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[yankeehater]

Schill should have gotten in. Hopefully he wont have to wait to long.

 

[Enron]

i was waiting for that god awful picture. you didn't disappoint.

What a terrible photoshop

 

[Malvingt2]

To be honest, I was expecting 5 players to get in. I know sounds crazy lol.

 

[Sanjuro]

What are you talking about dude? I don't know what you want me to say.

I think the best player at his position during his era should get into the Hall of Fame. I think Edgar Martinez should get into the HOF because hes the greatest DH of all time. I think Biggio should have already got into the HOF because he was the best 2B during his prime.

I think Bagwell should be in the HOF too. I would vote for all the roid users who deserve it, I think Bonds not being in yet is a joke. And theres literally no proof that Bagwell ever juiced either.

There are two parts to that.

1. Being the best second basemen isn't a huge accomplishment. Cano and Pedroia are already playing at a superior level. The position was a wasteland. Beyond that, at no point in his career was Biggio one of the absolute top players in the league or even on his team for the large portion. He was however a consistent good player.

2. I agree with you on the other players getting in, but here it gets tricky. I can't understand people crying for Biggio not getting in, when you have Bagwell who has steroid implications equal or lesser than Biggio himself.

It's a huge mess. I rather nobody get in for the next several years than have to read terrible articles from sports writers who are trolling.

 

[jello44]

What are you talking about dude? I don't know what you want me to say.

I think the best player at his position during his era should get into the Hall of Fame. I think Edgar Martinez should get into the HOF because hes the greatest DH of all time. I think Biggio should have already got into the HOF because he was the best 2B during his prime.

I think Bagwell should be in the HOF too. I would vote for all the roid users who deserve it, I think Bonds not being in yet is a joke. And theres literally no proof that Bagwell ever juiced either.

 

[darkside31337]

There are two parts to that.

1. Being the best second basemen isn't a huge accomplishment. Cano and Pedroia are already playing at a superior level. The position was a wasteland. Beyond that, at no point in his career was Biggio one of the absolute top players in the league or even on his team for the large portion. He was however a consistent good player.

2. I agree with you on the other players getting in, but here it gets tricky. I can't understand people crying for Biggio not getting in, when you have Bagwell who has steroid implications equal or lesser than Biggio himself.

It's a huge mess. I rather nobody get in for the next several years than have to read terrible articles from sports writers who are trolling.

I agree that there are other guys who aren't in yet who are more deserving than Biggio.

I think the reason people are really upset with Biggio not getting in has to do with how close hes been the past few years. Him not getting in this year by 2 votes and there being as many questionable near blank ballots being turned is what really has people in arms.

It's hard to get outraged about Piazza or whoever else because they weren't that close.

 

[Sanjuro]

I think you can be. Personally can't wait to see the Craig Biggio statue in Cooperstown.

 

[dionysus]

What mental hoops do these writers have to jump through to conclude that the steroid era of baseball was somehow more corrupt than any other era? We already know previous eras used other illegal performance enhancing drugs, and the current era currently still uses illegal performance enhancing drugs.

The only difference seems to be that steroids were a really really effective enhancer.

 

[jello44]

Next year, for sure Biggio gets in.

But yeah, the reason I'm more upset than anything is that he was literally 1 or 2 votes away from being inducted this year and there are people not voting for him based on unfounded implications just because he played in the "PED Era".

What mental hoops do these writers have to jump through to conclude that the steroid era of baseball was somehow more corrupt than any other era? We already know previous eras used other illegal performance enhancing drugs, and the current era currently still uses illegal performance enhancing drugs.

The only difference seems to be that steroids were a really really effective enhancer.

Because people were getting caught far more often. Were there stores if any player in previous eras being caught of using illegal substances?

 

[Sanjuro]

If Dan Le Batard didn't receive any money, he should be heralded as the greatest HoF Voter of all time.

Deadspin says no.

 

[Malvingt2]

Bill Shaikin ‏@BillShaikin
This year, 50% of BBWAA voters used all 10 ballot spots, up from 22% last year. Look for BBWAA to recommend larger ballot.

man only 50%?

 

[eznark]

I don't get the "best of the era" argument. This isn't the Hall of the 90's. You aren't comparing Craig Biggio to Jody Reed, you're comparing him to Rogers Hornsby and Jackie Robinson.

And if you are more upset about Craig Biggio than Barry Bonds you're an asshole.

 

[Windu]

If Dan Le Batard didn't receive any money, he should be heralded as the greatest HoF Voter of all time.

the article says he insisted on not getting anything for his vote. not sure if that means he got nothing though.

