Rafa=FedKilla
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Marlins made a 6 year off to Wilson. Crazy Crazy brahs.
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MLB Off-Season 2011: Only a few more weeks until the radio talks about baseball again
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BFIB
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Not me. I want to see the Cardinals continue winning World Series. We have a decent window over the next few years, but I hate paying Pujols for what he's apparently done, instead of what he's going to do. Nothing about this contract helps the team in the long run.
All offers being equal, Pujols will be losing 1.4 million a year (based on state and city taxes) by staying in St. Louis.
That's alot of money over a ten year contract.
http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/2011/12/pujols_like_lebron_would_save.html
That's alot of money over a ten year contract.
http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/2011/12/pujols_like_lebron_would_save.html
Mr. Enigma
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Tom Verducci is reporting the Marlins made a 6-year offer to C.J. Wilson.
Mr. Enigma
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Pirates, Erik Bedard agree on a 1-year, $4.5 million deal.
The more I hear of all these contracts, I'm pretty happy that I'm not hearing the Orioles linked to any of these "big time" free agents. Not like the Orioles would have anyways....but I digress....
Mr. Enigma
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David Ortiz is officially accepting arbitration from the Red Sox. He made $12.5 million in 2011. He could see a salary of $14 million in 2012.
Little Green Yoda
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Hypothetically speaking, who would you want the Cards to sign if Albert walks? Reyes is off the table, so it's basically Fielder or Rollins unless you want to sink even more money into the rotation (I seriously doubt we can move Lohse/Westbrook without eating lots of $$$).
I'm not saying we should say to hell with it and give him a $300 million deal. But I feel like overpaying Pujols by a bit is probably worth it more than overpaying for a guy like Rollins. I guess we could always go with a lower payroll this coming season and hope to make a splash next offseason but that feels like punting a season.
You also know that even if Pujols signs with the Cards at a reasonable contract, the odds of us repeating or even winning another WS in the next few years are not good, right?
The Elite
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Rumor is Kelly Johnson is staying.
Yeah?
Other then that, Jays have said they aren't breaking the bank open to pay for the big guys.
BFIB
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I think our chances improve actually. We should have stronger stability in the rotation with Wainwright returning. The bullpen needs a few patches filled, but with Lynn, Scrabble, Motte,McClellan and Boggs returning, our 'pen should be strong.
With Craig emerging and fighting for playing time (well, once he returns from surgery), and Holiday returning healthy, even minus Pujols, its a good lineup. Pujols does make it better, but its not like the Cardinals won't have another shot at the postseason if Pujols would walk.
Obviously we don't know the details of what is actually going on in these negotiations. I remember last year around this time, it was 10/300 being thrown around by reporters. Maybe Pujols is taking the offer from the Marlins to up his AAV, but is willing to defer some of the later contract out. Or take less years. Until I see the concrete proof and what the numbers are, its hard to speculate. I think there's enough proof though for a 10 year deal being in the works.
With Craig emerging and fighting for playing time (well, once he returns from surgery), and Holiday returning healthy, even minus Pujols, its a good lineup. Pujols does make it better, but its not like the Cardinals won't have another shot at the postseason if Pujols would walk.
Obviously we don't know the details of what is actually going on in these negotiations. I remember last year around this time, it was 10/300 being thrown around by reporters. Maybe Pujols is taking the offer from the Marlins to up his AAV, but is willing to defer some of the later contract out. Or take less years. Until I see the concrete proof and what the numbers are, its hard to speculate. I think there's enough proof though for a 10 year deal being in the works.
You could always trade him after he accepts arb!
Back to the NHL thread with you.
Little Green Yoda
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You almost never know what you're getting with a bullpen going into a season and you can't assume Wainwright/Carp are going to remain healthy without some sort of innings limit
I guess you could say that about any pitcher but a guy coming off surgery and a guy in his mid-30s who threw a ton of innings are probably at risk candidates
We most definitely have no idea what's going on at the negotiation tables. It's all a media ploy to throw as much shit on the wall, see what sticks, and hope to be the first one to break the story. FWIW:
http://mlb.mlblogs.com/2011/12/07/cards-may-have-clearer-line-on-pujols/
The Frankman
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Rafa=FedKilla
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Jose Reyes should move to third, I love all this bullshit drama about positions. Marlins should trade for Michael Young to take things to another level.
Mr. Enigma
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Buster Olney is reporting Hanley's agent called the Marlins and asked to restructure his contract if he's moving to third base. Marlins got pissed at this and are now trying to trade him.
This seems to be the sentiment of a lot of Jays fans. Make a trade or signing for the sake of it. :S
ITS ONLY MONEY THOSE GODDAMN CHEAPSKATES AT ROGERS!
Solidsnakejej
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They should have saw this coming, Hanley has a big ego and they thought it was a good idea to bring in a player who is not as good and want to pay him several million more and force Hanley to change positions.
Mr. Enigma
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Marlins have moved on from Pujols, although their offer is still on the table. But they believe he will re-sign with the Cardinals.
The Marlins have a six-year offer on the table for C.J. Wilson and a four-year offer on the table for Mark Buerhle. They will sign whoever says yes first.
If they can trade Hanley and get rid of the $48 million he's owed the next three seasons, they'll use that money to go after Prince Fielder.
Nolan Ryan told Jon Morosi that he does not expect Wilson to return to the Rangers and they are not in on Buerhle.
The Marlins have a six-year offer on the table for C.J. Wilson and a four-year offer on the table for Mark Buerhle. They will sign whoever says yes first.
If they can trade Hanley and get rid of the $48 million he's owed the next three seasons, they'll use that money to go after Prince Fielder.
Nolan Ryan told Jon Morosi that he does not expect Wilson to return to the Rangers and they are not in on Buerhle.
Hahahaha. Oh man.
Mr. Enigma
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Olney:
BFIB
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Can we just put a huge circus tent over that new awesome Marlins ballpark already!?
The Marlins are stating they are wanting to move Ramirez because they are hoping to get more money to afford Fielder.
So.....they offered Pujols 200 plus million, but need to move Ramirez to afford Fielder?
The Marlins are stating they are wanting to move Ramirez because they are hoping to get more money to afford Fielder.
So.....they offered Pujols 200 plus million, but need to move Ramirez to afford Fielder?
talisayNon
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6 million for cj wilson souns like a #6org move
$300 million contract
The Frankman
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Marlins already won.
If they don't get Pujols, I assume they want to get all 3 of Wilson, Buerhle, and Fielder
darkside31337
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Yep. He will be getting MVP votes too for being a team player.
Hold on a moment, Rollins.
You're the kind of Jays fan that DJF hates.
sf2fanatic
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Fixed....I wish
Hanley back to his home team?
Uncapitalised drunk jays fans, too.
Mr. Enigma
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Marlins President David Samson said Buster Olney was full of shit. He said Hanley nor his agent have not mentioned wanting any more money at all. They are not trading Hanley and he is a critical part of 2012.
Fuckin love winter meetings. :jnc
Dmncnby2k9
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Its been interesting to say the least.
Mr. Enigma
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That report never made any sense anyways. They clearly have enough money to get Fielder without having to trade Hanley. Fielder will probably come a little bit cheaper than Pujols. He'll get Adrian/Teixeira money.
Mr. Enigma
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Fredi Gonzalez and Ozzie Guillen are doing their media meetings right now. I think there's a slight disparity in interest...
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