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MLB Offseason '13-'14 |OT| Where the best fans live
- Thread starter Corran Horn
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Also could've gotten a ring in '09.
perfectchaos007
Member
I feel bad for Craig Biggio. How many more years does he have to get in?
This was only his second year on the ballot, so he still has 13 years.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Lets not forget 97 where the rest of the Orioles including Armando Benitez who was god awful.
Mussina had one of the greatest postseasons ever and the rest of his teammates shit the bed that year.
evil solrac v3.0
Member
mira pana no comiense....
WOWOWOOWOWOW
yankeehater
Member
It is going to be weird watching games this year. Wheels has doing Phillies games since I started watching them.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Then Bags is being completely fucked over.
They should have got rid of T-Mac and Wheels, and use Scott Graham as the play by play guy.
Dominican Power
Member
Don't shit on your peoples, cabron.
matthewwhatever
Member
Sorry if I misunderstood you -- I thought your question was rhetorical, when evidently it was actually a question. So to answer it less snippily: no, they weren't caught and ostracized before the beginning of the 2000s. The teams supplied the greenies, bowls were available in every clubhouse, and everyone's known about it since at least the early '70s, when Jim Bouton wrote Ball Four. Cocaine was dealt with a little more strictly (Fergie Jenkins had a minor suspension in 1980, and the Pirates had a major scandal involving a clubhouse attendant), but no one was ever blackballed for it -- see Steve Howe, who was constantly in and out of rehab for his drug and alcohol issues (he was also suspended seven times, but he was always allowed to come back, and no sportswriters ever wrote handwringing columns about how he was a stain on the game, as far as I know).
Everyone knew about the steroids too: Tom House (former Rangers pitching coach) has said players were using at least as far back as the '70s); people changed "Steroids" at Jose Canseco when he and Mark McGwire were the Bash Brothers in Oakland in the late '80s; Mark McGwire was caught with a bottle of some supplement the same year he was chasing Maris' record. So everyone in the media knew, and none of them cared. It was only when someone they didn't like so much (Bonds) started breaking records that it suddenly became a huge issue.
Reading this ESPN article on people losing votes. I dont understand how a voter can feel player is X is worthy 1 year then the next he isnt? How does that even make sense? Perhaps it has to do with the limit. Then again trying to make sense of voters is pointless because most dont make sense.
br got full votes up. surprised not a single vote for richie sexson
eric gagne with 2 votes as well
Rafael Palmeiro fell under the required 5%
I think Mark McGwire is at his low at 11%
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2014.shtml
br got full votes up. surprised not a single vote for richie sexson
eric gagne with 2 votes as well
Rafael Palmeiro fell under the required 5%
I think Mark McGwire is at his low at 11%
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2014.shtml
yankeehater
Member
Glad to see McGwire so low. I will be happy once he is off the ballot.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Maybe he should have
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
It's the limit. New guys are eligible this year. So guys who had certain players last year don't vote them in this year because somebody has to get bumped off the list for Maddux, Glavine, Thomas etc.
Next year is going to be really bad for guys who didn't get in this year besides Biggio who should get in and maybe Piazza.
First time eligible guys for 2015 include Randy Johnson, Pedro and Smoltz who you figure will all be locks.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Those 3 better be locks...
ConradCervantes
Banned
Big Unit only has a ring because he had Luis Gonzalez that year.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Gonzo only has a ring because he played with Unit and Curt
Dmncnby2k9
Banned
Diantre primo you brought out the Spanish?!?
slightconfuse
Banned
Don't even know lebatard has a vote. Loved what deadspin did by buying his.
That better not be an argument against RJ in the HoF, yo.
And a better description would be that Bob Brenly only has a ring because Gonzo, RJ, Curt bailed him out.
Tony Womack is cool, too.
ConradCervantes
Banned
I'm making fun of Dominican claiming that Glavine was propped up by the "powerhouse" Braves offenses of the 90s.
slightconfuse
Banned
#FREEBIGGIO
I think they will be
matthewwhatever
Member
I don't think Smoltz is a lock. He deserves to be in, but I doubt the BBWAA will see it that way.
He would be in if he did which is ridiculous. He was just as good if not better than Glavine and did not stick around to compile numbers like Glavine.
evil solrac v3.0
Member
then don't sya embarrasing things that set us back ten years!
why..? oh, it's you. never mind.....
tu sabe como se pone la vaina habeces tigeron...
Dominican Power
Member
Wins are not an indicator of individual skill.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Until bonds is in the HoF is a joke.
A JOKE!
A JOKE!
evil solrac v3.0
Member
I didn't say that they did.
Thinking I'll fly down for the TEX/WAS series at the end of August so I can watch some Baseball and some CFB as well (WSU has a game in Seattle)Yanks called Close the first day he was available. I'm sure they're doing what they need to do.
vas_a_morir
Banned
Nobody respects the Hall anymore. The whole first ballot/2nd ballot thing confuses me as well. The person either belongs in the hall or they don't. Ain't like they go play a few extra games between voting years. Don't get it.
Every team has a guy they think should be in but never will be. Bonds is never getting in. Clemens is never getting in. Rose probably is never getting in. I say let them in, because they were the best in their eras.
Every team has a guy they think should be in but never will be. Bonds is never getting in. Clemens is never getting in. Rose probably is never getting in. I say let them in, because they were the best in their eras.
mussina was better. its nothing short of a joke that glavine got in ahead of him. Its strictly wins that got glavine into the hall.
They both deserve to be in even if Glavine did not get 300 wins in my opinion. Glavine is not a flashy choice without those wins but he complied enough over a very long career as a good pitcher. Mussina was just better.
not saying glavine shouldnt have gotten in. but the % difference between him and moose is a joke, when mussina was just a better pitcher.
It is a joke and the same with Schilling.
Oh. I didn't read that anywhere lol
I see the Yankees, Dodgers, and Mariners as the favourites. Iwakuma was his teammate for 5 seasons in Japan which might help.
santeesioux
Member
Where are you seeing this? I saw the stuff last week that they were the favorites, but haven't seen anything since.