Thanks to Dan for this perfect explanation of the problems with the Hall of Fame, and for turning his vote over to Deadspin readers. [Update: Dan wants to make clear that he insisted on not getting anything for his vote.]

http://deadspin.com/revealed-the-hall-of-fame-voter-who-turned-his-ballot-1496558341

 

[darkside31337]

I will say this though, Biggio was left off some ballots because of the 10 slot rule. If you have no problem voting for guys who were caught using PEDs then leaving Biggio off the ballot completely is somewhat justifiable although I don't personally agree with that.

I don't get the "best of the era" argument. This isn't the Hall of the 90's. You aren't comparing Craig Biggio to Jody Reed, you're comparing him to Rogers Hornsby and Jackie Robinson.

And if you are more upset about Craig Biggio than Barry Bonds you're an asshole.

I think Bonds not being in the Hall is a joke but I've already come to terms with the fact he's never getting in, at least not through this process, because he got caught doing PEDs.

I don't agree with that rationale but at least I understand it. I don't understand how people are not voting for guys because MAYBE they could have done steroids and they played in the "steroid era" so they aren't voting for any of those guys.

 

[Malvingt2]

I think, it should be mandatory that they cast the 10 votes.

 

[yankeehater]

The Phillies got rid of their TV broadcast color guys.

Thank god.

I wont miss Wheels but Sarge was good to listen to. Strange to see them go.

 

[eznark]

I think you should only get one vote every 5 years.

 

[Zep]

I wont miss Wheels but Sarge was good to listen to. Strange to see them go.

Ben Davis/Ricky Bo/Mitch Williams fight to the death..

 

[jakncoke]

I think, it should be mandatory that they cast the 10 votes.

Forced to vote for people not worthy? Thats a terrible idea and will just make the hall of fame more bloated. Better idea is not having a limit, why is there even a limit?

 

[darkside31337]

Forced to vote for people not worthy? Thats a terrible idea and will just make the hall of fame more bloated. Better idea is not having a limit, why is there even a limit?

Yeah there is no reason for a limit. The notion that everybody will get into the HOF without a limit makes no sense when you still have the 75% threshold anyway.

 

[3N16MA]

Bagwell, Mussina, Schilling, Piazza should be in. Glavine gets 90% while Mussina and Schilling get snubbed. Glavine deserves it but he is also boosted in comparison to his competition because of the teams he played for and the rotation he was in.

 

[yankeehater]

Ben Davis/Ricky Bo/Mitch Williams fight to the death..

I would take Mitch in a second. That guy has tons of stories to tell about Dutch and Nails. He could easily fill a season with stories about 93.

 

[darkside31337]

Bagwell, Mussina, Schilling, Piazza should be in. Glavine gets 90% while Mussina and Schilling get snubbed. Glavine deserves it but he is also boosted in comparison to his competition because of the teams he played for and the rotation he was in.

And also because he had a strike zone 8 inches wider than the rest of his peers.

If somebody refused to vote for Maddux and Glavine because they were cheaters they would have my respect.

 

[Malvingt2]

Forced to vote for people not worthy? Thats a terrible idea and will just make the hall of fame more bloated. Better idea is not having a limit, why is there even a limit?

Yeah I second guess it after posting my comment lol

 

[Zep]

I would take Mitch in a second. That guy has tons of stories to tell about Dutch and Nails. He could easily fill a season with stories about 93.

Comcast will probably play it safe and go with Davis or Ricky. Either one combined with tmac will force me to sync the radio with my TV.

 

[Malvingt2]

Bagwell, Mussina, Schilling, Piazza should be in. Glavine gets 90% while Mussina and Schilling get snubbed. Glavine deserves it but he is also boosted in comparison to his competition because of the teams he played for and the rotation he was in.

300 wins is a huge number tho. I know a lot of people do not agree with that in here but it is.

And also because he had a strike zone 8 inches wider than the rest of his peers.

If somebody refused to vote for Maddux and Glavine because they were cheaters they would have my respect.

wut?

 

[darkside31337]

wut?

The Braves starters had a notoriously wide strike zone back in the 90s. They also got caught cheating making the catches box wider (which would help with framing) in one specific game.

I'm joking but they should probably make Glavine's plaque a couple inches wider than everybody elses.

 

[Enron]

wut?

Mets fan. He mad.

 

[darkside31337]

Mets fan. He mad.

Everybody knows its the truth!

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

I wont miss Wheels but Sarge was good to listen to. Strange to see them go.

The only thing I will miss about Sarge are his terrible puns. He was better than Wheels though as he had insights as a retired player.

 

[cashman]

 

[Talon]

Jon Heyman is consistently terrible.

 

[cashman]

Bonds only got 34 percent of the Hall of Fame vote. What a disgrace.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

This just in: Mike Francesca doesn't understand on base percentage.

Oh, that isn't really "just in".

 

[eznark]

I thought he got fired?

