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MLB '12-'13 OffSeason OT: Magic is the New Market Inefficiency

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The Awesomest

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Blearth said:
The Brandon League contract is fucking stupefying.

Just goes to show that all the money in the world can't make up for shitty management (see Mets, Cubs etc.).
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I haven't paid attention to him after we traded him. How did he do? Does he actually ever use his Death Split? Is he still an idiot?
 
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Little Green Yoda

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Opiate said:
I think it's quite true. Both NYY and Boston have obviously made some errors -- as is likely for anyone given enough money and given a long enough period of time just due to statistical variance in performance -- but their consistent representation in the postseason speaks for itself. I don't mean during the post season, which is mostly random chance, but actually getting there, which is much less likely to be caused by random good luck, as the sample size is much larger. The NYY have been to the postseason 9 out of the previous 10 seasons, while the Red Sox have been six times in the same time frame. By comparison, the Dodgers have been four times, the Cubs 3 times, and the Mets once. The Red Sox have gone to the postseason more than the Mets and Cubs combined in this time frame, while the Yankees have been more than the Dodgers, Cubs, and Mets combined.

I'm not sure what your point of reference is; compared to other large market teams with large budgets, the Red Sox and Yankees have performed extremely well.
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First things first. The Yankees aren't comparable to "other large market teams". In your time frame, they've led the majors in opening day payrolls every single year. Dating back to 2002, their opening day payroll was greater than the second place team (in terms of opening day payroll) by 16%, 31%, 46%, 70%, 62%, 33%, 52%, 48%, 27%, 17%, 13% respectively.

http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm

Simply put, they can make up for many mistakes by throwing $$$ at the problem. Not only do they have the highest payrolls, they were well ahead of their competition by quite a bit for many years. Boston isn't far behind - they were 2nd in payroll in 6 of the years in your timeframe, 3rd in payroll in another 2 years.

Dodgers have been mostly hovering in and out of the top 10 payrolls without really breaking into the top 5 (though that appears to be changing :lol) The Cubs were really, really mismanaged for several years but that's nothing new. You don't luck into 100+ years of futility. The Mets appear to have highest payrolls of these NL clubs but this article shows that they were fairly efficient with their dollars on a per win basis (albeit on a smaller timeframe than you suggested).

So I wouldn't say that those large market NL clubs were well run by any means but the two AL powerhouses have had an edge in salary over even the NL's biggest spenders during this period.
 
C

cashman

Banned
Hope Dayton doesn't go full retard on this one.

edit: apparently they got a 27 year old AAA LH reliever named Brandon Sisk
 
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Doogdogg

Member
What, the Royals pick up Ervin HR Santana? Why?

There has to be starters out there going for less than 13M and don't give up 40HR.
 
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zulux21

Member
SuperMalo said:
The Angels are sending $1 million lol
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yeah just read that, I reallly don't get this move by the royals. I know they wanted to spend on pitching but you have to be able to get a better deal on a pitcher than 12mil for E. Santana. I mean sure they didn't trade much to get him, but they easily could have done better.

I am not feeling as bad about the white sox picking up gavin floyd's option for 9.5mil now lol

Heart Attack said:
Kansas is the place where all teams dump washed up players.
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they do have some really nice talent there as well though. Billy Butler is lots of fun to watch bat, and Alex Gordon has developed into a great all around player who is a blast to watch field.
 
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Mr. Enigma

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First the Dodgers giving League a fucking moronic contract and now the Royals taking nearly all of Ervin Santana's contract.

What's next?
 
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Lambtron

Unconfirmed Member
If the Angels will take a mid-teens prospect for Haren and a couple million, I'd hope that Terry Ryan is on the phone right now making this happen.
 
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HarryDemeanor

Member
Brandon League is already trying to jinx us like the Eagles. "We're the team to beat." We didn't even make the playoffs, Brandon. Shut up.
 
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goldlion054

Member
Mr. Enigma said:
First the Dodgers giving League a fucking moronic contract and now the Royals taking nearly all of Ervin Santana's contract.

What's next?
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Delmon Young signs with the Cubs and leads them to the World Series with his incredible defensive plays and triple crown offensive season
 
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XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
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XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Giants to go on victory tour in New York to pay homage to roots:

DETROIT — It has become Mike Murphy’s new biennial tradition. When the Giants win the World Series, he immediately calls Willie Mays. And then he calls his wife.

It’s understandable. Murphy, the Giants’ avuncular equipment manager, and Mays share a deep friendship. It goes all the way back to Murphy’s first day with the team as the Giants’ bat boy in 1958, the year the club moved to San Francisco from New York.

In 2010, when the Giants won their first World Series as a Bay Area team, Murphy did the same thing as he did Sunday night. And the Giants as a team are basically sticking to their script, too. After they won in 2010, they paid homage to their New York roots by sending Mays, the star catcher Buster Posey and the championship trophy to Manhattan for what amounted to a sentimental victory tour of the city.

