When did Bibi start paying them?
Seems like he would do absolutely anything to avoid a single cohesive force pushing for Palestinian state.
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Monitoring the situation in Iran
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Seems like he would do absolutely anything to avoid a single cohesive force pushing for Palestinian state.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
No matter what your view is of the Israeli administration (because a Government isn't a country), if you somehow think they are forcing the US to do their bidding then you are delusional.
Just stop and think for a minute how batshit insane that is. Basically if the inference being made by these anti-Zionist types (actually antisemites, but lets just set that aside for a moment) were true, then what would stop any other foreign power from dictating the foreign policy of a far larger and more powerful nation ? It'd be the ultimate OP political power move.
It'd be like saying its actually Cuba dictating Russian foreign policy, or North Korea dictating to China what their policy is in East Asia!
Except noone says that because its obviously stupid. If a superpower intercedes in such a way as to assist a smaller allied nation its essentially a play for regional influence driven by the concerns and wants of that larger nation! Obviously.
Some of the conspiratorial bullshit people have been spouting is so obviously insane I'm amazed that people don't immediately see through it. (*cough* antisemitism is pernicious)
You can't pin it on lobbyists because that's always done on quid-pro-quo. You can't pin it on "Epstein's Island" or some such other fantasy of leverage through blackmail/coercion because that would make the same information equally powerful to any party was threatening to disclose it.
If America goes to war, its because the US administration wants to.
ThroatPie
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That's a problem. We need leadership that isn't the baby sitter for the world.
Jaybe
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IRANIAN AND IRANIAN-BACKED ATTACKS AGAINST AMERICANS (1979-PRESENT)
Here's few select examples from the list showing what the Iranian regime done to American citizens:
April 1983: A suicide car bombing kills 63 people, including 17 Americans, at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. The Iran-backed terrorist group Islamic Jihad, a precursor and early branch of Hezbollah (not to be confused with Palestinian Islamic Jihad), claims responsibility.
October 1983: Operatives of the Iran-backed Hezbollah drive a truck bomb at a Marine compound in Beirut, killing 220 U.S. Marines and 21 other service personnel.
March 1984: Terrorists kidnap CIA station chief William Buckley in Beirut, subsequently torturing and ultimately killing him in 1985. Islamic Jihad claims responsibility.
July 1989: Hezbollah operatives kill U.S. Marine Corps Col. William Higgins after kidnapping him the previous year while on a United Nations peacekeeping mission in southern Lebanon.
June 1996: A truck carrying 5,000 pounds of explosives blows up the Khobar Towers, a U.S. Air Force housing complex in the Saudi Arabian town of Khobar. Nineteen Americans die and some 500 people are injured. The Iran-backed Hezbollah Al Hijaz, a terrorist group in Saudi Arabia, is deemed responsible.
August 1998: With the assistance of Hezbollah, al Qaeda suicide bombers almost simultaneously blow up the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 people, including 12 Americans, and wounding thousands.
September 11, 2001: While the 9/11 Commission Report concludes that Iran had no foreknowledge of al Qaeda's attacks on the World Trade Center, the report indicates that Tehran facilitated the travel of some of the terrorists. "In sum," the report notes, "there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers."
2003-2011: Iranian-backed militias kill at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq, according to the Pentagon. Iranian training and material support for Iraqi militias during the surge greatly increased the difficulty of U.S. forces to combat the insurgency and included some of the deadliest weapons used against American troops, including explosively formed penetrators (EFPs) and improvised explosive devices (IEDs).
January 2007: Twelve men affiliated with the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U.S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U.S. soldiers, and wounded another three
November 2022: A captain in Iran's IRGC orchestrates the killing of an American citizen living in Baghdad who worked at an English language institute.
October 7, 2023: Hamas kills at least 48 Americans and kidnaps at least 12 Americans in a massacre of 1,200 people in southern Israel.
ThroatPie
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Then why does a majority of US politicians take hundreds of thousands and sometimes millions of dollars from AIPAC?
