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[MASB]

Yankees fans and management must be cheering. A 100 game suspension for A-Rod would be a net gain for them (I'm sure he'll be paid anyway, but at least he'll be out of the way). Looking at his stats, what has the man really done in 5 years?

It's amazing how out of hand, even seemingly in comparison to other sports, that baseball salaries have become. It seems like batters that can barely reach .200 or .250 are getting tens of millions. They're not going to help a team win anything. They're barely a utility player and yet the millions and tens of millions roll in.

 

[StudioTan]

Melky not Miguel.

Melky was already suspended for 50 games. Why should he get suspended again?

 

[Octavion Rex]

Melky not Miguel.

Oh my bad, thanks for the correction!

 

[Enron]

Yankees fans and management must be cheering. A 100 game suspension for A-Rod would be a net gain for them (I'm sure he'll be paid anyway, but at least he'll be out of the way). Looking at his stats, what has the man really done in 5 years?

It's amazing how out of hand, even seemingly in comparison to other sports, that baseball salaries have become. It seems like batters that can barely reach .200 or .250 are getting tens of millions. They're not going to help a team win anything. They're barely a utility player and yet the millions and tens of millions roll in.

Oh boy, now you've gone and done it.

 

[Error]

Might as well let them get all roided up, it has worked for the NBA.

 

[Lambtron]

Chase Utley will be remembered as one of the top two players of the 2000s. A-Rod and Cano may have both been cheating.

I love Chase, but my oh my.

 

[Mully]

Yankees fans and management must be cheering. A 100 game suspension for A-Rod would be a net gain for them (I'm sure he'll be paid anyway, but at least he'll be out of the way). Looking at his stats, what has the man really done in 5 years?

It's amazing how out of hand, even seemingly in comparison to other sports, that baseball salaries have become. It seems like batters that can barely reach .200 or .250 are getting tens of millions. They're not going to help a team win anything. They're barely a utility player and yet the millions and tens of millions roll in.

Ehhhh.

I'm not rejoicing just yet.

I'm really nervous about the amount of present and former Yankee players that have been a part of the Mitchell Report and this list. Just look at the list and they're all over the place. Even Montero is on there!

It makes me wonder if the Yankee front office has something to do with this.

 

[Link]

Melky was already suspended for 50 games. Why should he get suspended again?

Not sure if serious?

First positive test result: 50 game suspension
Second positive test result: 100 game suspension
Third positive test result: lifetime ban from MLB

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Won't be happy if the Tigers lose Peralta for 100 games. He's been having a really good season so far (even if there's been some BABIP related luck involved).

I think the idea of treating these players as having two separate offenses will never work, though. The Players Association might accept 50 game suspensions, but not 100.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

We need more participants in our MLB Gaf thread that is stuck in Community hell. Join us.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=61317545

I would join, but Shit talking about baseball is no fun.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Just ban baseball, there are plenty of other equally effective ways to combat insomnia.

like saying ignorant and dumb comments on topics you know nothing about.

After it's revealed that he's really 41 years old.

hey, screw you. you have no idea what it's like down there being poor. none.

I feel like most posters who are fans of teams of potentially suspended players are willing to look the other way in order for their team to win. Something similar to Jon Voight in Varsity Blues when it comes to Billy Bob...

I don't care if they Roid, makes the game more fun. I want to watch play not be saints.

If ARod's been using performance enhancing drugs he's been getting ripped off.

when he was using with the rangers he was a monster.

Yankees fans and management must be cheering. A 100 game suspension for A-Rod would be a net gain for them (I'm sure he'll be paid anyway, but at least he'll be out of the way). Looking at his stats, what has the man really done in 5 years?

It's amazing how out of hand, even seemingly in comparison to other sports, that baseball salaries have become. It seems like batters that can barely reach .200 or .250 are getting tens of millions. They're not going to help a team win anything. They're barely a utility player and yet the millions and tens of millions roll in.

seems and is are two different things.

 

[3N16MA]

I hope Cano gets nailed.

Going to be hard to prove anything regarding Cano. His name supposedly does not show up on any list. Only the spokeswoman for his foundation has a connection and even then she did not sign any documents. The $300 that was charged to her was consistent with a weight loss program.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I would join, but Shit talking about baseball is no fun.

