on the team. He has developed into the world's biggest victim. Every time he doesn't get a call or he doesn't get a break, he completely loses his composure on the mound. He needs to be gone. If they could actually get a legitimate prospect for him (and I don't think KC would trade Myers for him), Cherington should jump at the opportunity.
 

Sanjuro

Member
In Boston right now in the media there are 2 factions fighting. There is 1 saying that no free agent (Napoli, Swisher, Hamilton) this year deserves a 4 yr contract and the other wants the Red Sox to sign Hamilton.

Going after Youkilis short term would be a better option than Napoli.

I can't imagine Lester being dealt for the sake of moving him. You're going to need to get back substantial and take on another veteran.
 

jbug617

Banned
Going after Youkilis short term would be a better option than Napoli.

I can't imagine Lester being dealt for the sake of moving him. You're going to need to get back substantial and take on another veteran.

Meyers is KC #1 prospect and people say he is a 30hr kind of player.
 

Drek

Member
In Boston right now in the media there are 2 factions fighting. There is 1 saying that no free agent (Napoli, Swisher, Hamilton) this year deserves a 4 yr contract and the other wants the Red Sox to sign Hamilton.

And?

If the Sox FO are going to let media perception dictate the terms of how they acquire players then they're well and truly fucked already.

For the Red Sox they simply need to ask themselves if they expect Lester to bounce back and if they expect Buchholz to stay healthy next season. If both are yes then they need to spend money as they'll have a legit 1/2 at the top of the rotation and have a real shot to compete. If the answer to either one is no then it's time to think about how to build the farm and use 3-4 year FA deals to bridge while the young guys come along.

Its as simple as that. If they think those two guys bounce back you keep them and roll the dice on it. If not you aren't competing for the next two or three years regardless, as the pitching simply won't be there.

Now if they trade Lester for someone like Myers that decision is already made for them. Then they can go with a team of short term mercinaries for the near term and maybe get lucky while they wait for the wellspring of young talent to pay off for them. It is an interesting third option.

It shouldn't be. Trading Lester is a no-brainer. Lester has got off scot-free as one of the main problems on the team. He has developed into the world's biggest victim. Every time he doesn't get a call or he doesn't get a break, he completely loses his composure on the mound. He needs to be gone. If they could actually get a legitimate prospect for him (and I don't think KC would trade Myers for him), Cherington should jump at the opportunity.
And they now have Farrell back to help out with those issues. Also, look at Lester's home/road splits. He was damn near traditional Lester numbers on the road. The probability that he bounces back to previous Lester norms is pretty high if you ask me.

Going after Youkilis short term would be a better option than Napoli.

I can't imagine Lester being dealt for the sake of moving him. You're going to need to get back substantial and take on another veteran.
Youk's batting average never rebounded, even with the White Sox. He can't put bat on ball anymore and can't stay healthy. What good does he really serve? Jerry Sands or Mauro Gomez could likely match his production at 1B. Signing Napoli would be a play towards a real home run hitter while also giving them a 1B who can spell the catchers, letting them trade Salty at peak value and have Ross be the veteran mentor who helps bring Lavarnway along. If someone gets hurt or Lavarnway flames out they have Napoli to prevent Ross from being a full time starting C.

This is why I think they're interested in both Napoli and Swisher. When Napoli plays 1B they have Swisher in the OF, when Napoli plays C they can have Swisher play 1B. In two years when Ortiz hangs it up Napoli becomes the full time DH and Swisher becomes the full time 1B, extending both of their careers.

I'm not a huge fan because I hate paying FA prices for anything but the very top tier of corner position players. Its too easy to find slightly lower quality but significantly lower price alternatives. But Napoli and Swisher do both bring unique skill sets from a positioning standpoint.
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
Carlos Ruiz suspended 25 games for testing positive for a banned amphetamine.

FUCK OFF I KNEW IT
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So Ruiz failed for Adderal. Close to 10% of all major league players have permission to use ADHD medicine they just said on DNL, but Ruiz was not one of them. Seems like a really stupid thing to get himself suspended for.
 

Sanjuro

Member
Youk's batting average never rebounded, even with the White Sox. He can't put bat on ball anymore and can't stay healthy. What good does he really serve? Jerry Sands or Mauro Gomez could likely match his production at 1B. Signing Napoli would be a play towards a real home run hitter while also giving them a 1B who can spell the catchers, letting them trade Salty at peak value and have Ross be the veteran mentor who helps bring Lavarnway along. If someone gets hurt or Lavarnway flames out they have Napoli to prevent Ross from being a full time starting C.

This is why I think they're interested in both Napoli and Swisher. When Napoli plays 1B they have Swisher in the OF, when Napoli plays C they can have Swisher play 1B. In two years when Ortiz hangs it up Napoli becomes the full time DH and Swisher becomes the full time 1B, extending both of their careers.

I'm not a huge fan because I hate paying FA prices for anything but the very top tier of corner position players. Its too easy to find slightly lower quality but significantly lower price alternatives. But Napoli and Swisher do both bring unique skill sets from a positioning standpoint.

Because we need a first baseman and historically he delivered at that position?

Napoli's prior season suggests he has nothing to bring to the table for a guy who wants multiple years. Youkilis really has no leverge, only the desire is questionable to come back here.

Swisher is a cancer who can't field. All set.
 

Malo

Banned
Because we need a first baseman and historically he delivered at that position?

Napoli's prior season suggests he has nothing to bring to the table for a guy who wants multiple years. Youkilis really has no leverge, only the desire is questionable to come back here.

Swisher is a cancer who can't field. All set.
Eh, he's about average in rf.
 

Lambtron

Unconfirmed Member
Because we need a first baseman and historically he delivered at that position?

Napoli's prior season suggests he has nothing to bring to the table for a guy who wants multiple years. Youkilis really has no leverge, only the desire is questionable to come back here.

Swisher is a cancer who can't field. All set.
Why bother discussing this? The Twins should just give you all Mauer according to Gordon Estes! First base is solved for the foreseeable future for the Red Sox. Target Field is a pile of smoldering rubble.
 
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