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Moon landing conspiracy and Flat Earth conspiracy theories go here and nowhere else
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WhiskeyDiver
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I miss good ol "why aren't there cameras on space ships when they go into space?" Weilthain. I enjoyed his posts and never had a problem. Hell the dude was kind and gifted me Gaf Gold. Unfortunately, he pushed a bit too far and paid the price for it. It sucks, but he will live on in our hearts.
So I will in honor, ask the question. Why don't they have cameras to take pictures of space and stuff? (I know there's the ISS feed and plenty of photographic evidence, but the question is in honor of the fallen wookie bro Weilthain. May he forever sail happy upon his Earth that sits upon a giant turtle.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Maybe the answer is a boring one? To keep state secrets or an international understanding of "don't take pictures and shit when you're doing a space launch where the crew is made up of 100% nationals from launch country".
I wouldn't want the USSR, CHina, INdia or the US to fly rockets to space, with the ability to film and/or drop ordinance in to the atmosphere which could potentially reach another country.
Most of the space rules/laws were drawn up in the cold-war so...who knows?
WhiskeyDiver
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Slings and Arrows
oh of course. There could be satellites with suface level parts/components/pieces that could be considered extremely sensitive and top secret. It was more about honoring the sweet summer wookie child that was, is and always will be @Weilthan...that I obviously know is a grown adult.
Also there is the case that even adding a camera/video recorder to survive the rigors of orbiting around the earth adds a healthy amount of cost to already extremely expensive space-bound rocket ships.
Honestly I just never had a problem with him and all. Was always cool with him. There's a lot of people I'm cool with that other people probably and definitely can't stand. It's probably just due to the fact that I'm a laid back and easy going dude.
Of course I see things people that annoy me, make me mad in some way, or possibly "trigger" me to some extent. The trigger part isn't the feeling attacked/offended or "OMG IM GONNA REPLY SO HARD AND BLAST EM ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA OR IN A POST" kind of triggered. It's the kind that makes me grimace and say something in my mind or say audibly to myself. Those triggered moments don't last long, and telling someone that something he/she said offended, rage at them or babbling like a complete, and utterly embarrassing uninformed and borderline insane retard.
I'll never block someone on here, because if I see a post that makes me cringe or get that "tingle wingle mini triggered" feeling, I'll just scroll past it. I know I make a lot of dumb jokes and say moronic and dumb shit, but I'm smart enough to know that a lot of what I see that may have any of that happen is a waste of my time to write, and a waste of any person's time that reads what I said.
I would post a rebuttal to something like that if I had a solid, reasonable, rational, and factual, and civilized statement.
Also there is the case that even adding a camera/video recorder to survive the rigors of orbiting around the earth adds a healthy amount of cost to already extremely expensive space-bound rocket ships.
Honestly I just never had a problem with him and all. Was always cool with him. There's a lot of people I'm cool with that other people probably and definitely can't stand. It's probably just due to the fact that I'm a laid back and easy going dude.
Of course I see things people that annoy me, make me mad in some way, or possibly "trigger" me to some extent. The trigger part isn't the feeling attacked/offended or "OMG IM GONNA REPLY SO HARD AND BLAST EM ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA OR IN A POST" kind of triggered. It's the kind that makes me grimace and say something in my mind or say audibly to myself. Those triggered moments don't last long, and telling someone that something he/she said offended, rage at them or babbling like a complete, and utterly embarrassing uninformed and borderline insane retard.
I'll never block someone on here, because if I see a post that makes me cringe or get that "tingle wingle mini triggered" feeling, I'll just scroll past it. I know I make a lot of dumb jokes and say moronic and dumb shit, but I'm smart enough to know that a lot of what I see that may have any of that happen is a waste of my time to write, and a waste of any person's time that reads what I said.
I would post a rebuttal to something like that if I had a solid, reasonable, rational, and factual, and civilized statement.
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Grinchy
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Couldn't it also be that these launches are not easy in any way and that the expense and complication of putting together a successful launch leaves less room for somehow attaching an iphone to the side of the spaceship that doesn't burn up or rip off and all of that effort is just to maybe convince some nutjobs on random internet forums across the world?
The truth is, even if every spaceship had a camera glued to the outside that filmed every second of every spaceflight, the nutjobs would still be claiming it's fake. Look at this thread. The flat Earther demands evidence without supplying any. Then, no matter what evidence is provided, it's fake. So, sure, spend a few billion launching a rocket up with the sole purpose of live streaming the flight into deep space...and then have everyone tell you it was fake anyway. I think you'll probably say fuck that and stick to just sending up satellites for business purposes.
