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[Dr.D00p]

…Europe…is going to come to our rescue in the pacific theater?

Why would Allies you dont need, be asked for help?

I mean, its not like 12 Nuclear attack SSNs, 3 Aircraft Carriers with combined airwings of over 100 F35s, Rafales and 20 or so of some of the most advanced anti missile defence destroyers on the planet would be of any use anyway.

Besides, its a moot point. The US never dares to actually get into a fighting war with a peer, or near peer opponent.

The idea of the US risking a war with China over Taiwan is laughable. War is a purely transactional business for America, not a moral one. It's why the US would have been perfectly happy to see the Nazis take all of Europe in 1940-41 and make deals with them rather than do (unlike the UK) what is the morally correct thing to do even at the risk of losing everything.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

So is the US actively striking with missiles, fighter jets, stealth bombers etc?

Feels like we're completely in the dark on what they are doing right now vs Israel who are announcing attacks on specific locations.

 

[LordCBH]

Wow......interesting take.

Genuine question here: Is Cenk fucking retarded? We know his terrorist supporting nephew Hassan is. But is Cenk? I'm leaning towards yes.

 

[EviLore]

Why would Allies you dont need, be asked for help?

I mean, its not like 12 Nuclear attack SSNs, 3 Aircraft Carriers with combined airwings of over 100 F35s, Rafales and 20 or so of some of the most advanced anti missile defence destroyers on the planet would be of any use anyway.

Besides, its a moot point. The US never dares to actually get into a fighting war with a peer, or near peer opponent.

The idea of the US risking a war with China over Taiwan is laughable. War is a purely transactional business for America, not a moral one. It's why the US would have been perfectly happy to see the Nazis take all of Europe in 1940-41 and make deals with them rather than do (unlike the UK) what is the morally correct thing to do even at the risk of losing everything.

You're criticizing the US for not intervening in WW2? Fascinating.

 

[Dr.D00p]

You're criticizing the US for not intervening in WW2? Fascinating.

I'm saying, at heart, America is a nation of opportunistic, isolationist cowardice...as Taiwan will discover in time.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

So is the US actively striking with missiles, fighter jets, stealth bombers etc?

Feels like we're completely in the dark on what they are doing right now vs Israel who are announcing attacks on specific locations.

I read that the apparent division of labor is the US striking mostly military targets and Israel striking government buildings and locations of leaders

So the US doesn't have much to say compared to Israel in that regard since we're blowing up the war materiel

 

[Clear]

Careful, don't bring too much truth to the MAGAtards in this thread.

If you want to blame anyone for escalation, blame Hamas. The first domino was the October 7th massacre.

A strike with zero. ZERO. Military benefit, just an act of criminal terrorist aggression.

An action funded, and no doubt greenlit, in Tehran.

 

[EviLore]

 

[calico]

Genuine question here: Is Cenk fucking retarded? We know his terrorist supporting nephew Hassan is. But is Cenk? I'm leaning towards yes.

He is a horse terroriser

 

[Gabe ♥]

Ok.. this is not going to end well..

 

[Topher]

 

[DeafTourette]

Lucky chair.

This entire time I thought she was flat back there! But she's got a bubble?!?!?

 

[ContrarianAsshole]

They are just being hypocrites. Switching positions all the time. Grifters.

Usually, but in this case they have been fairly consistent ... until recently...

 

[DeafTourette]

nukes in terrorist hands is way worse.

Trump said he destroyed their nuclear capabilities last year. So.... He lied and they have nukes? I'm confused.

 

[clem84]

Wow......interesting take.

Criticizing Israel doesn't necessarily mean you're an anti-semite. I think any reasonable person will agree to that. However when you're criticism is disconnected from reality, to the extent of Cenk Uygur, then yeah you are. To me Cenk is probably the worst anti-semite out there. Maybe 'the worst' is a bold statement, but he's among the worst.

 

[Clear]

Trump said he destroyed their nuclear capabilities last year. So.... He lied and they have nukes? I'm confused.

Who knows. The state of a hostile foreign nation's nuclear capability is not something that's likely to be publicly disseminated.

Its puzzling to me that so many people expect complete transparency on military intelligence... It literally flies in the face of reason when the whole point is not to let hostile actors know how much we know about their planning and readyness to move against us.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Usually, but in this case they have been fairly consistent ... until recently...

I doubt they were really consistent. Some actors - maybe? But overall it was about pursuing the most vocal group or hedging the bets. The problem for most of the groups is that Trump is fairly consistent and transactional person that runs the country as a business. He is not ideological and thus it creates a problem for people who take sides as any side can lose any time. Or can win any time - long term or short term. One of the reasons why so many have TDS, IDS etc. Because Trump can deal with both Israel and Qatar. When you take one of the sides - it causes a short circuit.