And now they’re going to do it again. “We’re bringing it back,” exclaimed Giants General Manager Brian Sabean amid the euphoric celebration here Sunday night after his team won Game 4 to sweep the Tigers. “Tell everyone in New York to get ready, because we’re coming with it.”

That may not be such heartening news to the Mets and the Yankees, the two local teams who would prefer to be parading the trophy around the city themselves. But instead it will the Giants, who played in New York for more than 70 years. It was in January 2011 that the Giants contingent carried out its initial championship visit. Sabean was part of the group, as was the team president, Larry Baer, now the team’s chief executive. They met with two groups of old-time New York Giants fans, all of whom faithfully attended games at the old Polo Grounds in Upper Manhattan and never lost their love for the team, despite being abandoned by it. The fans regaled Mays with their recollections of his majesty at the Polo Grounds, and happily listened to his stories.

In addition, Mays and the rest of the Giants contingent visited a public school in Harlem, where Mays told students about living in their community as a young player on the Giants. And the Giants also took the trophy down to Finnerty’s, a Second Avenue pub that has become a New York hub for transplanted Giants supporters from the Bay Area.

“It was a really cool trip,” Posey said Sunday, not long after his two-run homer helped the Giants win the title.

Although there was real heartache when the Giants, who were founded in 1883, left New York, their departure did not engender the same animosity that the Dodgers encountered in deserting Brooklyn for Los Angeles. For one thing, it was the Dodgers’ owner, Walter O’Malley, who was seen as the catalyst — or culprit — in the decision of both teams to move to the West Coast; for another, the Giants, despite their distinguished history in New York, did not have the romance attached to them that the Dodgers did in Brooklyn.

The bitterness was simply more profound among Dodgers fans and, as such, it might be harder for the Los Angeles Dodgers to ever attempt a victory tour of Brooklyn similar to what the Giants are now doing in Manhattan for the second time.

“The whole thing with New York is that we see ourselves as a 130-year-old franchise,” Baer said. “It’s not just the 55 years in San Francisco. The New York roots are important to us and we don’t forget them, so yeah, I’d like to bring the trophy back. I think we should do it every time we win.”

Shawon Dunston, a spring training instructor and part-time coach for the Giants, grew up in Brooklyn, where he was a high school baseball star. His parents still make the borough their home. Dunston said that when the Giants take the trophy back to New York this time, he wants to be a part of the celebration. He also noted that the current Giants had a strong connection to another New York team — the Yankees.

After all, Sabean worked in the Yankees’ front office, and Dick Tidrow, the Giants’ scouting director, was a pitcher on the Yankees’ championship teams in 1977 and 1978. The Giants coaching staff also includes several other former Yankees, most notably Dave Righetti, the pitching coach.

“We learned from the Yankees,” Dunston said. As for the Giants becoming a West Coast dynasty that would mimic the Yankees’ overall success, Dunston said, “We’re not there yet, but we’re getting close, yes we are.”

In fact, the Giants, who now have seven championships, are still 20 shy of the Yankees. Their first title came in 1905, and all six before now were celebrated in New York at some point. And now the seventh will be, too. Perhaps with Mays again joining in the celebration.

“He was all excited and said, ‘Murph, we won it again,’ ” Mike Murphy said Sunday night in the champagne-drenched Giants clubhouse as he recounted his phone call with Mays. “He said he was on pins and needles the whole game. We waited a long time for the first one. Now it seems like every other year, we win one.”
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zulux21

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so mlb trade rumors just posted their free agent picks, I thought the two most interesting choices both involved the rangers
30. A.J. Pierzynski - Rangers. Pierzynski, 36 in December, put on a surprising power display in 2012 with a career-high 27 home runs. He slugged .412 on the road, though, and that's a reasonable projection moving forward. It's difficult to picture A.J. leaving the Sox, though he nearly signed with the Dodgers during the 2010-11 offseason before owner Jerry Reinsdorf stepped in. The White Sox could give the catching job to Tyler Flowers, while Pierzynski could replace Napoli in Texas.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/...s-with-predictions-1.html#bgUkgk4rFbvXDVgh.99
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2. Josh Hamilton - Rangers. Hamilton is a fascinating free agent, combining superstar talent with a lengthy injury history and early-career drug problems. It's going to take a special kind of recklessness to guarantee this man $150MM, and the Dodgers' outfield is already full. This early in the offseason, people toss around speculation on the Tigers, Giants, Phillies, Mariners, Orioles, and Brewers, matches that don't work for me. Though the Rangers won't make Hamilton an offer right out of the gate, he's expected to circle back with them after surveying the market. If Texas has not allocated big money to Greinke at that point, they could go back to the table with Hamilton.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/...s-with-predictions-1.html#bgUkgk4rFbvXDVgh.99
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how do rangers fans feel about those becoming reality lol?
 
BFIB

BFIB

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Per mlbtraderumors, Red Sox interested in Haren.

Aren't they pretty much interested in everyone?
 
hemtae

hemtae

Member
nemss said:
Per mlbtraderumors, Red Sox interested in Haren.

