Interesting, didn't know that. All MT Framework games I played (from Lost Planet to RE) use some kind of weird filter on the textures, making low resolution textures look good. Does TriG do that too?
New Plesioth looks amazing btw (I still hate him)
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Monster Hunter Tri G |OT| Dozens of Monsters, Zero Compelling Textures
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Interesting, didn't know that. All MT Framework games I played (from Lost Planet to RE) use some kind of weird filter on the textures, making low resolution textures look good. Does TriG do that too?
New Plesioth looks amazing btw (I still hate him)
Yes, I subscribe to this uncertain-but-usually-certain-about-these-things frame of mind. It's super silky smooth, but it could be 30 and we're just smitten with the prettiness.
EDIT: On the other hand, there really isn't that much going on in the stage and the monsters aren't very complex. It's efficient use of resources, and there is nothing going on that should make us think 60fps is a godly achievement so much as an admirable and respectable one.
Either way, it's good looking and smooth and has tiny load times between sections. Hyperbole valve still firing.
Yeah I'm 99% that's 60FPS, best would be to look around with a bowgun's scope. 60FPS is easier to see through 1st person IMO.
It could also be that some animations are rendered at 30FPS and/or it's running at a variable framerate. (I think the latter from what I experience in PC games)
All in all, FUCKING AWESOME if true. First 60FPS MH outside of PC, all hail Capcom.
I think they were comparing Oot 3D to Oot which was 20 fps, which didn't help matters.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
That makes sense, since Tri's animations were designed for 30FPS rather than 60FPS. It's like the effect you get with Perfect Dark XBLA (where some animations are butter smooth and some are really framey since they weren't designed with the 60FPS you get from the 360 version in mind)
As I said previously, IMHO it's variable FPS. DCharlie's first few videos are outside shots where I definitely noticed some reduction in fps while playing. It's smooth, but not 60fps smooth.
Down inside the caves is where I definitely saw it being smooth enough to consider 60fps. There urukususu's sliding attacks looked like what you'd see in Costco TVs where they're showing disney movies with frame interpolation enabled.
I never turned 3D off though, so maybe 2D performance is slightly better across the board.
Edit: animation at lower fps makes sense. If the powerslide is separate from regular monstern animation it makes sense that that part looked ridiculously smooth compared to other actions.
yankee666
Member
So i just tried the demo and ive to say i love the game. I Just cant wait to have it on my hands!!!! Hopefully the 3DS bundle, but im staring to loose my hope since i havent receive any notification from Nippon Yasan in a week 
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I dont have any complaints for the game, but a bigger screen and 2nd analog could be heaven. Bring on the redesing already Nintendo!!!
.I dont have any complaints for the game, but a bigger screen and 2nd analog could be heaven. Bring on the redesing already Nintendo!!!
KennyLinder
Member
Remember when Capcom first showed off Lost Planet and they did a presentation on how MT worked, which gives the illusion of high framerate but with a much lower hit than actually running at a true 60fps. Lost Planet looked really really smooth on 360, maybe this uses similar techniques...
Trying to find the presentation slide explaining how it works.
Trying to find the presentation slide explaining how it works.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
That used per object motion blur to simulate higher FPS. MH3G does not use this motion blur.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Convinced its variable frame rate and it's giving the feel of a higher frame rate after another game during commute.
Anyways, by the by really, the core message is that some one like me who was borderline annoyed by the choice of platform has , once again, misread what the 3ds could do in Capcoms hands.
Happy for 3G but now incredibly excited for MH4
Anyways, by the by really, the core message is that some one like me who was borderline annoyed by the choice of platform has , once again, misread what the 3ds could do in Capcoms hands.
Happy for 3G but now incredibly excited for MH4
The 'you died, get taken back to camp' was I'm pretty sure running at 30, so I'm now inclined to suggest it all runs at 30 2D and 3D. On the flip-side, the particle effects to show status changes (I think that's what they are) really look like 60 so :/
The point really I guess is that it looks pretty neat, and again I have to say that it looks like the priorities were focused on making it smooth and quick (the distance of the highest level of texture detail on the floor is not far at all, for example, but you only notice if you look for it).
Still buying, just for the pretties.
The point really I guess is that it looks pretty neat, and again I have to say that it looks like the priorities were focused on making it smooth and quick (the distance of the highest level of texture detail on the floor is not far at all, for example, but you only notice if you look for it).
Still buying, just for the pretties.
So i just tried the demo and ive to say i love the game. I Just cant wait to have it on my hands!!!! Hopefully the 3DS bundle, but im staring to loose my hope since i havent receive any notification from Nippon Yasan in a week
I dont have any complaints for the game, but a bigger screen and 2nd analog could be heaven. Bring on the redesing already Nintendo!!!
A bigger screen would be loverly.