Like with Mamdani for example. For huge chunks of followers the very idea working with new NYC mayor is bonkers, traitorous idea. For the opposite side it is also considered crazy, traitorous idea. For Trump? It is just business. The Congress is useless anyway and making deals with mayors or governors is easier. Give or take. Stuff like this.

People with TDS believe that just giving a fake newspaper with a headline allowed Mamdani to win over Trump or negotiate something. Or Tucker's visition to WH changes stuff and such. "How dare he!". In reality some deals were struck and if one of the conditions to get something was to release that illegal influencer from prison, it could be worth it. There is not point in pear clutching. Which is a problem for people taking sides.

Trump said he destroyed their nuclear capabilities last year. So.... He lied and they have nukes? I'm confused.

There are things you can and can't do with nuclear facilities. Iran can't rebuild the facilities - even minor damage basically makes them dysfunctional (it is quite sensetive equipment, you can't just "restore" it and use it later anymore). However the situation with nuclear material overall is different. Byproduct of all this crap can be used for dirty bombs. Which are kinda nukes but they are not explosive, just cause contamination of swath areas. The rumour is that IRGC decided to target them after the facility destruction.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Who knows if true or not

Iran's IRGC says it attacked USS Abraham Lincoln, state media reportspublished at 14:14
14:14Breaking

Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) says in a statement that they have attacked USS Abraham Lincoln with four ballistic missiles, according to Iranian state media.

USS Abraham Lincoln is the fifth Nimitz-class aircraft carrier in the United States Navy. Lincoln includes the latest F-35 stealth jets, capable of evading enemy radar.

The strike group also has three destroyers loaded with Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles, and is normally accompanied by a nuclear-powered submarine, which fires the same weapon.

According to satellite imagery verified by BBC Verify, it was spotted on 15 February off the coast of Oman.

 

[Gp1]

Why would Allies you dont need, be asked for help?

I mean, its not like 12 Nuclear attack SSNs, 3 Aircraft Carriers with combined airwings of over 100 F35s, Rafales and 20 or so of some of the most advanced anti missile defence destroyers on the planet would be of any use anyway.

Besides, its a moot point. The US never dares to actually get into a fighting war with a peer, or near peer opponent.

The idea of the US risking a war with China over Taiwan is laughable. War is a purely transactional business for America, not a moral one. It's why the US would have been perfectly happy to see the Nazis take all of Europe in 1940-41 and make deals with them rather than do (unlike the UK) what is the morally correct thing to do even at the risk of losing everything.

Curious... What exactly happened with "moral" when Czecholosvakia and Poland were invaded in 1939? Both countries with security guarantees from UK and France.

You definitely skipped Von Clausewitz classes in school.

Edit. Already banned

Ps. I've posted the division of targets some pages ago with sources.

US is going after the missile, nuclear, naval assets, air assets and infrastructure.
Israel is going after the leadership and command structure.

 

[Topher]

 

[Darius87]

Trump said he destroyed their nuclear capabilities last year. So.... He lied and they have nukes? I'm confused.

So why usa/israel attacking iran then?

 

[AJUMP23]

I'm saying, at heart, America is a nation of opportunistic, isolationist cowardice...as Taiwan will discover in time.

Isolationist- US had interfered in the world more than anyone since ww2. I wish we would pull back some.

Cowardice- US soldiers have given life after life to free Europe, Korea and provide a general safety to the world. Some of it has gone well some has not. But cowards the US is not.


I know you got banned but that is a bad take by you on what the US is.

Nations have interest not friends.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Strike earlier this morning killed many civilians

I had a conversation with a good friend of mine who is Iranian in my gym about this earlier today. His reaction was.... interesting. The Iranians really hate the regime.

I hope they finally get their country back.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

and he's being mercilessly slagged on our WhatsApp group

I hate this sentence

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

So why usa/israel attacking iran then?

To finish those clowns off? It is like asking "why we are deporting people if the borders are closed". You have a group supplying China with oil while still being an annoyance in the region. Now it is weak and falling apart. Time to wrap up their party.

 

[Ipsi]

 

[kpopSuperstar]

The UK Defence Secretary has said that Cyprus was not the target.

Guess which country lies on the flightpath to Cyprus...Israel.

How the hell do you miss a nation?

 

[DeafTourette]

So why usa/israel attacking iran then?

I really don't know. I have an idea but it's just my conspiracy minded thinking

 

[Ipsi]

 

[Topher]

So why usa/israel attacking iran then?