Aren't they pretty much interested in everyone?
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I remember we tried to get Haren in 2011 but it fell through because of the physical or something so we had to settle for Bedard.
 
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RBH

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Two Spanish-language newspapers are reporting the death of former Atlanta Braves pitcher Pascual Perez.

The newspapers, “Hoy” and “Diaro Libre,” report Perez, 55, was killed in his home by an intruder during a robbery.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is working to confirm the reports.

Perez was one of the most colorful pitchers to play the game. His unusual mound demeanor included taunting batters by pretending to shoot them with a gun formed by his hand and throwing a slow, high-arcing curveball known as an “Eephus pitch.”

After being traded from the Pirates to the Braves during the 1982 season he famously missed a start because he kept circling Atlanta on I-285 while trying to find Fulton County Stadium, earning him the nicknames “I-285” and “Perimeter” Perez.

After the 1983 season he was arrested for cocaine possession in his native Dominican Republic. He returned late for the 1984 season but led the Braves in wins and strikeouts.

Released by the Braves in 1986, he joined the Expos and pitched a rain-shortened no-hitter against the Phillies in 1988.

For his career, Perez had a 67-68 record with a 3.44 ERA. He racked up 822 strikeouts in 1244.1 innings while playing for the Pirates, Braves, Expos and Yankees between 1980 and 1991.
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http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/dominican-republic-newspapers-hoy-and-diaro-libre/nStD4/
 
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Mr. Enigma

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Marlins have hired former MLB catcher Mike Redmond as their new manager. He was the manager of the Blue Jays' single-A Dunedin affiliate when hired.

Redmond, 41, retired from active playing after the 2010 season. He made his MLB debut with the Marlins in 1998 and played there from 1998-2004. He was a member of their 2003 World Championship team.
 
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eznark

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Mr. Enigma said:
Marlins have hired former MLB catcher Mike Redmond as their new manager. He was the manager of the Blue Jays' single-A Dunedin affiliate when hired.

Redmond, 41, retired from active playing after the 2010 season. He made his MLB debut with the Marlins in 1998 and played there from 1998-2004. He was a member of their 2003 World Championship team.
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So total tear down-rebuild mode.
 
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cashman

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zulux21 said:
so mlb trade rumors just posted their free agent picks, I thought the two most interesting choices both involved the rangers




how do rangers fans feel about those becoming reality lol?
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If the rangers were to end up with Hamilton, then it will be to a low cost , short term contract so it wouldn't be all that bad of a deal.
 
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Mr. Enigma

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Windu said:
lol the braves have claimed Jordan Schafer.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/braves-claim-jordan-schafer.html

obligatory http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=5955859
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lmao

Remember when Jordan Schafer's hype was so through the roof, he was supposed to make everyone forget about Andruw Jones?

Wren has already told the media this does not affect any of their previous strategies for CF. He said Schafer's role will be strictly to be a lefty off the bench/pinch running.
 
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sf2fanatic

Member
Opiate said:
Notice that all the stupid teams with lots of money are in the NL. I honsetly think that almost singlehandedly accounts for the difference between the NL and AL; Yankees and Boston are both very smart, while LAA are not perfect but also not terrible; the Mets, Cubs, and Dodgers are all complete disasters.
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IMO The Dodgers fall started when the O'Malleys sold the team...

Doogdogg said:
it would be hilarious the Angels ended up trading Haren and Grienke signing with Dodgers.
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Most likey Haren is gone...Free up at aleast 28 Mil for others..Plus hopefully they re sign Hunter.. Heard he's willing to take a paycut to stay on the team. They need the money to cover Wells sorry ass contract
 
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zulux21

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not a big move for the white sox but a surprising one
Switch-hitting outfielder Ken Williams Jr. was traded to the Rockies in exchange for first baseman/outfielder Mark Tracy
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mostly surprising because Ken Williams Jr. is exactly who you think he is white sox former GM current VP Kenny Williams' son lol
Neither player looks like they will make it to the team so I wonder why they bothered to trade away the VP's son lol
 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Chicago White Sox general manager Rick Hahn made his first trade since taking over from Ken Williams on Oct. 25. The oddity of the deal had Williams' son, Kenny Williams Jr., going to the Colorado Rockies for their former manager Jim Tracy's son, Mark.

The younger Williams played at Double-A Birmingham in 2012, hitting .250 with 18 doubles and 30 runs RBIs. The 26-year-old outfielder was drafted by the White Sox in the sixth round of the 2008 draft.
Tracy, 24, hit .264 at Class-A Modesto in 2012.

Ken Williams was promoted to executive vice president when Hahn was elevated to his new position last week. Hahn said he would confer with Williams and team chairman Jerry Reinsdorf on big trades and free-agent signings.

Hahn made his first major transaction Tuesday, signing veteran right-hander Jake Peavy to a two-year, $29 million contract with a third-year vesting option for 2015. The team also picked up the $9.5 million option on right-hander Gavin Floyd for 2013.

death to baseball nepotism
 
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