 

[Dominican Power]

SMh @ these clowns hating on LeBatard for treating his vote like the sham that is. You might as well have websites/blogs vote for HOFers.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

I thought he got fired?

No, his TV contract was up with YES and they're not renewing it, but he's just moving to MSG.

Anyway, I think he was arguing that Biggio's lifetime OBP is only a result of him having so many at-bats. Which is so dumb that I'm not sure if I correctly understood his misunderstanding.

 

[vas_a_morir]

This just in: Mike Francesca doesn't understand on base percentage.

Oh, that isn't really "just in".

I don't get it. If everybody in NY hates Fatcesca, how does he stay on the air making millions a year?

 

[Talon]

I don't get it. If everybody in NY hates Fatcesca, how does he stay on the air making millions a year?

.

 

[Syrinx]

Good for Maddux, Glavine, and Thomas. They deserve it.

Biggio, Piazza, and Bagwell should have gotten in. As should Bonds and Clemens.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

I never said he did but don't use wins a reason why someone should be a HOF.

stop embarrasing Dominican GAF

People are crying for Craig Biggio missing the HoF? What planet is this?

go back to what you do best, ruining hot dogs with mustard.

I don't get it. If everybody in NY hates Fatcesca, how does he stay on the air making millions a year?

NY is a really big state. unfortunately there are a lot of mouth breathers who consider themselves "knowledgeable" about sports. and drink coke in copious amounts like Fatcesa. and are old and angry like him.

 

[Zep]

Le Batard would rip Heyman a new asshole if they were to get on the air together.

Someone needs to make that happen.

 

[Dominican Power]

stop embarrasing Dominican GAF




go back to what you do best, ruining hot dogs with mustard.



NY is a really big state. unfortunately there are a lot of mouth breathers who consider themselves "knowledgeable" about sports. and drink coke in copious amounts like Fatcesa. and are old and angry like him.

man, stfu.

 

[peteykirch]

This just in: Mike Francesca doesn't understand on base percentage.

Oh, that isn't really "just in".

 

[matthewwhatever]

Because people were getting caught far more often. Were there stores if any player in previous eras being caught of using illegal substances?

What are you talking about? Players going back to at least the '50s used amphetamines. There were literally bowls of them in every clubhouse. Just look up "greenies". If that doesn't do it for you, try looking up the cocaine scandals of the '70s and '80s. Plenty of players were caught up in that, and off the top of my head, at least one guy (Paul Molitor) had no trouble getting into the HoF.

It was only when a guy sportswriters didn't like because he treated them like the jokes they are went and broke the home run record that people started getting all strict about what players were putting in their bodies.

 

[dionysus]

What are you talking about? Players going back to at least the '50s used amphetamines. There were literally bowls of them in every clubhouse. Just look up "greenies". If that doesn't do it for you, try looking up the cocaine scandals of the '70s and '80s. Plenty of players were caught up in that, and off the top of my head, at least one guy (Paul Molitor) had no trouble getting into the HoF.

It was only when a guy sportswriters didn't like because he treated them like the jokes they are went and broke the home run record that people started getting all strict about what players were putting in their bodies.

But the purity of the game man! Baseball has always been a gentleman trailblazing human rights sport that represents the best of humanity.

Now that I am done with sarcasm, if the greatest player of all time, Bonds, doesn't get in you might as well burn the HoF down.

 

[jakncoke]

Why exactly does anyone think Biggio did PED?

But the purity of the game man! Baseball has always been a gentleman trailblazing human rights sport that represents the best of humanity.

Now that I am done with sarcasm, if the greatest player of all time, Bonds, doesn't get in you might as well burn the HoF down.

Barry Bonds is the new Pete Rose. Media will never let them in

 

[jello44]

What are you talking about? Players going back to at least the '50s used amphetamines. There were literally bowls of them in every clubhouse. Just look up "greenies". If that doesn't do it for you, try looking up the cocaine scandals of the '70s and '80s. Plenty of players were caught up in that, and off the top of my head, at least one guy (Paul Molitor) had no trouble getting into the HoF.

It was only when a guy sportswriters didn't like because he treated them like the jokes they are went and broke the home run record that people started getting all strict about what players were putting in their bodies.

Uh.. where did I ever say there weren't users back then?

I'm asking if they were caught/ostracized like they are today. Because all I've ever heard was about this particular era and how it tarnished the game.

Why exactly does anyone think Biggio did PED?

Because he played in that tainted era, so obviously he must have been using.

 

[dionysus]

Uh.. where did I ever say there weren't users back then?

I'm asking if they were caught/ostracized like they are today.

No, the managers and team bought the damn stuff for them back in the day and spiked their water as well.

 

[Malvingt2]

I don't believe that Biggio did PED but that is me.