I'd say it is because the Iranian people have already shown that they are ready to take back control from a dictatorship that has been a plague in the world for decades. US and Israel see an opportunity and they are taking it. Fact of the matter is that any setback in Iran's nuclear aspirations is only a setback as long as the current regime is in charge and have close ties with Russia and China. These attacks have the potential to remove that alliance entirely which could not only reintroduce freedom to Iran that they enjoyed many years ago, but result in more stability in the region and globally.

All the contrived petty Trump "gotchas" in the world will not turn that outcome into a bad thing.

 

[kruis]

Isolationist- US had interfered in the world more than anyone since ww2. I wish we would pull back some.

Cowardice- US soldiers have given life after life to free Europe, Korea and provide a general safety to the world. Some of it has gone well some has not. But cowards the US is not.


I know you got banned but that is a bad take by you on what the US is.

Nations have interest not friends.

Dr.D00p had a point when he made that remark about Taiwan.

The US ultimately didn't care about the Kurds in Syria they had protected for ten years.

Syria's Kurds feel disappointed, abandoned by US after Damascus deal

Residents of the Kurdish Syrian city of Qamishli voiced disillusionment on Monday after a deal with Damascus struck a fatal blow to their long-held aspirations of autonomy, with some accusing the United…

www.france24.com

And the same thing happened with Ukraine where the US wasn't going to send them any more money.

US suspends all military aid to Ukraine in wake of Trump-Zelenskyy row

Decision affects ammunition, vehicles and other equipment including weapons in transit

www.theguardian.com

That could happen with Taiwan too. Is the US really going to war with China over Taiwan in a couple of years? Taiwan is of utmost importance because it's a production hub for hightech chips, but the US is very busy forcing Taiwanese companies to build production facilities in the US. The more chip production has been moved over to the US, the less likely it will be that the US will want to initiate WW3 over Taiwan.

The point isn't whether US soldiers are cowards, but whether they should die for a cause that is not worth fighting over.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

The US ultimately didn't care about the Kurds in Syria they had protected for ten years.

Because kurds failed to build a functioning organization without sectarianism. You can't prop up them forever without returns. Just their relationship with arabs was already an issue. And that's without their issues with various factions within. With Assad gone, what next? Propping up kurds to fight against Turkey and Syrian regime while there is discontent from arabs with kurdish territories? What's the point?

One a separate note

 

[xandaca]

Can you fly next to North Korea please.

Maybe I should? Kind of wild how I've had zero desire to go anywhere near the Middle East at any point in my life, and it's only now that I happen to be about to travel through there, with very few alternative routes I can find, that the US and Israel finally decide to turn the ayatollah into beard-flavoured jam.

 

[DeafTourette]

Because kurds failed to build a functioning organization without sectarianism. You can't prop up them forever without returns. Just their relationship with arabs was already an issue. And that's without their issues with various factions within. With Assad gone, what next? Propping up kurds to fight against Turkey and Syrian regime while there is discontent from arabs with kurdish territories? What's the point?

One a separate note

I know the WaPo is more Trump friendly now but didn't peg them to be dictator friendly

 

[Darius87]

To finish those clowns off? It is like asking "why we are deporting people if the borders are closed". You have a group supplying China with oil while still being an annoyance in the region. Now it is weak and falling apart. Time to wrap up their party.

and before attacking negotiating for Iran to stop it's nuke program, if Iran won't try aquire nukes no one would attack them.

 

[kruis]

I'd say it is because the Iranian people have already shown that they are ready to take back control from a dictatorship that has been a plague in the world for decades. US and Israel see an opportunity and they are taking it. Fact of the matter is that any setback in Iran's nuclear aspirations is only a setback as long as the current regime is in charge and have close ties with Russia and China. These attacks have the potential to remove that alliance entirely which could not only reintroduce freedom to Iran that they enjoyed many years ago, but result in more stability in the region and globally.

All the contrived petty Trump "gotchas" in the world will not turn that outcome into a bad thing.

The Iranian people aren't united enough to win a fight against the mullahs. They've got a common cause, but there are no opposition leaders inside the country to lead them.

What's going to happen is that the mullahs and military will opt for a truce with Israel and the US after a couple of weeks of bombing each other, just like what happened in June last year. Iran will then finally give up their nuclear capabilities but the regime will be allowed to remain in power. Just like the Venezuelan regime was allowed to remain in power after Maduro was abducted by the US.

The only way the current Iranian regime can be toppled is through a successful military invasion and the US will never go that far. (And Israel is absolutely incapable of doing this). This is only a possibility if all the major Arab countries came together and together with the US invaded Iran with a couple of hundred thousand men. But more likely is they'd rather this whole war would end right now than enter an all out war that would keep the Straights of Hormuz blocked for months on end and wreak havoc on the world economy and their oil/gas revenues.