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[brianjones]

I mean you have to give up something good to get something good

there's half a dozen teams that would want chapman I don't think he'd be given away for peanuts

 

[CosmicQueso]

still missing the point, which is that torres' value IS to us right now, as trade bait. not later. using him for chapman means you can't use him for something else,

But Chapman is exactly the kind of guy you use trade chips for.

I don't get the negativity on this deal.

What is better value than a guy that will slam the door at the back end of a bullpen in a playoff situation?

 

[gamz]

having "plenty of chips" has no bearing on this one particular chip's value, and doesn't mean he is any less valuable.

i'm done arguing, i don't even think it would be THAT bad of a trade. it's just not the best use of his value.

It's the best use of his value right now tho.

If they can get a cost control stud starter for torres it would already happen. Whatever, I trust our FO.

 

[17 Seconds]

But Chapman is exactly the kind of guy you use trade chips for.

I don't get the negativity on this deal.

What is better value than a guy that will slam the door at the back end of a bullpen in a playoff situation?

value that lasts for longer than 3 months. i mean, do we really need to dig into the concept of rentals?

 

[CosmicQueso]

Rentals have won plenty of championships.

It's the best use of his value right now tho.

If they can get a cost control stud starter of torres it would already happen.

Lol no one is giving up a quality major league starter with years of control for a guy in high A. Cmon now.

 

[17 Seconds]

Lol no one is giving up a quality major league starter with years of control for a guy in high A. Cmon now.

who said that torres would be getting that by himself?

fucking cubs fans making me argue against the cubs

 

[gamz]

Lol no one is giving up a quality major league starter with years of control for a guy in high A. Cmon now.

exactly my point!

 

[Malo]

Jeimer Candelario and Warren could be the other pieces in the deal according to the NY Post. Warren coming back home.

Never heard of Candelario, can any cubs fan here give a quick scouting report?

 

[17 Seconds]

exactly my point!

no, you're just high fiving anyone that even kind of agrees with you. none of your points were at all similar to that. nobody said that torres would get a young cost controlled starter in a 1 for 1.

 

[gamz]

Jeimer Candelario and Warren could be the other pieces in the deal according to the NY Post. Warren coming back home.

Never heard of Candelario, can any cubs fan here give a quick scouting report?

Candy is a fringe prospect at best.

 

[CosmicQueso]

who said that torres would be getting that by himself?

fucking cubs fans making me argue against the cubs

What did you call me?!?!? Them's fighting words!!

Cubs fans will feel much better about the deal when Chapman is closing out the final game of the World Series.

And there will be Addisson Russell, and I'll weep.

But I do know that the A's trading Russell for Lester was the right move to make for the A's. It just didn't work out.

 

[CygnusXS]

Jeimer Candelario and Warren could be the other pieces in the deal according to the NY Post. Warren coming back home.

Never heard of Candelario, can any cubs fan here give a quick scouting report?

He looks like a candle, but not the tall skinny kind. The 3-wick Bath and Body Works scented kind.

 

[gamz]

What did you call me?!?!? Them's fighting words!!

Cubs fans will feel much better about the deal when Chapman is closing out the final game of the World Series.

And there will be Addisson Russell, and I'll weep.

But I do know that the A's trading Russell for Lester was the right move to make for the A's. It just didn't work out.

Wasn't Lester. It was Shark.

 

[Malo]

Candy is a fringe prospect at best.

MLB.com has him as the cubs 7th best prospect. That doesn't scream fringe to me.

 

[17 Seconds]

What did you call me?!?!? Them's fighting words!!

Cubs fans will feel much better about the deal when Chapman is closing out the final game of the World Series.

And there will be Addisson Russell, and I'll weep.

But I do know that the A's trading Russell for Lester was the right move to make for the A's. It just didn't work out.

the right move? they traded him (plus mckinney) for samardzija and hammel, and it was a disaster that is widely viewed as one of the worst trades in recent years. it's like, the exact opposite of what you would want to cite as an example.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Wasn't Lester. It was Shark.

Yep. I've tried to block it all out since then.

Shark and Hammel. Whateves. Still the right move.

the right move? they traded him (plus mckinney) for samardzija and hammel, and it was a disaster that is widely viewed as one of the worst trades in recent years. it's like, the exact opposite of what you would want to cite as an example.

It was still the right move at the time.

Just because the deal didn't work out doesn't mean the deal itself was bad.

 

[CosmicQueso]

DP

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

Jeimer Candelario and Warren could be the other pieces in the deal according to the NY Post. Warren coming back home.

Never heard of Candelario, can any cubs fan here give a quick scouting report?

I saw him last night in Memphis, actually. Thought he looked pretty good, personally. Hit a nice double. If I'm remembering right, I thought he had a really good arm and made a nice play or two.

Speaking of that, the Cubs have a 1B in AAA with hair that rivals Thor's, IMO. The beard doesn't quite work with it, though

 

[17 Seconds]

Yep. I've tried to block it all out since then.

Shark and Hammel. Whateves. Still the right move.



It was still the right move at the time.

