Look, i've already explained this. This league is simple on purpose, to increase owner engagement. I just want people to participate and have fun, without getting too fantasy hardcore.
MLB 2014-2015 Offseason |OT| Playoff Dreaming
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Look, i've already explained this. This league is simple on purpose, to increase owner engagement. I just want people to participate and have fun, without getting too fantasy hardcore.
It will be interesting to see if Zack goes through the same rehab drama that Harvey did.
Frozenprince
Banned
I hate everything.
This is DIRECTLY correlated with Wheeler throwing more pitches than any other pitcher under 25 the past 2 years. Terry would let him get into the 120's before he was pulled. It was only a matter of time.
Terry is the devil
This is DIRECTLY correlated with Wheeler throwing more pitches than any other pitcher under 25 the past 2 years. Terry would let him get into the 120's before he was pulled. It was only a matter of time.
Terry is the devil
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Gavin Floyd may miss season for elbow surgery to address fracture.
"may" miss season?
Mr. Enigma
Member
There's a small chance he could return in September.
Frozenprince
Banned
If the Sox weren't forcing him into center he'd be a star. I still think they're better served handing him the 2B role. Get what you can for Pedroia.
Terry is a bumbling idiot.
Only reason he doesn't get called out on it is because mets ownership is even worse.
Frozenprince
Banned
The ONLY reason that any of them are still there is because Selig got them Sandy Alderson to basically keep the franchise afloat. Because Bud wouldn't just let someone else into the fraternity because he liked/likes the Wilpon's. A DIRECT conflict of interests in the league, but Bud was a dictator so nobody cared.
The Mets will not be relevant, truly relevant, until the Wilpon's are gone, I fully believe that.
Frozenprince
Banned
Well Manfried is basically just Bud's protege so of course he does.
talisayNon
Member
The problem really is we got rid of the best GM we ever had in Omar. He brought in players that reflected the color of the city and he got us a Beltran strikeout away from the big dance and we end up replacing him with Sandy.
I'm sick of thugs like Wheeler who fold and need TJ at the first sign of pressure. Bring me fighters like Bonilla and Ollie who were the heart and soul of this team
I'm sick of thugs like Wheeler who fold and need TJ at the first sign of pressure. Bring me fighters like Bonilla and Ollie who were the heart and soul of this team
Dmncnby2k9
Banned
a wild talisayNon has appeared!!
You still have Bonilla!
Dmncnby2k9
Banned
chicagocubsfan
Member
Yeah Lester giving up 5 today. Bound to happen with how he was pitching so far.
DUFFMCWALIN
Member
Fuck the Mets.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
At least Wheeler ended up breaking with them and not us. Sabes knew what he was doing!
Frozenprince
Banned
Our catchers are the worst framers I swear. Plawecki is the only + defender and he'll never play.
kingdaddy157
Banned
I am not a Mets fan at all but with this elbow problem phenomenon I think it's more on how the baseballs are made. There's been more tears to the elbows now in the past 15 years than ever. Yet in the 90s and well before that pitchers would throw a lot more pitches than they do in todays game.
Frozenprince
Banned
But not as fast, as hard, or with the motions todays pitchers are using from age 14 on to generate velocity.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
The pitchers breaking in today have a lot more wear now than back then. Kids didn't used to focus on just baseball all year round. We're now seeing those pitchers come into the league who have pitched constantly in Little League, traveling teams, high school, etc. and often throwing a lot harder as well.
I remember hearing (don't remember where or how reputable they were) that Justin Verlander, when he was in high school and this big prospect, was topping out at 94 mph. Now you have guys like Tyler Kolek throwing in the triple digits at 18. That dude's arm is gonna be fucked up.
This too, and I don't know how MLB teams are going to address this. This is in all likeliness going to be the norm going forward.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
chicagocubsfan
Member
Lester is an ace.
kingdaddy157
Banned
I totally agree.
there are loads of kids in HS that can throw in the mid 90s. Not too many of them know where the ball is going, however.
Just because you are a hard thrower doesn't necessarily mean its TJ time.
Don't act like you know him. The ace itself is almost a dead art anyway.
evil solrac v3.0
Member
they need to drill proper mechanics into these kids heads.
Frozenprince
Banned
But they don't because if you mess with a kid that hits 96 at 14, you could take 3-4 MPH off his FB. And coaches want to win and get those big recruits/draft picks.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I think it's Keith Law who mentions that kids under a certain age (like 16 or 17) shouldn't even be throwing curves or sliders. He also rages at college coaches who destroy pitcher elbows. That's the real shame. These coaches out here Dusty Baker'ing guys who aren't even getting paid.
Frozenprince
Banned
You should see what it's like in JP. You think throwing stuff with a slow break is bad? Kids there are throwing Forks and Shuuto (basically a screwball), along with splitters and sinkers. It kills their arms.
A 16 year old putting as much strain on his elbow as we demand most high end, future pro pitchers to do is not healthy. But with the game how it is now, there's no way to fix it.
It reminds me of Matt Harvey in college, he was routinely asked to pitch 130-140 balls a game. A lot of them were power curves too. It's a wonder his arm lasted as long in the pros as it did.
Dominican Power
Member
What these teams need to do stop babying these pitchers and throw them out there. If they get hurt, they get hurt.
That is a bullshit response, no different from people that don't want to believe concussions exist at a developmental level.
Throwing a baseball at a competitive level is a highly unnatural and dangerous motion. The human body simply isn't meant to do that.
Frozenprince
Banned
To throw a ball 100 MPH your arm has to be moving that fast.
The human elbow isn't designed to take that much torque.
The human elbow isn't designed to take that much torque.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
MLB better be good to me this year cuz 49ers are destroying me this offseason.
arguably your arm itself only needs to be going 90-95mph or so, you can get the last so many mph from your wrist
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that being said your arm is still not designed to do that repeatedly.
I still find the way pitch counts are used dumb though. I don't mind pitch counts but 100 being some magical number is dumb as each person is different, especially when we are talking about athletes which in general are freaks compared to normal humans and even less likely to have the same wear and tear done to them over the same time frame.
I mean some pitchers are on a longer leash, but really if we are going to use something like a pitch count we should just be sending every pitcher straight to mris and what not after a game to gauge their arms and figure out where their personal limits are around. lets make it a real individual science
of course this is the modern baseball era where they still do lefty lefty/ righty righty match ups because lefty's in general have a harder time hitting lefties despite having easily accessible personal numbers for players showing when there is an anomaly and a lefty who hits lefties way better than righties comes to the plate. yet they still bring in a left handed pitcher... so I can't expect them to embrace more than a general rule.
Yea. Torques the shit out of your elbow. The underhand softball throw is actually a perfectly natural way to move the arm to throw a ball
Problem... nowhere near 90mph pitches.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Picking up that youth.