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MMA |OT3| When you lose you're a can, when you win you're unstoppable.
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TheKaeptain
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MMA-GAF favorite Mark Munoz is still next in line I believe.
TheNatural
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Weren't they talking about Lombard being in the #1 contender fight?
TheKaeptain
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Lol dude is getting destroyed.
Probably. You know how Dana likes promising title shots to 4 different people at the same time.
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I refuse to watch Anderson fight at MW after the Sonnen fight. Munoz? Bisping?....please. He needs to do a super fight after Sonnen. Munoz vs Silva screams boring and a waste of $$$
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This division is an absolute mess. Who will save us? Hunt, Browne, Miocic, Bones?
This division is an absolute mess. Who will save us? Hunt, Browne, Miocic, Bones?
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What an arrogant and cocky look Jones has for his mug shot.
TheNatural
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At least there's plenty of potential fights to be made. No one knows who the hell to push as #1 contender in most of the other divisions.
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Cain doesn't deserve a shot already. He needs a good 2 more wins IMO. I really hope they just let Overeem back in. I have no interest in seeing a 60 second KO that I have to pay $60 for.
I would like Cain to face another striker before he faces JDS again. Maybe Hunt or Carwin (wrestler with heavy hands).
I would like Cain to face another striker before he faces JDS again. Maybe Hunt or Carwin (wrestler with heavy hands).
It's just hard to stomach Frank Mir as a Top Fiver, Nog at 6 and Struve at 10.
JDS does have some decent match ups on the horizon though. Cain, Hunt, Reem, maybe Bones.
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Also I don't know why the HW division gets so much flack considering how deep it is in at least there's different tiers of fighters with something to offer.
You have the top tier of young guys like JDS, Cain, and Cormier up there going to battle each other. You have a couple vets that changed their game (or physique) to stay competitive and could create interesting matchups (Overeem and Werdum.) You have the basically washed up name vets who will be gatekeepers from now on (Mir, Big Foot, Barnett.) Then you have about a dozen one trick ponies who have like one attribute they do well (or horrible) to create interesting matchups (Big Foot, Carwin, Struve, Hunt, Russow, Browne, Nelson, others.)
The fact I can name about 15 guys in the division off the top of my head says something about it. The other divisions, its mostly trying to find someone who hasn't been killed by the champ yet. Then looking at the bottom half of the top 10 in the division finding guys you don't buy as being any better than top 30 on a given night. I'm supposed to buy guys like Boetsch, Okami, Stann, Shields, Kampmann, Miller, Guida, etc? Guys who have had chance after chance and don't ever break out of their own ceiling? And usually don't even do anything interesting or create a fun fight?
I rather watch a top 15 Huntu-Nelson punchfest or a Browne-Carwin gastank laugher than than seeing those guys quite frankly.
You have the top tier of young guys like JDS, Cain, and Cormier up there going to battle each other. You have a couple vets that changed their game (or physique) to stay competitive and could create interesting matchups (Overeem and Werdum.) You have the basically washed up name vets who will be gatekeepers from now on (Mir, Big Foot, Barnett.) Then you have about a dozen one trick ponies who have like one attribute they do well (or horrible) to create interesting matchups (Big Foot, Carwin, Struve, Hunt, Russow, Browne, Nelson, others.)
The fact I can name about 15 guys in the division off the top of my head says something about it. The other divisions, its mostly trying to find someone who hasn't been killed by the champ yet. Then looking at the bottom half of the top 10 in the division finding guys you don't buy as being any better than top 30 on a given night. I'm supposed to buy guys like Boetsch, Okami, Stann, Shields, Kampmann, Miller, Guida, etc? Guys who have had chance after chance and don't ever break out of their own ceiling? And usually don't even do anything interesting or create a fun fight?
I rather watch a top 15 Huntu-Nelson punchfest or a Browne-Carwin gastank laugher than than seeing those guys quite frankly.
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TheNatural
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I don't hate Fedor the fighter - I hate the myth of Fedor and the KGB he blindly obeys.
Do you hate Shane Carwin and his family?
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We have received word from a source that we will remain anonymous that Dana White will annnounce that Cain Velasquez will coach off against Junior Dos Santos next season on UFC Live 2.
It would make sense as Cain and Junior are coming off huge wins, Junior Dos Santos defending his title against Frank Mir, and Cain getting back on track by beating a motivated Antonio Silva.
Expect Season 2 of UFC Live to start filming LIVE in September, with the coaches facing off sometime in November, or late December.
FUCK. WHY?
It would make sense as Cain and Junior are coming off huge wins, Junior Dos Santos defending his title against Frank Mir, and Cain getting back on track by beating a motivated Antonio Silva.
Expect Season 2 of UFC Live to start filming LIVE in September, with the coaches facing off sometime in November, or late December.
FUCK. WHY?
DKehoe
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Where are you getting this from?
So, the standard amount of time between title defenses?
TheNatural
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Nothing like fighting 6 months between defenses when you don't have so much as a scratch on you. Hell, in the last Cain fight, he didn't even break a mild sweat.