ThroatPie
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Sounds like we need to remove ourselves from foreign nations and stop butting our noses in businesses of other countries.
Remember how we got involved with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and supplied military requirement to Rebels which led to the formation of the Taliban.
Not hard to leave other countries deal with their own shit. There's a reason why countries hate us.
Jaybe
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Isn't that Fuentes guy a neo-nazi? Thankfully I haven't seen him posted here before but I guess there is always a first time for everything.
Edit, wtf looked into this more and the fucker is a holocaust denier. Guy, get help.
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Trump is obviously stuck. He can't open the Strait of Hormuz, he can't land a favorable deal, and he's unwilling to martingale with ground troops. His own party may even revolt if he goes with ground troops (enough of them anyway), further tying his hands.
Every day his options get worse. The landing sites get more fortified, oil goes higher, the American people's patience grows thinner, and global pressure to end this increases. I personally wouldn't even know what advice to give him, he's trapped with no good options.
Every day his options get worse. The landing sites get more fortified, oil goes higher, the American people's patience grows thinner, and global pressure to end this increases. I personally wouldn't even know what advice to give him, he's trapped with no good options.
Jaybe
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There's a reason it's in the US's interest to be in the Middle East and project power there, hint: it's oil not Israel.
StueyDuck
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Wait till you find out that almost all politicians are backed by some dodgy cunt from some dodgy organisation using said politician to get influence in the system.
If you are just thinking "Grrr, the jews did this again", then you're probably anti-Semitic.
The majority of all global leaders are backed by some fucked up, greedy person or org, usually foreign as well.
The EFF in South Africa, has ol JuJu Malema, yes, the man openly singing and dancing while shooting loaded guns, screaming "kill the white farmers (boer)", was funded and backed by benefactors of the UK, a hefty amount too.
Singling out one dodgy dealer just because it lines up with who you hate doesn't mean that they all don't equally do it with equally shitty people.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Big pharma has spent $8.5 billion lobbying elected officials to stay out of their business over the last 25 years, so why not put the blame on them too!
And seriously, Nick Fuentes tweets ? Why not pull up some Hasan Piker stuff too !
But seriously, like I said its quid-pro-quo. Big pharma pays shit-tons to get government to look the other way. Which is a whole lot easier than getting an entire administration to go to war... what sort of price tag do you think is attached to that ?
And given that price-tag why not just spend it on armaments of their own ?
I'm not arguing there are no perverse incentives, the Military Industrial Complex always welcomes conflict to fill out their coffers. But that's an INTERNAL issue of the system, not the machinations of a foreign power.
ResilientBanana
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Investigate away. But if it's turning out, they're going to dilute the gas and make it less efficient, it totally makes sense.
Also, something to take into account is the fact that it takes fuel to transport groceries among various other types of products. If this doesn't resolve shortly, we're looking at the cost of living skyrocketing as well the cost of doing business. Traveling is going to become incredibly expensive.
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Because they believe in the same cause? Because Israel is a true ally to the US while Europe and ME countries just dont do shit?! Because they believe Jews should have their own state?
Lots of good reasons. And if you actually cared, there are many more powerful lobbies from other countries. Not to mention AIPAC is 100% American.
ThroatPie
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And on that note, I'm out. It's always "you're anti-Semitic" cop out when there's no other rebuttal.
It's called pattern recognition. I'm sorry that I notice things.
And on that note, I'm out. It's always "you're anti-Semitic" cop out when there's no other rebuttal.
It's called pattern recognition. I'm sorry that I notice things.
ThroatPie
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Who runs big pharma?
Jaybe
Member
And on that note, I'm out. It's always "you're anti-Semitic" cop out when there's no other rebuttal.
It's called pattern recognition. I'm sorry that I notice things.
ThroatPie
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Jaybe
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ThroatPie
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StueyDuck
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I literally say, unless you think X ... so you are admitting that you think that?And on that note, I'm out. It's always "you're anti-Semitic" cop out when there's no other rebuttal.
It's called pattern recognition. I'm sorry that I notice things.
because i gave you a rebuttal.