Can't wait for saturday ><
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
occured to me last night that the Wii U version of Monster Hunter 3G/4 might be the same as the 3DS version.
Two screens supported, playable in 2D... and 3D
MT Framework so possible to have the same code running but spruced up a la MH HD
Transfarting for the Nintendo world
and (as an aside) DS games on VC, playable on a big screen and on 3DS ( :O )
<businesshat> revenue streamzzzzzzz </businesshat>
Two screens supported, playable in 2D... and 3D
MT Framework so possible to have the same code running but spruced up a la MH HD
Transfarting for the Nintendo world
and (as an aside) DS games on VC, playable on a big screen and on 3DS ( :O )
<businesshat> revenue streamzzzzzzz </businesshat>
I think they are short handed and out on a trip. They did mentioned on their website and facebook.So i just tried the demo and ive to say i love the game. I Just cant wait to have it on my hands!!!! Hopefully the 3DS bundle, but im staring to loose my hope since i havent receive any notification from Nippon Yasan in a week
From what I can tell, MH3G is a port of MHP3 with added shaders and effects.
Honestly "transfarring" is Kojipro at rock bottom. Even worse than lalelulio or whatever that shit was.
Is it really? I thought when they announced it that it would be a port of Tri plus added content. I mean, the underwater sections would have been easier that way, no?
That makes no sense at all.
MHTri was made on MT Framework and would be far easier to port to 3DS than the PSP game.
I do not know exactly how they ported it but from the way they reduced the geometry makes it look closer to MHP3 than MH3. For the new area in MHP3, the Mountain Stream, unless they have a more detailed model at hand, they will have no choice but to port the area from the psp version.
I guess they ported from both MH3 and MHP3 and compile them.
Left 3DS, right PSP. Dam I can't find a similar MH3 scene
It wasn't. MT Framework didn't hit Wii until Basara 3. And even then, it was "Lite."
I see. Thanks for correcting me.
twentytwo22
Member
Picked up the new Famitsu today. Here are some details: (spoilered for extra-sensitive people. Obviously no 'story'-type spoilers lol)
Will update more during my break.
monsters listed: (note: Famitsu doesn't say if this is all of them or not)
Brakidios
Dosjaggi
Dosbaggi
Dosfroggi
Aoashira
Urukusus
Kurupeko
Kurupeko (ss)
Rathalos (ss)
Rathian (ss)
Boroboros
Boroboros (ss)
Rangrotra
Uragaan
Doboruberuk
Uragaan (ss)
Nargakulga
Rathian
Lagiacrus (ss)
Diablos (ss)
Ganototos
Rathalos
Ganototos (ss)
Giginox
Giginox (ss)
Barioth
Barioth (ss)
Eviljoe
Agnaktor
Royal Ludroth
Chanagabul
Haplebokka
Royal Ludroth (ss)
Jhen Moran
Jhen Moran (ss)
Lagiacrus
Jinoga
Jinoga (ss)
Agnaktor (ss)
Doboruberuk (ss)
Cadeus (nabarudeusu)
Notably, Tigrex is missing :-(
Brakidios
Dosjaggi
Dosbaggi
Dosfroggi
Aoashira
Urukusus
Kurupeko
Kurupeko (ss)
Rathalos (ss)
Rathian (ss)
Boroboros
Boroboros (ss)
Rangrotra
Uragaan
Doboruberuk
Uragaan (ss)
Nargakulga
Rathian
Lagiacrus (ss)
Diablos (ss)
Ganototos
Rathalos
Ganototos (ss)
Giginox
Giginox (ss)
Barioth
Barioth (ss)
Eviljoe
Agnaktor
Royal Ludroth
Chanagabul
Haplebokka
Royal Ludroth (ss)
Jhen Moran
Jhen Moran (ss)
Lagiacrus
Jinoga
Jinoga (ss)
Agnaktor (ss)
Doboruberuk (ss)
Cadeus (nabarudeusu)
Notably, Tigrex is missing :-(
Will update more during my break.
I do not know exactly how they ported it but from the way they reduced the geometry makes it look closer to MHP3 than MH3. For the new area in MHP3, the Mountain Stream, unless they have a more detailed model at hand, they will have no choice but to port the area from the psp version.
I guess they ported from both MH3 and MHP3 and compile them.
Left 3DS, right PSP. Dam I can't find a similar MH3 scene
Umm going by that comparison, Tri G looks a fuck ton better then P3rd. Everything is higher fidelity in that 3DS shot. Polygons and textures look about half way between Tri and P3rd, so I'd wager that they took Tri's assets and down sampled them again, specifically for Tri G, as opposed to just taking P3rds assets and dumping some shaders on top.
Frontier Online and (possibly) 4 say hi.
soxinthebox
Member
Is levitation new to the 3ds version?
