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MLB - Official 2012 Season Thread: Bringing in Bobby V to Change Our Culture |OT2|
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That works too.
Wasn't Cox their first round selection from a couple of years ago? He must not have been doing too good to be traded for a reliever.I don't know either of those players
I don't watch to much NL ball in general, when I do it's usually only for the first few innings or the last inning of a game, so it would make sense why I don't recognize Mujica
looking up him he was still rated the #88 top prospect in all of baseball at the start of this season, but his numbers are not as good as last year.
what positions could the pirates actually go after for an upgrade anyways? (I mean realistically obviously there are upgrades for most positions out there for most teams
)Good deal for the Marlins then.
I actually think Nate Schierholtz might surprise some people hitting in CBP half the time. He has got some pop, but he is just so fucking streaky that he was never going to start for the Giants regularly in their cavernous park. I can see him hitting 20+ jacks for the Phillies in that park no problem. He's a great fielder and needed a change of scenery. He is not a whiner as some people seem to be portraying him as. He was a good Giant who just wanted a shot to start somewhere else.
The Frankman
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Mr. Enigma
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Red Sox have acquired LHP Craig Breslow from the Diamondbacks in exchange for RHP Matt Albers and OF Scott Podsednik.
matthewwhatever
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While I'm not crazy about the return the Jays got for Snider, I do think that fan reaction to him leaving is a little overblown. He's never shown that he can stick with changes to his swing, he strikes out way too much/walks way too little, and they were out of options on him after this season, so his trade value only goes down from here (unless, of course, he puts it all together and lives up to the hype).
Also, for the last few years, every time Snider failed in the MLB you had a huge chorus of Jays fans saying that he was AAAA, that he'd never make it, etc. I have a feeling there's a huge overlap between the people who wanted him to fail last year and the year before, and those who are furious he's gone now...
yankeehater
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Span declines trade to Reds. I guess he enjoys having the playoffs off.
Mr. Enigma
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Pirates are close to acquiring 1B Gaby Sanchez from the Marlins in exchange for OF Gorkys Hernandez and a competitive-balance draft pick.
The Frankman
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I still don't know what happened to make Gaby completely fall off the table like he did. Dude looked like he'd be a decent hitter.
Dmncnby2k9
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Yea true. Maybe a change of scenery helps. I like the deal for Pirates.
DUFFMCWALIN
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Wat. Well I guess something had to happen after losing at least 4 fucking games in a row. At least I was camping.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
He's 21 years old. For the love of god statistics in the minor leagues do not translate to the majors directly. Guys can rake in the low minors and not even be AAAA guys. And guys can struggle and get better as they mature both mentally and physically. And again he turned 21 LAST WEEK. So a guy who's young for his league and is his holding his own at the plate (also lol batting average). Right and he's an "average catching prospect".
Yes the Giants are loaded at catcher. It doesn't mean you trade away assets for marginal upgrades.
Again the difference between Hunter Pence and Nate over the last 2 years has not been that great.
Perennial all-star? Only because he was on the god damn Houston Astros. Pence isn't a bad player by any means, but when you say "perennial all-star" you are implying he is much better than Hunter Pence.
OPS+
Hunter Pence: 109
Angel Pagan: 103
Gregor Blanco: 101
Nate Schierholz: 115
The Frankman
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Nah it's cool, there are alot of guys who only watch one league. I'm just ribbing ya.I have been decently vocal that I am a White Sox fan
I haven't had any friends that have followed any NL teams since 2006 or so... and they liked the Cubs lol. But there really hasn't been to much of a reason for me to pay attention to the NL I mean I know some things about the NL, but I can't name any farm system players or middle relievers/ bench players from the NL lol
I've never really cared about following the farm system as I hadn't had the chance to talk to anyone about the farm system before joining this thread (and since I joined I have been reading up on farm systems a bit more)
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and its done
The Frankman
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Does this count as another Marlins firesale? I mean they still have alot of good talent left, doesn't feel like it.
I mean if the Phillies didn't have a firesale, the Marlins didn't.
I mean if the Phillies didn't have a firesale, the Marlins didn't.
I didn't say Perennial all-star, I said potential all star. Pretty big difference. Also pence has hit around .290 with 37 jacks in the last year and a half. Schierholtz has hit around .260 with 13. That is a pretty big difference for a team as power starved as the Giants are.
what positions could the pirates actually go after for an upgrade anyways? (I mean realistically obviously there are upgrades for most positions out there for most teams
Bullpen wasn't an issue beforehand, but without Lincoln we need to add someone. Shortstop is a pretty big need considering Barmes, while solid defensively, is an absolute hole offensively. Maybe a 1b, or a decent hitting OF so Jones can stick to playing 1b regularly..?