FullMetalx117
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There is a problem of calling out Israel for some reason on here. To be fair. Everyone deserves to get called out.
magats, whiny Brits, pakis, Indians, etc. No reason to protect Israel.
magats, whiny Brits, pakis, Indians, etc. No reason to protect Israel.
It's amazing how you know straight away someone is fucked up in the head when he brings Nick Fuentes to a discussion.EviLore can you give the FBI his IP address and other identifying data?
Edit: I'm kidding but the guy is mental
Like someone earlier in the thread stated, it seems like Israel has really broke people's minds.
StueyDuck
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I guess you showed your true colours.
It's almost like my suspicions were true after all.
Jaybe
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I've never seen his content before but given how quickly a fan of his crashed out, it all seems like what's said about the guy is true
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ThroatPie
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Nah, quite the opposite friend. You guys showed your true colors. I was talking respectfully until being called an anti-Semite.
Your kind isn't immune from being criticized just like whites, blacks, Asians, etc aren't.
Grow up.
ThroatPie
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No matter who shares it, is it the truth or not? Can't hide from the truth brother.
StueyDuck
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I thought you were leaving, instead you've had a racist-fueled tantrum and are now saying it's everyone else's fault.
You could have just simply said "no i don't think Grr the jews did this"...
Like that is a very simple thing to write in words.
But even then you still haven't had a functioning brain cell to actually rebute anything me or anyone else has said
Jaybe
Member
There's criticism of Israel from a few folks active in here. People respond back respectfully and it goes back and forth. Sadly some like this doofus even pretending they are just 'asking questions' and when they are educated nicely with another point of view, they jump down the Jew hating trope like they were Usain Bolt.
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ThroatPie
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The truth and pattern recognition isn't racism homie.
StueyDuck
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still waiting for a rebuttal to the post you "ran scared" from but instead threw a little racism tantrum, but you keep digging that hole of racism my friend.
i'm sure it's gonna work out well for you
ThroatPie
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still waiting for a rebuttal to the post you "ran scared" from but instead threw a little racism tantrum, but you keep digging that hole of racism my friend.
i'm sure it's gonna work out well for you
Which post? The circlejerk of cucks quoted me 1,000 times so I don't know which one you're referring to.
StueyDuck
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you're a big boy, you'll figure it out, just try not blame the jews for that one.
Hero of Spielberg
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'A few new pages, there must be some interesting developments in Iran …'
'Oh.'
'Oh.'
ThroatPie
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110 countries can't be wrong.
Boo Who?
Gold Member
I watch this thread more than participate. A lot of people's problems with Israel, have nothing to do with the country itself, but mostly with Bibi and with some of our politicians who clearly put them in front of America. In the end, Bibi is looking out for, what I hope he thinks, what is best for his people, and I respect that. All leaders manipulate and con to get what they want, not just Bibi. Personally, I think Bibi is a smarmy cunt and does more harm than good. I also believe that a handicapped Iran is good for the ME and the rest of the world, especially Europe. It is a double-edged sword of a situation. I want it to end quickly so no more people have to die, but I also want the Iranian people to have the right people in charge so they can get to living a good life.
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Queso de Grande
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Stay on topic. I don't want to see this thread locked.
StueyDuck
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Actually, 110 countries can be very, very wrong.
The West (the free world) is actually not as big as the East/middleeast and South, which all have many countries with heinous human rights violations, things like rape, murder, human trafficking and so on.
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StueyDuck
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instead of being a weirdo, why didn't you just engage in the topic like an adult?me waiting for my ban like:
longrainwater
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I'm assuming you've used your elite pattern recognition skills to succeed in business/software dev/the stock market?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
StueyDuck
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My man's still on the NFTs money train...
ThroatPie
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I did. I asked why Israel doesn't fight their own battles and why does Americans have to die while they refuse to put boots on the ground in Iran. Then I asked about AIPAC and shared a video which is the truth and that really broke some people. Even had someone wanting the FBI to come after me.
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