I don't thinks he's levitating, I think it's the shadow being drawn in the wrong spot. Hopefully that glitch has been fixed in the final game.
Maybe. But for Mountain Stream, I think they port it from MHP3 as I don't think they can port it from anywhere else
Yeah, of course, that goes without saying but I'm pretty sure they used Tri's assets as a base wherever they could.Maybe. But for Mountain Stream, I think they port it from MHP3 as I don't think they can port it from anywhere else
twentytwo22
Member
Forgot but wanted to say apologies for the mixed naming scheme in my previous post! I've never played an English monster hunter before, but I know some of the names and put them where I knew them. For the Japanese names, I either put the transliteration or for really whacky names, how it would probably sound best in English.
Also, this may have been previously known, but it looks like the town points system will be the same (or very similar) to Tri, where you go out of the town with an unlimited timer and no mission and kill monsters to gain town points to unlock various things.
Also, this may have been previously known, but it looks like the town points system will be the same (or very similar) to Tri, where you go out of the town with an unlimited timer and no mission and kill monsters to gain town points to unlock various things.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Maybe. But for Mountain Stream, I think they port it from MHP3 as I don't think they can port it from anywhere else
Don't forget Flooded Forest at low tide. Although for that particular case I'm not sure for which game they'd draw assets from.
Porting assets and porting code are two totally different beasts. Let's not confuse matters here.Maybe. But for Mountain Stream, I think they port it from MHP3 as I don't think they can port it from anywhere else
Edit: looking at that list, I can't believe they would leave out the ss of Nargakuga. Surely that will be in there. Maybe it'll be a 希少種 instead of 亜種.
480 hours!!!? 0_o
I knew the battery would last ages but that's just insane.
StickSoldier
Member
Wow, 480 hours? I'd much rather have to use 1 AAA battery then having to constantly recharge it nightly.
Speaking of the Slidepad, I hope someone makes a video demonstrating it soon. I really want one, so long as it does it's job good.
Yes indeed. The nice thing about alkaline batteries is that their effective energy capacity increases as current/power draw of the device drops. So in other words, battery life increases exponentially as power draw drops (because the device is both using less energy over time and has a larger amount of available energy).
I also suspect what's happening is that the inputs on the frankenstick behave like power switches and the device only outputs IR signals when inputs are pressed (much like a TV remote). As such I assume that 480 hours figure is in fact a practical usage estimate (taking into account non-use during play) and not a continuous usage figure.
Edit: BTW This news deserves it's own thread. I'm going to make one.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
It's just an IR reciever. Think about how long a TV remote lasts for. It shouldn't have been surprising.
Yes but you typically don't use a TV remote for more then a minute at a time and maybe only a few minutes a day. You certainly don't get 480hours of usage out of a TV remote. I'm guessing though that the IR lamp in the frankenstick is considerably lower powered then a TV remote's lamp (since it only has to project a few mm across a darkened space as opposed to a few meters in full daylight).
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
They're the same environments, quests and enemies as in the full game. Would make no sense for them to go down to 30FPS in the final retail game.
twentytwo22
Member
There has to be more monsters --- I would hope, anyway. There is no "final" type boss on that list (Cadeus was a single player affair in Tri...) but I also noticed only two entirely new mobs were introduced in MHP2G. But looking at the monster list for 2G and comparing it to what I posted above, if that is all of them, this game seriously would pale in comparison ;(
Also, there are only 41 monsters on the list above --- there were 58 in MHP2G.
2ndG was crazy in Monster content, you can't expect them to recreate that in TriG
Relaxed Muscle
Member
There's something off, I'm one of these guys that can see 30fps vs 60fps, and it's confusing me, the first video look clearly 60fps, the second one more or less, the last one seems 30fps....
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
There has to be more monsters
yeah, as discussed i was pretty sure it's variable frame rate. Yesterday i went through it again and it was "it's 60 for su.. no wait... 30... hmmm 60? ... 30?"
Now i think it's just 30 fps and the smoothness + other techniques give the impression of 60fps (the particles, the very smooth animation, the fact most moving items are distant and there's little 'close by' items)
Again, think the point is that the game looks great - the more i see it, the better and better it looks.
Tomorrow ! Or maybe even a flying get today. Akiba lunch trip, HO!
yeah, as discussed i was pretty sure it's variable frame rate. Yesterday i went through it again and it was "it's 60 for su.. no wait... 30... hmmm 60? ... 30?"
Now i think it's just 30 fps and the smoothness + other techniques give the impression of 60fps (the particles, the very smooth animation, the fact most moving items are distant and there's little 'close by' items)
Again, think the point is that the game looks great - the more i see it, the better and better it looks.
Tomorrow ! Or maybe even a flying get today. Akiba lunch trip, HO!
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
If this is true the bar for the 3DS has been raised massively.