Just because the deal didn't work out doesn't mean the deal itself was bad.

you're in like the .001% with that opinion

 

[CosmicQueso]

you're in like the .001% with that opinion

Okay? If you want to argue the point itself that's cool but you're starting to come across as a little bit personal with some of your posts.

We are all friends here.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

the market for SP is so fucked up that at this point the only way to trade for a good one (with team control) is to gut your farm.

 

[billeh]

Candelario NOT included in the trade, per Twitter.

Please just get Miller instead, do not want to deal with Aroldis' off-field bullshit.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

Yanks can have Warren back if they want.

 

[harSon]

the market for SP is so fucked up that at this point the only way to trade for a good one (with team control) is to gut your farm.

Good thing our entire AAA rotation consists of potential MLB sp talent (Taillon, Glasnow, Kuhl, Brault, Trevor Williams, Kingham...)

 

[Malo]

Yanks can have Warren back if they want.

Only if ya take Castro back.

 

[gamz]

Only if ya take Castro back.

So it was a fair trade. lol

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Good thing our entire AAA rotation consists of potential MLB sp talent (Taillon, Glasnow, Kuhl, Brault, Trevor Williams, Kingham...)

That's def where the value is. Not a market inefficiency by any means, but having a farm/team loaded with cost controlled SP that you supplement with position players via trade/FA is probably much more enviable than the opposite.

 

[Choomp]

Speaking of that, the Cubs have 1B in AAA with hair that rivals Thor's, IMO. The beard doesn't quite work with it, though

Oh man I'm so down with that look, sexy as fuq

 

[CygnusXS]

6-9

 

[HarryDemeanor]

Dodgers pls.

 

[brianjones]

finally over

3.5 back

 

[BFIB]

Cards at least made the score respectable.

 

[rando14]

Jeez Cubs fans werent kidding.... all this Vogelbach kid does is rake and get on base

I've never felt hope like this before...!!

 

[sf2fanatic]

finally over

3 back

Fixed. We need that extra half game.


We survived this road trip. And come back to face a possibly new pitcher on our team(Archer)

 

[harSon]

Give us Meadows or Glasnow and we'll gladly give you guys a reliever.

We don't really need a reliever anymore. Our bullpen has the best era in baseball over like the last 40 days.

We'll take Eovaldi off of you for nothing, and transform him into a good player like we do everyone you trade to us :3

 

[Frozenprince]

Mets talking to the Brewers about one of their BP arms.

Hopeful it's Jeffress.

 

[gamz]

Jeez Cubs fans werent kidding.... all this Vogelbach kid does is rake and get on base

I've never felt hope like this before...!!

When are they gonna call him up?

 

[Dmncnby2k9]

Mets talking to the Brewers about one of their BP arms.

Hopeful it's Jeffress.

Talking lucroy also.

 

[BumRush]

Mets talking to the Brewers about one of their BP arms.

Hopeful it's Jeffress.

Speculation is Lucroy and a BP arm for TDA and a top prospect, per MLBTRADERUMORS

 

[chicagocubsfan]

Could Cashman wake up already? Like to get this trade done.

 

[Choomp]

Speculation is Lucroy and a BP arm for TDA and a top prospect, per MLBTRADERUMORS

I'm on board, even though it'd have to be pretty good prospects at that point

 

[BumRush]

I'm on board, even though it'd have to be pretty good prospects that point

It'd most likely be one of our top 3, which I don't love. But apparently Milwaukee was scouting our low A teams so maybe there is someone else on their radar..

 

[gamz]

Could Cashman wake up already? Like to get this trade done.

Some say the holdup is the Cubs trying to get a contract extension. I don't believe that for a second. No way Chapman isn't going to be a FA after this year.

 

[GK86]

Speculation is Lucroy and a BP arm for TDA and a top prospect, per MLBTRADERUMORS

I would make that trade.

 

[BumRush]

I would make that trade.

Especially if it is Jeffress.

 

[gamz]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 6m6 minutes ago

Source: #Yankees-#Cubs trade, if completed, is not simply a 2-for-1 - Torres and another prospect for Chapman. “Much more than that.”

 

[BFIB]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 6m6 minutes ago

Eovaldi is my guess.

 

[BumRush]

Eovaldi is my guess.

I think Chapman / Eovaldi gets a lot more than 2 prospects though.

 

[gamz]

Done deal. They are getting 4 fucking players back? Damn!

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 38s38 seconds ago
Source: #Cubs, #Yankees working through final stages of trade. Players agreed upon.


Joel Sherman ✔ @Joelsherman1
This is what heard on Chapman from #Yankees to #Cubs: Hal Steinbrenner has given blessing. Yankees likely getting 4 players back (cont)

Joel Sherman ✔ @Joelsherman1
#Cubs deal to #Yankees would be headed by Gleyber Torres and Adam Warren is in deal. Neither Jorge Soler nor Javier Candelario is in deal

 

[RBH]

The real big news of the day!

Correction: #Braves expect to hold Francoeur unless they receive strong offer. Earning $1M. Team values his leadership and makeup.

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/757428157590958080