You haven't been around when the post-season approaches. And then post-season is where the real major fun starts up since everyone's mostly watching the same games. ;P

 

[3N16MA]

They were clean all the way through. That's just father time taking it's course. They could have had more years if only they took PEDs.

Chase Utley will be remembered as one of the top two players of the 2000s. A-Rod and Cano may have both been cheating.

What?

 

[XiaNaphryz]

What?

Bonds doesn't count because of teh steroidz.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

I would join, but Shit talking about baseball is no fun.

the shallower sports(looking at you NBA) do that because outisde of the game itself they have nothing more to speak about. we have many other topics within/about that are baseball related. we don't resort to childish insults (unless it's the mest) we're in a higher plane.

 

[vas_a_morir]

Are you thinking of Miguel Cabrera? Because he's not on the list.

Oh, he's on *A* list, somewhere out there. Just a matter of time.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Ban them all

Send in Bish

 

[JABEE]

Bonds doesn't count because of teh steroidz.

Utley during his prime had the second best WAR in all of baseball behind only Albert Pujols. Chase Utley was on a great pace before getting injured. I think he's done enough during his time to be among the top players not involved in PEDs.

That's for a different thread though.

 

[Octavion Rex]

the shallower sports(looking at you NBA) do that because outisde of the game itself they have nothing more to speak about. we have many other topics within/about that are baseball related. we don't resort to childish insults (unless it's the mest) we're in a higher plane.

Agreed 90% mental 10% physical! Baseball ftw

 

[sf2fanatic]

Give KeMVP what he supposed to get 2 yrs ago

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Utley during his prime had the second best WAR in all of baseball behind only Albert Pujols.

EDIT: I'm saying you weren't counting Bonds cuz of the PEDs.

 

[JABEE]

Errr, Bonds played several seasons in the 2000s too you know.

I know, but he was on mega-roids.

 

[3N16MA]

Utley during his prime had the second best WAR in all of baseball behind only Albert Pujols. Chase Utley was on a great pace before getting injured. I think he's done enough during his time to be among the top players not involved in PEDs.

That's for a different thread though.

From 2005-2009 he was a beast but when you look at 2000-2009 (2000s) he will not be remembered as a top 2 player. He did not play from 2000-2002 and did not play full seasons from 2003-2004.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I know, but he was on mega-roids.

Roids or not, his plate discipline and awareness of the strike zone was goddamn impressive.

 

[cashman]

Roids or not, his plate discipline and awareness of the strike zone was goddamn impressive.

This. I'm all for roids if you can have those type of seasons with them.

 

[rando14]

This. I'm all for roids if you can have those type of seasons with them.

2004 Barry Bonds .362/.609/.812

Still absolutely blows my mind

 

[Sephzilla]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the clinic itself even come out and confirm Braun only contacted them for consulting regarding that mess from last off-season? Sounds like MLB's trying to get even for last time.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

2004 Barry Bonds .362/.609/.812

Still absolutely blows my mind

I would shoot horse semen into my balls if I could do that.

Give KeMVP what he supposed to get 2 yrs ago

I agree. It will make it easier to identify when he peaked.

 

[MIMIC]

What a sham sport.

 

[chickdigger802]

baseball is definitely gonna be the first sport where cyborgs are gonna be allowed, like that arcade game.

 

[Mr. Enigma]

I would join, but Shit talking about baseball is no fun.

It's not shit talking. It's just mostly making fun of the Mets.

 

[Northeastmonk]

A-Rod is one player I always thought was amazing growing up. This is sad.

You know who didn't use performance enhancement drugs? Ozzy Smith.

 

[Kastrioti]

where is that dumb bitch erron to defend his boyfriend braun now? #EXONERATED

True, everyone knew Braun was a fraud except for Arron. Can't wait to see his response (if any...)

 

[StudioTan]

Not sure if serious?

Because if this is where he got his PEDs from in the first place it would be part of the same infraction. He would have to test positive another time AFTER his suspension.

 

[Jangocube]

Definitely needs more Yankees on the list.

 

[Madness]

How about they go after the drunk drivers, domestic abusers, and rapists?

Dude what? MLB is going to suspend them, they're not being arrested and charged. And why would MLB go after drunk drivers or abusers?

As for my feelings. I have no qualms with steroids for personal use. You're not competing with anyone, you're not getting paid, you're not cheating trying to improve yourself. But these substances are banned in sports for a reason. It gives certain people an edge that others don't have. Steroids ruined baseball and I blame Selig. He should have nipped this in the bud in the early 90's.