The truth is, even if every spaceship had a camera glued to the outside that filmed every second of every spaceflight, the nutjobs would still be claiming it's fake. Look at this thread. The flat Earther demands evidence without supplying any. Then, no matter what evidence is provided, it's fake. So, sure, spend a few billion launching a rocket up with the sole purpose of live streaming the flight into deep space...and then have everyone tell you it was fake anyway. I think you'll probably say fuck that and stick to just sending up satellites for business purposes.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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Yes that shirt is added to the source material, and then he walks into a room 237, the same as the thousands of miles the apollo 11 mission took. Note the source had room 217, iirc, but it was specifically changed. And he could have had a simple rocket on his tshirt, but no he had an apollo 11 labelled rocket tshirt.
zeomax
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"It had a room 217 but no room 237, so the hotel management asked me to change the room number because they were afraid their guests might not want to stay in room 217 after seeing the film. ... We wanted the hotel to look authentic rather than like a traditionally spooky movie hotel. "
Nymphae
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I see quotes but no source or attribution
zeomax
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The Kubrick Site: Kubrick speaks in regard to 'The Shining'
I rarely do. I have only 210 posts since 2013.
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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The video I linked showed that particular hotel did not actually have a room 217 and that excuse was a lie or so they claim.
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Nymphae
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Are there any examples besides the supposed curved nature of Earth's oceans, of water existing in a curved state? And not like a curved stream of water or a droplet of water, I'm talking something like a sphere covered with water all around it's surface - examples of a body of water that is curved. This seems impossible given how water observably behaves. I know, I know - Gravity. Has it ever been demonstrated how gravity can curve water? I get the theory but I'm looking for another example of this supposed effect. Like can this be shown in any other way? Water does not maintain a curve, it always finds it's level.
I read it so many times....it doesnt make any sense.
"Level" means its perpendicular to the gravity (so to the center of the earth).
So on globe it HAS to be curved to be "level".
Slings and Arrows
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Water always forms a meniscus as well, it isn't totally 100% flat, due to how gravity acts upon it.
Slings and Arrows
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Think of the water molecules like grains of sand. Now pile sand as high as you can. What natural shape does it take? Water does the same thing, only this time add a bit of spongeyness and compression as water is a liquid not a solid like sand.
Nymphae
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No it doesn't, it seeks level and you cannot create a mound of water.
Slings and Arrows
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It does and you can. The term is meniscus, you can probably see it if you have good enough eyes.
You need a tall, long, thin glass or measuring beaker. Fill it up, right to the brim, and then position yourself so you are at eye-level with it. You can see the middle 'raise' like a mound of sand.
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Nymphae
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Exactly. The Pacific is bulging due to this?
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Slings and Arrows
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Yes.
Nymphae
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Give me a source for that information.
Slings and Arrows
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I have neither the time, resource nor intelligence to dig out scientific papers on how the Pacific ocean has a meniscus over 1000's of square miles, affected by day/night cycles, underlying geometrical features of the ocean seabed and nearby archipelagos.
I can replicate this effect in my kitchen and see it with my own eyes, so while I've never seen it happen in the pacific ocean, I can confidently say it happens in nature
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Nymphae
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It really should not be tough to find a science blog or something that states this is the case, if you want to teach me here, you've gotta give me the links not just state it as a fact.
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Slings and Arrows
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It would seem that my theory brings all the boys to the yard, I could teach you but I would have to charge.
If it was that easy, i'm sure someone as capable and intelligent as yourself could find it in no time.
Nymphae
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Everything I find just says oceans are curved due to gravity, I can't find any information that states ocean curve is a meniscus. Take your time, you obviously learned this somewhere. I'm interested in info here not people wandering in with unsourced mic drops. I'm happy to read over any info you get if you can find it.
Rentahamster
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Slings and Arrows
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I believe the meniscus is cause by gravity. I can't see it being different in the oceans?
What is it that you want to prove or theorise on?
Nymphae
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A meniscus is caused by surface tension according to wikipedia. The pacific does not resemble water in tall thin glass. If you search for Ocean and Meniscus, you'd expect some science blogs describing this effect. I'm not finding anything that attributes the curvature of oceans to a meniscus.
Slings and Arrows
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Are you trying to prove flat-earth?
Nymphae
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I'm not actively trying to prove anything. I find this topic fascinating, and I find many FE arguments compelling. I am trying to understand and find answers to their criticisms of the globe model.
Rentahamster
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A meniscus forms in water in a glass test tube because the water is attracted very strongly to the glass, so you will see it creeping up the walls and forming a concave shape. You can see the opposite effect if you use a hydrophobic tube instead. The water is attracted to itself and is repelled by the walls, so it mounds up in the middle.
A similar effect is observed with liquid mercury, as the metallic intramolecular forces attract the mercury atoms more strongly to each other than to the glass, so you see them mound up in the middle.
A similar effect is observed with liquid mercury, as the metallic intramolecular forces attract the mercury atoms more strongly to each other than to the glass, so you see them mound up in the middle.
smoothj
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Drop a metal ball into magnetic sand. It will coat the whole thing evenly with this sand and you can't change that. Same with water leveling out.
Now pretend the ball is earth, sand is water and the magnetic force is gravity. Thats pretty much how it works.
