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Monitoring the situation in Iran

I'm no fan of Trump, but it sounds like he made the right call in this situation. I would prefer to give full credit to our military -- they are excellent, and they are the ones carrying out the operation. But Trump deserves credit for hardnose negotiation and pulling the trigger. I can't see Biden or Kamela doing that. Presumably, the world will be a safer place after all is said and done.

I'm a little concerned about the ambition for "regime change." I am no expert on history, but that doesn't seem to go well very often. It could just be that lower-level thugs in the same structure take over, rather than a true change of regimes. But at least the nuclear capability will be decisively set back.
 
Humdinger said:
I'm a little concerned about the ambition for "regime change."
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This is why you hear Trump telling the Iranian people to rise up. I believe the idea is that those in control are being eliminated/weakened and that it will be the people of Iran that will need to rise up and take control. No idea how it will work out and I am only basing this on the messaging.
 
Yeah the european leaders are being predictable with their weak statements, but I kinda get it; WW2 left a terrible, generational mark on europe, kids get the horrors of it drilled into them through most of school.
I remember around ~12 years old my history teacher making us watch WW2 videos with horrible injuries/body counts, which were definitely not suitable for that age lol, he didn't give a fuck.
They'll do everything to come across as wanting to avoid conflict and try to talk it out, problem is talking doesn't work with these regimes.
 
Interested to see how this develops because if I had to guess, the US and Israel probably want different things out of this operation. I think the US probably just wants Iran's nuclear program completely dead and buried. But I don't think Israel will be happy unless the regime is totally toppled and a western allied leadership replaces it, because Israel won't feel safe as long as Iran remains a terrorist proxy in the middle east. So what happens if Iran bends the knee and says ok we will end our nuclear program permanently, stop enrichment, stop everything, but Netanyahu tells Trump "That's not good enough for us, we need a regime change or the west, especially Israel will never be safe." Then what happens? Will they continue the attacks together? Will the US stop their end of it leave it up to Israel if they want to continue it on their own? Will Trump pressure Netanyahu to drop it since the US got what they want out of it?

Curious for those who know a lot about this stuff have any insight into this. This isn't my field.
 
I'm pretty much convinced CNN's Wolf Blitzer is a robot.
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He doesn't eat or sleep. When he's done they park him on a charging station like those automatrons in Fallout.

Maybe bender bender can confirm this 🤔
 
Getting a lot of notches in the war belt for the peace president. Now that shit has hit the fan we can only hope that this turns out well instead of an even bigger problems decades down the road.
 
Reizo Ryuu said:
Yeah the european leaders are being predictable with their weak statements, but I kinda get it; WW2 left a terrible, generational mark on europe, kids get the horrors of it drilled into them through most of school.
I remember around ~12 years old my history teacher making us watch WW2 videos with horrible injuries/body counts, which were definitely not suitable for that age lol, he didn't give a fuck.
They'll do everything to come across as wanting to avoid conflict and try to talk it out, problem is talking doesn't work with these regimes.
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Europe is also embroiled in the biggest war the continent has seen, since WW2.
The EU might not be directly involved, but still have a lot to worry about.
This is not like the Iraq war, when the EU was under the peace dividends after the end of the USSR.
 
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It's threads like this that remind me why the boss banned politics.

A lot of members here are incapable of having a rational and mature discussion about politics.
 
DeafTourette said:
I really don't know. I have an idea but it's just my conspiracy minded thinking
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My conspiracy mind is thinking that their central bank isn't controlled by Western interests(Rothschild's, Rockefeller's) but I have no idea on that really. It's quite possible it is controlled by those entities already.

I see a lot of fact checks online that say that theory is false but then falsely claim central banks are publicly owned when they are privately corporations.

That said it was a very oppressive regime. I hope the Iranians can govern themselves how they wish to be governed and not have to deal with oppression.
 
DragoonKain said:
Interested to see how this develops because if I had to guess, the US and Israel probably want different things out of this operation. I think the US probably just wants Iran's nuclear program completely dead and buried. But I don't think Israel will be happy unless the regime is totally toppled and a western allied leadership replaces it, because Israel won't feel safe as long as Iran remains a terrorist proxy in the middle east. So what happens if Iran bends the knee and says ok we will end our nuclear program permanently, stop enrichment, stop everything, but Netanyahu tells Trump "That's not good enough for us, we need a regime change or the west, especially Israel will never be safe." Then what happens? Will they continue the attacks together? Will the US stop their end of it leave it up to Israel if they want to continue it on their own? Will Trump pressure Netanyahu to drop it since the US got what they want out of it?

Curious for those who know a lot about this stuff have any insight into this. This isn't my field.
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I am not an expert at all, but the messaging has been we (the US) are not there for the long-term and will not be the ones to replace the regime. We are there to remove the existing threat and help those that can bring stability to the region do so. Ultimately, it will be up on them.
 
Insane Metal said:
Damn man. I've always been anti-war and anti-violence but some evil shitheads like Maduro and Khameini deserve what they got. The US military is fucking nuts.
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Anti-war and anti-violence position remind me of gun free zone signs. Wars and violence will always exist. If you don't use violence - somebody else will use it on you. And wars sometimes become a necessity.
 
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nypost.com

Exclusive | Austin bar mass shooter possibly motivated by Iran attacks, Quran found in car as FBI eyes terrorism after 2 killed, 14 injured

The FBI is investigating the shooting as a possible ideologically motivated act of terrorism, the sources said.
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The killer, who is a US citizen from Senegal, had a Quran in his car and clothing described as Islamic garb when he opened fire on Buford's Backyard Beer Garden near the University of Texas-Austin campus, according to sources familiar with the investigation.
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The gunman has a history of arrests in Texas, and is believed to have lived in New York City from 2000 to 2008, the sources said.
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U.S. President Donald Trump: "I have just been informed that we have destroyed and sunk 9 Iranian Naval Ships, some of them relatively large and important. We are going after the rest — They will soon be floating at the bottom of the sea, also! In a different attack, we largely destroyed their Naval Headquarters. Other than that, their Navy is doing very well!"

The last line 😂
 
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