We need someone who can hit behind McCutchen mostly, because teams have been pitching around him lately and Walker is much better in the 2 spot.
The Frankman
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Pence is going from 2 huge HR parks in Minute Maid/Citizens Bank to AT&T Park.
... yeah.
im really not sure if I want to see this go through or not.
the tigers don't have a DH spot open so he would likely end up in the outfield... where he can continue to be a black hole of suckage out there... but he does have decent life on his bat this year.....
I do wonder though if they are actually actively after him if this means they feel like Vmart won't be back this year after all.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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It's beautiful seeing Philly blow up their team.
Our competitive-balance pick has to carry more weight than that... especially in a package deal :|
DUFFMCWALIN
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Next year is going to be interesting from a payroll perspective.
The Frankman
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lulz Mets just trying to be dicks.
BFIB
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The Hamels deal just doesn't make any sense.
They have a lot of money devoted to a few guys. Just baffling.
He is almost a dead pull right handed hitter. Nearly all of his home runs go to left field. It is way easier to hit it out to left field in AT&T than it is to hit it out to right field. Just the fact that he is a right hander vs Schierholtz who is a left hander should be a huge improvement. Pence numbers at AT&T-.325, 5 Hrs, 10 RBI, .560 slugging in 75 at bats. That's pretty damn good, and a massive upgrade over what we have had.
turnbuckle
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Read earlier today that it's looking more unlikely that VMart can return at all this season. If they do a deal for Soriano he'd be replacing either Delmon or Boesch. Soriano can play the outfield much better than either. It's hard to state just how bad both Delmon and Brennan have been this season. No speed, very sporadic power, no plate discipline, and abysmal in the outfield. Me and my bum shoulder would be an upgrade defensively.
Dmncnby2k9
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Zack Wheeler 2.0 lol
Mr. Enigma
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Cubs have pulled Alfonso Soriano off the block. Won't be traded now.
That trade was goddamn hilarious.
yankeehater
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How does it not make sense. They are clearing space to have a bunch of money free to go out and sign some big FAs. Dave Montgomery said the other day that he has spoken to the owners are they are willing to go over the luxury tax threshold next year. The Phils are still going to have the 3 pitchers plus Worley, Howard will be ready at the start of the season, and Utleys been saying how good his knee feels now. They are not blowing up their team at all.
Losing the competitive pick kind of sucks, not necessarily because we lose a pick considering we already have 2 in front of it, but the fact that we're losing $1.5 million of pool money. We can't really take a risk in the first two rounds of next years draft now...
Hopefully Sanchez is a change of scenery guy :/
I really hope the Pirates aren't done yet, because as it stands now, we're pretty much even or worst off than we started unless Snider and Sanchez turn things around. We've pretty much made trades for 2013 and beyond, which I'm perfectly cool with, but it'd be nice to sure up this season's team considering we're 14 games over .500, in control of the wild card spot, and within striking distance of the top of the NL Central...
We really need a bat.
Hopefully Sanchez is a change of scenery guy :/
I really hope the Pirates aren't done yet, because as it stands now, we're pretty much even or worst off than we started unless Snider and Sanchez turn things around. We've pretty much made trades for 2013 and beyond, which I'm perfectly cool with, but it'd be nice to sure up this season's team considering we're 14 games over .500, in control of the wild card spot, and within striking distance of the top of the NL Central...
We really need a bat.
BFIB
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That could be, I did not hear that they are willing to go above the luxury tax. So that does make more sense at least.
so basically the phils are finishing off the process they started in 2009 of becoming the NL's yankees... just buying up players to try to win regardless of how big the payroll gets
I think the white sox still have a number of games left against KC, so I don't mind that trade one bit.
edit: yeah the white sox have 12 games with KC left this year lol
DUFFMCWALIN
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That trade was a farce and lacked any common sense.
Mr. Enigma
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Pirates are also getting RHP Kyle Kaminska from the Marlins in the Sanchez trade.
Reds acquire Jonathan Broxton. No word yet on who's going to the Royals.
Reds acquire Jonathan Broxton. No word yet on who's going to the Royals.
Mr. Enigma
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Pretty good.
BigJonsson
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In 1993 it felt awesome when the Jays traded for Ricky Henderson.........even though they could have traded for Randy Jonhson
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