 

[not psycho]

2004 Barry Bonds .362/.609/.812

Still absolutely blows my mind

.362 OBP and .609 slugging? That's good, but not oh wait .609 OBP and .812 slugging my god.

 

[Link]

baseball is definitely gonna be the first sport where cyborgs are gonna be allowed, like that arcade game.

As long as they replace the umpires first.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

2004 Barry Bonds .362/.609/.812

Still absolutely blows my mind

And that was with his fourth straight season with 10+ WAR and a 200+ wRC+. He also had a 37.6% walk rate and 6.6% strikeout rate that year, which is seriously insane.

 

[DUFFMCWALIN]

I always knew Braun had something in him.

I think we can all agree 2004 Bonds is one of the greatest seasons a baseball player has ever produced.

 

[DietRob]

You know what would curtail this ongoing problem with baseball? Lifetime bans. Perm them Bish.

If MLB is cool with doing it to Pete for gambling then they should do it to cheaters.

 

[Madness]

I'm pretty sure Griffey was clean throughout his career too... He declined with grace. He didn't start putting your ridiculous stats like others on the juice.

 

[dmag1223]

No one outside the "baseball purists", (aka old guys) really care anymore anyway. Just let them all use.

I do have to laugh when non baseball fans come into these threads and act like this is only a baseball issue. Do people really think this isn't going on in other sports, particularly the NFL?

 

[Aylinato]

Oh, he's on *A* list, somewhere out there. Just a matter of time.

Hall of fame list

 

[Ninja Scooter]

How about they go after the drunk drivers, domestic abusers, and rapists?

 

[Madness]

No one outside the "baseball purists", (aka old guys) really care anymore anyway. Just let them all use.

I do have to laugh when non baseball fans come into these threads and act like this is only a baseball issue. Do people really think this isn't going on in other sports, particularly the NFL?

It affects every sport from MMA, NFL, NBA, NHL, rugby, soccer, track and field, swimming etc.

Fuck that, about letting steroids slide in competition sports. Where does it end? What's the accountability? It'll become like modern bodybuilding, where no one who is natural even has a chance.

And if steroids are allowed, you know how harmful they are to health? Kids and teens would start using as well. Put up huge stats in their teen years so they get selected early etc.

If anything, lifetime bans from the HoF, invalidating their stats etc. Would be a start.

 

[SteveWinwood]

I'm the first to say that dummy needs to be locked up.

 

[entremet]

Aren't all athletes on PEDs on some form of the other. Testing is joke. Look at the professional cycling and all Lance Armstrong got away with for so long. When we're talking about millions of dollars, don't be surprised if people do anything to get a competitive advantage and then you're talking about sports that abuse the body like football, and the super long seasons of hockey and basketball?

And even if they don't take roids, what about drugs that help in recovery like HGH? They cat is out of the bag and has been since the 60s.

It affects every sport from MMA, NFL, NBA, NHL, rugby, soccer, track and field, swimming etc.

Fuck that, about letting steroids slide in competition sports. Where does it end? What's the accountability? It'll become like modern bodybuilding, where no one who is natural even has a chance.

And if steroids are allowed, you know how harmful they are to health? Kids and teens would start using as well. Put up huge stats in their teen years so they get selected early etc.

If anything, lifetime bans from the HoF, invalidating their stats etc. Would be a start.

Bodybuilding became a freak show because the mass monsters started winning shows. So aspiring body builders followed the money.

Those other sports don't just require mass to succeed. Heck look at Lance Armstrong, juiced to the gills, but he looked like a normal cyclist.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

It affects every sport from MMA, NFL, NBA, NHL, rugby, soccer, track and field, swimming etc.

Fuck that, about letting steroids slide in competition sports. Where does it end? What's the accountability? It'll become like modern bodybuilding, where no one who is natural even has a chance.

And if steroids are allowed, you know how harmful they are to health? Kids and teens would start using as well. Put up huge stats in their teen years so they get selected early etc.

If anything, lifetime bans from the HoF, invalidating their stats etc. Would be a start.

I'm sure the little kids from central and south america who grew up without a penny to their name give a shit about the HoF and stats when it means a shot at tens of millions of dollars.