BoboBrazil
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Big announcement from Dana at the weigh ins. Brock agreed to do a fight?
lol fucking Natch. That Goldie mouthpiece line will make me cringe until the end of time.
That's a bingo.
That sounds like something they'd have an actual press conference for. UFC 147 being free sounds about right.
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It's their funeral. They could have slapped it on UFC 150 and made Edgar-Benderson the co main event since no one pays to watch Edgar fight anyway, and maybe got a few more eyes on Benderson than it's inevitable 200-300K buyrate death.
But we're in the saturation age. Wouldn't be surprised if TUF becomes a weekly PPV show at this rate.
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So glad Dana half promised (AKA full promised) him the next fight in the presser. Not like JDS couldn't have fought a half a dozen other guys that were at least as good as Mir during that time.
Hell they could have saved the Brazil PPV if they could have somehow found a way to give JDS a quick turnaround and face Werdum. I mean, they could have kept Werdum vs. TBA as the matchup up until about 2 days beforehand since a black silhouette has as much drawing power as Mike Russow.
I think the UFC having to one day cut back on their roster size and have guys fight every 2-3 months would be an absolute blessing. A dark age would force them to have quality over quantity.
Strikeforce should be their farm league as originally rumored. Guys getting called up to the big leagues is captivating MMA. People are intersted to see how Lombard, Cormier, Gil, Alvarez etc. will fare in the Ultimate.
Strikeforce should be their farm league as originally rumored. Guys getting called up to the big leagues is captivating MMA. People are intersted to see how Lombard, Cormier, Gil, Alvarez etc. will fare in the Ultimate.
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It's not about roster size, it's about what has suddenly become an acceptable PPV main event for them. They could have guys fight more, but they think its more important to put lightweight and bantamweight title main events together to have some of the worst buyrates of the year.
This is Uncle Dana's world. We only live in it. Remember that, Natch.
Speak for yourself. We all know Gil is a can, brah.
But smaller roster + less events = stacked cards, no?
They have so many events because their roster is huge and they have to give these guys fights. There aren't enough main eventers to carry these bums.
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You're doing it backwards. Their roster expanded because of their guaranteed deals with FOX mang. They didn't just one day say "oh shit we have too many rasslers lets make Nitro 3 hours!"
Oops. Freudian slip.
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Maybe it will become FOX's world after another horribad outing. Stann will bomb so hard he'll be the catalyst to change everything.
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Cain should fight Overeem
The roster and number of events has been ballooning for years now. They've finally reached the point where the viewing public can no longer keep track of it all, and thus have begun to stop caring. They need to scale back, not introduce leagues in other countries and have two shows in one night like wildeyed Uncle Dana is envisioning.
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The roster and number of events has been ballooning for years now. They've finally reached the point where the viewing public can no longer keep track of it all, and thus have begun to stop caring. They need to scale back, not introduce leagues in other countries and have two shows in one night like wildeyed Uncle Dana is envisioning.
It's been ballooning but it doesn't change the fact that they replaced the quality of fighter on the prelims. They're hiring no name unheard of guys to fill Facebook and Fuel cards because they have so many spots to fill.
That's the point. No one is putting a gun to Zuffa's head saying "lightweight title? It MUST be a main event!" "Wanderlei Silva in Brazil? It MUST be a main event!"
The only thing that has changed is the attitude that once some guy, any guy, or some title is now on the line is must be planted in a main event. For such a "deep" big roster, it's weird that practically every card sucks after about two fights on each.
They refuse to let guys naturally drop down the card as their skills or draw diminish. The blood and brain capacity of Wanderlei Silva must be spilled in a main event. No matter how many guys are on the roster, Uncle Dana refuses to change that philosophy.
We are in agreement, friend.
They want to have more events, so they have more fighters, and thus have spread the known fighters and main eventers way too thin. That's why we have Wanderlei Silva carrying a card full of contracted bums in 2012. UFC has gotten too greedy for their own good and the product is watered down.
Cut the fat and stack the cards.
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It's not going to happen anytime soon, unless Stann saves us all by making the FOX card bomb so utterly bad that FOX doesn't want anything to do with MMA anymore.
Even then, FOX probably still likes the insular MMA fanbase buying Fuel TV subscriptions, and it probably still does well by FX standards, so chances are it would never be axed completely. Hopefully a 50% cutback of FOX/FX cards next year or something.
TheKaeptain
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Guys, tomorrow I might get to slaughter a pig. If it happens I might just recorded it and make a thread on gaf about the experience.
BigKaboom2
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That's not his nickname, and Cung won about 19 1/2 of the 20 minutes they've been in the cage together.
I think the line vs. Cote will be close.
TheNatural
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No hype for the ultra awesome Ellenberger vs. Kampmann card tomorrow? I mean, Charles Oliveira is on it. Big implications guys.
TheKaeptain
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WTF? There is a card tomorrow?
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I thought that was your analogy for slaughtering a pig. There's a card for like every week up until Silva-Sonnen.
Ugh, just looked at the card. I'm down for the Holloway fight and above, as the kid is quite the scrapper.
TheKaeptain
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Supersaturation.
TheNatural
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Eddie Wineland vs. Scott Jorgensen doesn't quench the palette next week? How dare you!
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