Dmncnby2k9
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Nice offseason for the white sox. Team have a nice core.
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MLB 2014-2015 Offseason |OT| Playoff Dreaming
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HarryDemeanor
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I heard there's this great baseball park out in Los Angeles called Dodger Stadium. I'm sure it'd be a great venue to hold an All-Star Game.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
But nobody would show up until the 4th inning.
Yup. If I gotta pick the biggest offseason winner so far, it's the White Sox.
CheDominik
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I'm interested in your opinion MLB GAF.
Because the Sox signed Melky a lot of fans say it's gonna be hard to root for the team because he was caught using steroids.
I was one of those guys, but have changed my stance considerably over the last couple of years. Yeah, cheating is a shitty thing to do, but you hear absolutely disgusting stuff particularly in the NFL(domestic violence, shootings and what not).
So my question is, if your team signed a known steroid user, would you find it harder to root for the team?
btw. Haven't changed my stance on the Hall of Fame though, if you're caught you should have to buy a ticket to get in.
Because the Sox signed Melky a lot of fans say it's gonna be hard to root for the team because he was caught using steroids.
I was one of those guys, but have changed my stance considerably over the last couple of years. Yeah, cheating is a shitty thing to do, but you hear absolutely disgusting stuff particularly in the NFL(domestic violence, shootings and what not).
So my question is, if your team signed a known steroid user, would you find it harder to root for the team?
btw. Haven't changed my stance on the Hall of Fame though, if you're caught you should have to buy a ticket to get in.
No.
And I also disagree with your HoF statement. Nobody, steroids or not, has done what guys like Sosa and Bonds did on steroids, and never will again. That counts for something.
Ninja Scooter
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Every team has had a player who did or still does juice. Getting all caught up in it would be a waste of time and emotion. You might as well just stop watching sports altogether if you are that morally against it.
chicagocubsfan
Member
I don't really see it as a huge deal. But that fake website he made to try and cover it up was pretty lolworthy.
BFIB
Member
I was not a fan of the Cards giving Peralta his deal last year. But, it's not my money to spend, and it's clear that the players and the owners don't have reservations about it.
matthewwhatever
Member
Pretty much this. I don't care if a player did drugs, but if they're a terrible person, then I feel a lot more conflicted.
Roids are the only underbelly to this sport, besides like Pete Rose and shit like that. So to me it's fairly minor in terms of being a negative on the whole sport or even just a team. If I had to take a real stance though I'd go with Matt Holliday's: ban the guy with a failed test for 162 games, no matter what. That way we'd have less of the shitty "will-he-make-it-back for October?" type of questions when guys test positive in September. That would seem to be the right route to take now just so there's no ambiguity about where a player stands in terms of past offenses.
The witch-hunting of guys like Arod has to stop no matter what though. I hate a law that is not applied equally to all players.
The witch-hunting of guys like Arod has to stop no matter what though. I hate a law that is not applied equally to all players.
Mr. Enigma
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Jon Lester's $30 million signing bonus is a new record bonus. The previous record was Vernon Wells getting a $25.5 million signing bonus for his 7-year, $126 million deal signed back in 2008.
CheDominik
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I'm with you there when it comes to punishment. First offense 1 year ban, 2nd offense you're done in MLB.
But I'm not automatically assuming that you're a terrible person just because you took steroids. That honor is reserved for scumbags like Brett Myers, curiously enough very few people brought that up when he was acquired by the Sox, but they're all over Manny or Melky.
What Braun did to the guy who took his samples was despicable though, fuck that guy
I'm all about talking dingers with sports fans. Far better than getting into details about pimples on asses from steroid injections.
The point is often moot though anyway. For instance when Tony Gwynn died, everyone in the media kept saying how he was one of the last greats to play the right way. Sounds like they were covering his checkered past to me!
The point is often moot though anyway. For instance when Tony Gwynn died, everyone in the media kept saying how he was one of the last greats to play the right way. Sounds like they were covering his checkered past to me!
XiaNaphryz
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Ninja Scooter
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his OBP was .600 when he was 39 fucking years old. You can pump all the steroids you want into any other player and they ain't doing that.
while I am not happy Melky is a cheater... I am not finding it any harder to root for a team that has a good chance at contending compared to last years team who wasn't likely to finish over .500.
I bought mlb.tv for the first month just because I missed watching baseball and wanted to see Sale pitch opening day last year... this coming season I will be getting it because I think it will be a fun team to watch.... plus if the white sox don't do well in april the season will be well on it's way to being over since they play almost all of their games against the AL central in april.
Royals, then twins, then Indians, then tigers, then royals again, and then finally Baltimore, and then the twins again (and then the tigers in may)
in general you have to beat your own division to win it.... so if they can't do well in those first 5 weeks it's likely that the season will be a disappointment.
Still hoping the white sox manage to trade Danks for someone though... as Sale + quintana +shark + someone that isn't danks + rodon getting a shot looks like a pretty decent starting pitching on paper.
yup. just because he was a cheater, doesn't make him a bad player. without cheating he likely still would have been really good.
Ninja Scooter
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Everybody was cheating when he was playing. Can you count how many of them had OPS over 1.000 in their late 30s like he did 3 times?
If PEDs helps people do what Barry did then that's all the more reason to allow them. It was a fucking pleasure to watch him play.
Corran Horn
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More importantly. The pitchers were obviously juicing as well.
it's kind of crazy to think that the white sox first draft pick in 2010 (Chris Sale) has only a little bit less WAR then the entire draft history of the phillies from 2004-2014 @_@
Better signing than Sandoval.
You guys are paying Chase Headley over $10m a season. How will the Yankees have any money left for other signings!? What were they thinking??
TarpitCarnivore
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Care to explain why? Considering Sandoval got 100M+ and has been a less productive player I'd gladly take Headley at half the price.
TarpitCarnivore
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I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, but when have the Yankees ever cared about money? It's not the smartest attitude, and albeit a dumb defense by fans like myself, but this isn't a cash strapped organization like the Royals.
Time to scrape the bottom of the barrel for the Capuano's of the world!
Are the Yankees really good enough that you can get pissed at signing a 4.4 fWAR guy???
First time in a long time where our infield defense is good. Feels good man.
This is a good signing bro.
captmcblack
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I really like that signing, actually.
Headley can play 3B so that A-Rod can mostly DH. He can back up Teix at 1B too. He's a switch hitter with similar (and arguably superior, but without the postseason track record) production/defense to Sandoval, but for essentially half the cost. And given he supposedly had 60+ M offers for his services, to get him back for 51/52M is pretty damn good.
Now, the Yankees need to find 1 or 2 SP, and sign Yoan Moncada at ANY COST.
Headley can play 3B so that A-Rod can mostly DH. He can back up Teix at 1B too. He's a switch hitter with similar (and arguably superior, but without the postseason track record) production/defense to Sandoval, but for essentially half the cost. And given he supposedly had 60+ M offers for his services, to get him back for 51/52M is pretty damn good.
Now, the Yankees need to find 1 or 2 SP, and sign Yoan Moncada at ANY COST.
Hopefully they can get Kuorda back if he doesn't retire, and agreed about Moancada. If they can pull that off, I'd be content with this off-season.
Is he going to be worth it in year 3 and 4?
He is only 30, so possibly. Better question...do the Yankees care?
This year and next year is fine but I'd like to get younger that's all.
Steamer is projecting Chase to have a fWAR of 3.9 next year. Assuming the standard 0.5 fWAR drop/year:
3.4
2.9
2.4
He would be an outright bargain.