Everything stays in place because of Earth's center of gravity
Earth is also spinning very fast, causing it to be slightly more wide at the equator due to the poles pushing down a bit.
Now pretend the ball is earth, sand is water and the magnetic force is gravity. Thats pretty much how it works.
Everything stays in place because of Earth's center of gravity
Earth is also spinning very fast, causing it to be slightly more wide at the equator due to the poles pushing down a bit.
FE theory is not "one of" but its "the single" silliest snd easiest to refute conspiracy theory ever.
There is not a single FE evidence or argument that is even remotely valid or reasonable.
Phunkydiabetic
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Yeah...but how do you REALLY know he is a grown adult? For all you know he is a Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller Russian spy part of a top secret sleeper cell.
Nymphae
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I'd prefer to see an experiment that demonstrates the supposed curvature rather than believe by analogy.
Ixiah
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Because if People believe the World is round "they" can control you man!!!!!!!!
Bladed Thesis
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Guys, the secret is so massive that millions of people have participated in the hoax, be it from NASA or international space agencies. And yet only a few people involved have ever come forward to speak about it.
Meanwhile, they drop little hints about this globe conspiracy in movies with door numbers and in organization logos like the UN. You know, like a Dan Brown novel. Obviously, worldwide conspiracies drop hints about their lie for only the smartest people to catch and unravel.
Meanwhile, they drop little hints about this globe conspiracy in movies with door numbers and in organization logos like the UN. You know, like a Dan Brown novel. Obviously, worldwide conspiracies drop hints about their lie for only the smartest people to catch and unravel.
Nymphae
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The ratio of insults/snark posts to experimental data proving curvature is telling. We've heard all of these before guys, you're not breaking new ground by rolling your eyes and asking how a conspiracy is supposed to work. It's not about what you know, it's about what you can prove.
Bladed Thesis
Member
True.
I'd like a photo from the pinnacle of the dome of the firmament of the ice wall and Flat Earth please.
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Rentahamster
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You're already doing that with the "water finds its level" analogy. You're taking observations that occur on a small scale and assuming that it also occurs in the exact same way on a much much muuuuuuuch larger scale.
Nymphae
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Me too! Until that happens, I'm focused on the alleged proofs that don't rely on photo or video data.
How am I believing anything by analogy? That water always seeks level is an observation anyone is capable of making, and I'm not stating I believe anything, I'm merely asking for proof of the claim you believe. I'm being told the oceans behave differently than all water I've ever seen in my life, and am being provided an analogy as proof.
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Rentahamster
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The analogy is so that you can better conceptualize how gravity functions on a planetary scale.
Here's proof:
Nymphae
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Well like I said, I personally do not consider video or photo strong enough as a sole evidential basis. How was this accounted for before we had such digital "proofs"? There must be some other way to demonstrate this. From what I understand, the only way to curve water in the way you believe it is curved is to have it exist on a sufficiently large and heavy sphere.
I'm thinking of experiments along the lines of the Discovery Channel video posted earlier in the thread that was purporting to prove water curvature by pointing a laser over the water, and measuring the height of it on the boat at varying distances. They claimed that as proof, and I was asked in this thread how this could be faked, and I simply said a very slight upward angle on the laser would produce the effect of the laser appearing higher on the boat the further away it traveled. I question the methodology and it was not established that the laser was level.
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Kamina
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Meniscus is caused by the capillary effect due to intermolecular forces between the medium and the surrounding surface. Its something that exists in the microcosm, not the macrocosm.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Seeing ships sink below the horizon in the distance.
Sailing towards a tall mountain and seeing its top visible before its bottom.
Seeing elevated objects sooner means that you can see them at a greater distance away, which is why lighthouses are tall.
Seeing different patterns in the way the sun and planets behave, and theorizing why that might be, and then confirming it with math via Kepler and Newton's equations.
Seeing how the constellations are different in the northern and southern hemispheres.
Knowing how "line of sight" works.
Seeing how the sun's noon rays make different angles at different parts of the Earth.
Inventing telescopes and seeing how everything else in space is spherical in nature so why the hell wouldn't we be the same too.
Seeing how in nature spheres form quite often as a sphere has the least surface area per volume (e.g. bubbles), and discovering how gravity works and applying that knowledge to the formation of our own planet.
Seeing how time zones work and how we had to develop that concept as humans get the capability to travel across the Earth at greater and greater speeds and that when one side of the Earth is hit by the sun (day_, the other side is dark (night)
Predicting solar and lunar eclipses using gravitational equations.
Seeing how the shadow of the Earth in a lunar eclipse is and has always been a shadow that is cast by a spherical object.
Pick one.
Nymphae
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I'll settle for a single experiment that can measure the amount of curvature. Can you find that one?
Bladed Thesis
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The final experiment in Behind the Curve seemed pretty good. They laid out exactly what they expected to find, exactly what they didn't expect to find and in the end they raised their light and said it was interesting.
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