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MLB 2015 Regular Season |OT| Pickin' Up the Pace of Play
- Thread starter Corran Horn
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Little Green Yoda
Member
Yep. Glad we got a W tonight.
I wish Cooney was starting against Arrieta. I have more faith in Lyons and it seems like a waste to use him against the pitcher who always shuts us down.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Does this final ASG vote not have any restrictions on the amount you can vote? My hand is about to cramp.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
But we have openings in the OOTP GAF league.
Sell me on OOTP and maybe Ill do it.
Little Green Yoda
Member
Jack Scofield
Member
This sucks.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
But we have openings in the OOTP GAF league.
It's on sale at Best Buy. I can get it for $20
I haven't had bad load times with it on the ps4. it takes about 10-20 seconds to load a road to the show game, and I can just go into rest mode and pop back into the road to the show mode so the rest of the loading to get there doesn't matter much.
Sir Alemeth
Member
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XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
It's the annual summer slump!
Regardless of even or odd year, that's at least been consistent.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Ben Revere just gave my entire section the Suck It chop. Newest DX member.
Dominican Power
Member
Mariners getting rekt.
Sir Alemeth
Member
Giants hate the heat confirmed.It's the annual summer slump!
Regardless of even or odd year, that's at least been consistent.
Purple Cheeto
Member
Rule 5 guy who looked good in Spring Training then got suspended 80 games for using a banned substance.
He needs a rope around his neck
brianjones
Member
giants fans aren't so vocal lately 😃
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Summer slump is a known entity, like clayclay failing in the postseason.
Albert Pujols is having a solid year, probably his best since joining the Angels.
I think he really damaged his legacy by going to LA. I'm not sure who is going to remember him especially fondly now: STL fans will to an extent, but the departure left some sour and certainly won't make him an Ozzie Smith or Stan Musial style local hero (other comparisons: Buster Posey, Miguel Cabrera. You don't have to play your whole career in a place, just a huge chunk of it, and don't leave on sour terms). And too, most LAA fans likely expected more out of him, knowing they were getting one of the great players but not necessarily realizing he was already entering his decline phase. He hasn't been terrible for the Angels by any stretch, but he won't be remembered for his play with them, either.
All of this is compounded by the fact that Pujols' play is not particularly flashy. He doesn't hit .400, he does hit 55 home runs, he doesn't play a flashy position like shortstop or center. He's just an extremely solid hitter who walks a lot, strikes out very infrequently, hits a good amount of home runs and hits for a high-but-not-incredible average consistently and plays a very solid first base. You add all that up over time, and you're looking at one of the 20 best players in MLB history. But he probably won't be remembered that way, because he's a terribly unsexy player relative to his skill and because no fanbase is emotionally invested in making sure everyone knows how awesome he was.
I think he really damaged his legacy by going to LA. I'm not sure who is going to remember him especially fondly now: STL fans will to an extent, but the departure left some sour and certainly won't make him an Ozzie Smith or Stan Musial style local hero (other comparisons: Buster Posey, Miguel Cabrera. You don't have to play your whole career in a place, just a huge chunk of it, and don't leave on sour terms). And too, most LAA fans likely expected more out of him, knowing they were getting one of the great players but not necessarily realizing he was already entering his decline phase. He hasn't been terrible for the Angels by any stretch, but he won't be remembered for his play with them, either.
All of this is compounded by the fact that Pujols' play is not particularly flashy. He doesn't hit .400, he does hit 55 home runs, he doesn't play a flashy position like shortstop or center. He's just an extremely solid hitter who walks a lot, strikes out very infrequently, hits a good amount of home runs and hits for a high-but-not-incredible average consistently and plays a very solid first base. You add all that up over time, and you're looking at one of the 20 best players in MLB history. But he probably won't be remembered that way, because he's a terribly unsexy player relative to his skill and because no fanbase is emotionally invested in making sure everyone knows how awesome he was.
I think Adrian Beltre is another example of a player who isn't particularly sexy (relative to his skillset) and who doesn't really have a loyal fanbase to advocate for him once he's left the game. By contrast, If Posey retires a giant, you can bet Giants fans won't let others forget what an amazing player he was (and is).
CosmicQueso
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Top 20 could be tough. He's not even the best hitter of his era (love him or hate him, Alex Rodriguez is the best active hitter) and he's nowhere near Bonds territory. Sure, both of those are tainted careers, but if we're just looking at the numbers...
I'd get him in the top 30, and agree with you that he'll be respected but a bit unappreciated.
Best comparable in my head is Frank Robinson or an Eddie Mathews. Great players, but not sure they are beloved.
Pujols gets a lot of run in Southern California, but of course ESPN doesn't pay much attention to the west coast so the rest of the country doesn't think of Pujols like they used to.
Well, Buster is the new face of baseball. Beltre's Seattle stint didn't do him any favors, and now he's toiling in Arlington, one of baseball's true backwaters.
Not even sure Beltre is a Hall of Famer. Maybe he is. Dude reminds me of Don Sutton a bit. You like him on your team, but other than that you don't think about the guy.
Dmncnby2k9
Banned
lol Small Pac!
He's already in the top 20 in terms of career WAR, with multiple years left to hit top 10-15. Not that WAR is definitive by any means, but it's probably worth mentioning that Pujols will very likely end his career with more WAR than Mickey Mantle or Lou Gehrig.
Yes, those might be good comparisons.
Silver Arrows
Banned
Triple XXX?
Frozenprince
Banned
I think you're vastly underestimating just how much Cardinals fans still love the machine.
WELCOME TO THE XANDER ZONE
Soo Harper has an ISO of .370. insane.
that would be good enough for 22/23 all time season if he keeps it up.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...am=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=12,d
Of course Barry Bonds 2001 is tops. .536. Next is 1920/1921 Babe Ruth .473/.469
that would be good enough for 22/23 all time season if he keeps it up.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...am=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=12,d
Of course Barry Bonds 2001 is tops. .536. Next is 1920/1921 Babe Ruth .473/.469
Dmncnby2k9
Banned
on name alone, Xander deserves to be in
The Red Sox have some of the best names. Xander Bogaerts, Mookie Betts, Brock Holt..
Frozenprince
Banned
Advanced Analytics are for idiots though, right RAJ?
Seriously that Phillies number, holy shit.
Silver Arrows
Banned
If there's one thing I can give the Red Sox ( And good god I hate doing this ) is that this quote is very much true.
Dominican Power
Member
Gardner deserves to go in.
CosmicQueso
Member
Well, perhaps my rebuttal just proves your point after all lol.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Can the MLB create a Final Final Vote specifically for A-Rod?
Silver Arrows
Banned
I'll vote for the one true hero baseball needs.
Ew no way.
I wish I had a ps4. I couldn't justify getting it instead of the xbox one just for one game.
It all hinged on when to take Lyons out imo. Throw Hatley in to a game like this as his first real test and you concede the game. God do we need Jaime and to a lesser extent Walden back.
If he was saving relievers for game 2 why not bring in Villanueva in that situation, he would've probably been a better option, and yea we need them back