even with the injuries he has been one of the most valuable players since 2005.
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MLB looks to suspend A-Rod, Ryan Braun, 20+ others for PEDs
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Angry Fork
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I would agree but this would A. fuck over people who want to play without them, B. If there are no limits/regulations then how much will they cost, only the Yankees can afford to pay for the entire team, etc. and C. inevitably cause issues with kids in school playing baseball. Some parents will allow their kids to test them out in order to 'prepare' for the big leagues and so on. It would probably be a mess, but I do think the witch hunt is over the top.
Whenever you have millions and millions of dollars on the line like you do in professional athletics, these athletes are always going to look for the next best thing, and more than likely stay one step ahead of the process. Witch hunts like these do nothing but hurt the sport.
Honestly, if I was from a dirt poor Latin American country like a lot of these guys, I would take the PHDs. The risk of getting caught is heavily outweighed by financial gains,
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Ninja Scooter
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Of course it is. What does it say about the MLB and how serious and effective drug testing is when 20 guys are about to get busted and what, 1 or 2 of them actually tested positive? Basically 90% of hte league could easily get away with it if they weren't morons who used their real names when they bought shit.
Lol well they aren't going to help him actually hit the ball.
entremet
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And they you have stuff like cortisone shots, which are steroids, allowed due to being administered on injured players are somehow allowed. Fuzzy logic there.
Elwood Blues
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I hope they all get suspended except Braun. Not because I like Braun, but because it would be hilarious.
Steroids aren't just about mass. They help you gain strength, build muscle, recover quicker, train harder and better than before.
The cat isn't out of the bag. Testing is highly affective, if MLB actually followed rigorous testing. How about a urine and blood sample before every game? And random testing that is kept on file.
Testing standards improve everyday. It's why so many organizations and committees like the Olympics keep samples for decades. So that if a guy like Michael Phelps or Usain Bolt was juicing, they might catch it when they redo testing after years or something.
I agree, they should have nipped it in the bud in the early 90's but they didn't.
And it'll devastate competitive sports. Not only would you probably get a few heart attacks, deaths etc. But you'd actively tell teens they only have a shot if they juice. And so you'll have 13-14 year old pitchers start to inject test or take Winstrol etc.
The cat isn't out of the bag. Testing is highly affective, if MLB actually followed rigorous testing. How about a urine and blood sample before every game? And random testing that is kept on file.
Testing standards improve everyday. It's why so many organizations and committees like the Olympics keep samples for decades. So that if a guy like Michael Phelps or Usain Bolt was juicing, they might catch it when they redo testing after years or something.
I agree, they should have nipped it in the bud in the early 90's but they didn't.
And it'll devastate competitive sports. Not only would you probably get a few heart attacks, deaths etc. But you'd actively tell teens they only have a shot if they juice. And so you'll have 13-14 year old pitchers start to inject test or take Winstrol etc.
FrenchMovieTheme
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MLB should be ashamed. that is why i like the NFL better. all natural athletes!
except for cheatin' pete and his seachickens
except for cheatin' pete and his seachickens
Ninja Scooter
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Olympic testing is supposed to be the most stringent yet Marion Jones was juicing her balls off (or on?) and never failed a single test. I believe she was tested something like 200+ times over her career and never failed a single time. Same with Lance Armstrong. It's not a coincidence that almost all of the high profile PED are exposed by some other paper trail and almost never from a failed test. The science will always be ahead of the curve.
And what exactly is the point of catching a guy 10 years after the fact? What will Michael Phelps or Usiain Bolt really lose if they are busted in their 40s? After all of the fame and accolades and money? Hell if anything it'll just mean more money in the inevitable book deal and talk show circuit.
Haha I lolled t all natural athletes. I know you were being sarcastic but it still made me crack up.
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Wow, just looked Biogenesis up and I actually drove right past it today. I should've picked up some.
Seriously?
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I am shocked by this.
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entremet
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PED use has decades of trial and error. You can use some steroids for life safely into your 80s if you do your homework.
Actually making them illegal has created a black market of labs that produce stuff that much lower in quality than in the 60/70s when pharmaceutical copies produced them at much better standards.
startyourengine
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finally the rangers can get rid of nelson cruz!
Yep. He had a long, long streak of never getting caught stealing bases too. He never won an MVP though. If you just look at the five years of his prime, he had historic value to the Phillies. Injuries and age caught up to him and he still is second in WAR by a pretty large margin.
How about, no.
His non-denial denial a few years back seemed pretty incriminating.
Mr. Enigma
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2003 anonymous testing, bro.
Little Green Yoda
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I wonder if the MVP discussion ever comes up between Utley, Rollins, and Howard.
Can you tell me the exact substance he used? Go on. I'll wait.
Either way, my stance on them have been pretty clear. Don't care.
Mr. Enigma
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I do believe it was steroids. Washed down with ranch dressing.
You sound really defensive for not caring.
I don't care if the players have. I dislike the fans who are pretending to give a shit, or just talking out of their ass.
HarryDemeanor
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Not anymore. Give it to MVPuig.
DeaconKnowledge
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MLB wants to make money. The only reason they even give a shit about busting these guys is because they know if they don't and it gets out the government will be all over them.
That's how this steroid system works, in all sports. Sacrifice a few guys here and there, keep printing money.
:jnc at the idea that Ortiz isn't juicing. Boston fans love them some high horse.
evil solrac v3.0
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no worse than the NFL. buncha hulks you have there.
how did they cheat? they used regulations balls, gloves, cleats and bats. they played by the rules of Baseball.
I think they do.
I thought you couldn't shit talk about Baseball? :jnc
Future PhaZe
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Fuck you Braun
and wasn't LeBron linked to this place?!?!
and wasn't LeBron linked to this place?!?!
shira
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I heard biogenesis cured baldness. That will be the excuse
StanTowers
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Pardon my ignorance, but what benefits do the players get for taking PEDs? I mean in which aspect of Baseball will they gain an advantage? It's not like they ride the Tour de France or lift weights at the Olympics. I am clueless.
how much faith do you put in this?
either way, there aint a doubt in my mind that Bron is on some stuff.
If your suspend for roid use, you don't get paid. It's in pretty much all contracts.
They can hit the ball further basically. Long flies turn into HR's etc.
Not really much point using endurance stuff for Baseball obviously.
BertramCooper
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:lol Peralta
MickeyPhree
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Yeah and his career ops of .666 proves that.
MickeyPhree
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While not the most physical of sports, you play 150+ games over a five to six month period. Steroids can help recover from injury faster in addition to being able to knock the shit out of the ball.
shira
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It won't make your skill better. Higher than 20/20 vision, hand eye co-ordination and hitting skill are usually unaffected.
Barry Bonds was a very good hitter. After PED's he turned into the homerun champion. So you have to have a very good skill set to begin with.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
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I am a huge baseball fan. I love the game. I love playing it. But watching it outside of the playoffs is ungodly boring now.
But it was so much more exciting when steroids were prevalent. Steroids showed who the real talent was. Let them juice up, I don't give a fuck. Or at least half the length of the season and give the players more breaks in between games. Do something to make the regular season not so shitty.
But it was so much more exciting when steroids were prevalent. Steroids showed who the real talent was. Let them juice up, I don't give a fuck. Or at least half the length of the season and give the players more breaks in between games. Do something to make the regular season not so shitty.
Uh, I think you misread what I wrote. I'm not against steroid use for personal gain. What difference does it make to you, me, the government if little timmy wants to do a 12 week cycle of test while going to the gym.
My point is, steroid use for competitive sports will devastate the game. No matter how safe you are, people will abuse them.
You create two tiers of players. Those who juice and those who don't. The ones who don't want have a chance and so even if they don't want to use steroids, they HAVE to, to even be given a chance. Some people might have access to better/safer steroids.
The next problem is the fact that up and coming players will take them earlier and earlier. If they are allowed in MLB, NFL, why won't the little kid in junior high who just made the freshman team want to experiment? The earlier he starts, the quicker he will excel and get noticed.
You'd have teens risk their heart and health for short term gain. I know how effective steroids are, and also how destructive they can be. What if some all-american slugger who needs to keep juicing to put up those stats, has a heart attack due to high blood pressure or enlarged heart?
But hey, what do I know. If it was me, I'd have started testing in the 90's, blood and urine samples before games, random etc. Sure you might have people go under the radar like Lance Armstrong did, but you can't just sit back and do nothing.
StanTowers
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Slapping baseballs like a bomb and recovery in a long season. I get the appeal of that. Thanks for enlightening me. I don't play the game, but I love playing catch.
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