Moon landing conspiracy and Flat Earth conspiracy theories go here and nowhere else
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We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
I guess I'm just not easily offended. We're all kind of nuts in our own way.
Not offended, just mad. Freely admitted to getting mad on the internet like a dope. We've all been there, my trigger just happens to by flerfers.
synchronicity
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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We don't need to put time or energy into something that is factually wrong. It's just a waste of time and I'd rather be playing shenmue 3 if I'm going to waste it.
Nymphae
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I mean at least get your mocking memes correct. It shows a fundamental unfamiliarity with their theories when strawmen are always presented. You're mocking an idea nobody holds with those kinds of images.
WhiskeyDiver
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The earth is as round as Brie Larson's ass is flat.
Checkmate Flat Earthers.
Checkmate Flat Earthers.
Oh the irony....
The vast majority of flat earthers (or should i say every single one) show fundamental unfamiliarity with principles they are trying to disprove.
They have no clue about gravity, perspective, water "seeking" level, density and so on....
The Brooklyn Brawler
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The only thing that's flat is this thread since they banned Weilthain
Nymphae
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Can anyone explain this for me? I was under the impression that there was a fair bit of ice mass at the north pole. If you google search "North Pole", you will be given many images of land that appears similar to photographs of Antarctica. I watched a video last night of an expedition to the north pole, they were clearly on a landmass of ice.
I watched another video from a non-flat earther, some kid who had downloaded google earth and was just trying to find the north pole, and asking his followers to explain to him what he was missing. What most of us think is there does not appear to be there. It should be in this giant dark blue patch, no?
Edit: Also didn't get any takers for explaining this one, I can't seem to find an explanation online that makes sense given the videos I've seen with delays of up to 11 seconds.
I watched another video from a non-flat earther, some kid who had downloaded google earth and was just trying to find the north pole, and asking his followers to explain to him what he was missing. What most of us think is there does not appear to be there. It should be in this giant dark blue patch, no?
Edit: Also didn't get any takers for explaining this one, I can't seem to find an explanation online that makes sense given the videos I've seen with delays of up to 11 seconds.
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zeomax
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Ever thought that it wasn't live? A scripted show?
Nymphae
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It was presented as live. He is conversing with him from the ground.
Nymphae
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Astronaut and Musician Perform 1st Original Duet from Space and Earth
Canadian astronaut Chris Hadfield and Barenaked Ladies' singer Ed Robertson sang in the first duet to premiere after being performed in Earth and space simultaneously.
So that's out, what else you got?
zeomax
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Nymphae
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Wow, quite an admission. I haven't been able to find any explanation for this anywhere. I trust your google searches turned up nothing?
iconmaster
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I'm torn because the flat-earth theory has a lot of intuitive attractiveness, whereas the round-earth model requires a fairly extensive knowledge of math and astronomy (or at least astronomical experience gleaned through worldwide travel -- differences in constellations and such) to be convincing on an empirical basis. Arguments from the history of space exploration are not empirical arguments. I'm not saying only empirical arguments are valid arguments, however; far from it. But they do have significant persuasive power.
But I do tend to side with the Greeks on this one, who had the circumference nailed down pretty early on. If you correct for a bit of bad data in Eratosthenes' (third century BC!) methods, you get a circumference within 41 miles of the currently accepted measure.
But I do tend to side with the Greeks on this one, who had the circumference nailed down pretty early on. If you correct for a bit of bad data in Eratosthenes' (third century BC!) methods, you get a circumference within 41 miles of the currently accepted measure.
Nymphae
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Well I did, and came up with nothing. That performance shouldn't be possible given what we know about ISS communication.
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TylersProphecy4.0
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How about form a goddamned argument? Your shit is weak and annoying and adds nothing to any form of conversation or thought.
strange headache
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I watched another video from a non-flat earther, some kid who had downloaded google earth and was just trying to find the north pole, and asking his followers to explain to him what he was missing. What most of us think is there does not appear to be there. It should be in this giant dark blue patch, no?
Google Earth relies on Landsat/Sentinel-2 imagery which comes from satellites in a sun-synchronous orbit. A sun-synchronous orbit does not cover the poles, meaning that the limit of Landsat imagery is around 83 degrees. Anything above it, such as the North Pole will not be shown. Also Google Earth only shows satellite imagery over land and since the North Pole is in the middle of the Arctic Ocean Google Earth shows a map of the sea floor and not satellite imagery.
Marching Bands also deal with sound delays which is the reason why they have certain techniques in order to compensate for this. Marching band musicians do not play off each other, but perform individually meaning that the back of the field starts performing first since their sound takes a longer distance to travel. Tempo changes and breaks are trained in advance through the use of a metronome, so every individual knows what to perform and when.
If you know that your delay is about 11 seconds, the person on Earth just starts to perform 11 seconds later than the astronaut. Their vocal and instrumental breaks are simply planned in advance and they do not wait for each other to finish. When both performances are put together, just like with the marching band, it will match together as intended.
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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what happens if they are showing an 11 second delay to verbally respond, but seem to accidentally smile or react instantly to something happening on the ground...
Nymphae
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So everything inside that area on the south pole is a fabrication?
I suppose their reasoning is that they can't have an unfinished globe up there on display, so they've done some creative photoshopping to fill in the areas we apparently cannot image, and just bury that fact because who really cares.
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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The reaction seems instantaneous in the first portion, and what was said 11 seconds prior had nothing to do with it.
Nymphae
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"former Marine, CIA case officer, and US co-founder of the US Marine Corps intelligence activity" makes some interesting comments about the CIA and NASA. Is this guy a nut? Is this whole conference legit? My search results for news related to this organization seem rather sparse. Timestamped at the relevant lines.
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Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
I'm not a flat earther but I don't believe we went to the moon.
Tesseract
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The Brooklyn Brawler
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What about this CIA astral projection "stargate project" I've been reading about today
That's some freaky shit
That's some freaky shit
TylersProphecy4.0
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Read up on mkultra as a whole, during the admitted period the government was studying these things and then where all the roaches scattered afterwards. Remote viewing was only one very subdued part of their investigations/experiments.
Shit, ted Kazinsky was basically brainwashed by the same people who invented mkultra.
Nymphae
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strange headache
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Uh huh, dude has been flying commercial airplanes for 32 years but has apparently never heard of an LCC aeronautical chart, the most common mapping system used for aviation:
Also, he doesn't know the difference between altitude and trajectory, because if he would simply maintain his altitude during flight, his trajectory would result in a curved trajectory due to the gravitational pull of our planet.
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Bladed Thesis
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Shh, the anonymous person on the internet said they're a pilot and used a number not divisible by 5 to represent their experience. Why would they lie?
I also r pilot. 27 year. No see curve. Thanks you.
Nymphae
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strange headache
I don't understand how the Coriolis effect doesn't affect something like a bullet. I can find the video if I look around, but I recently saw a video where these two Mexican guys shot a magnum straight up into the air to see how long it takes to come down. It was up in the air for about 2 minutes, and came down within like a 20 foot radius of where they were standing every time they did it. Shouldn't the Earth's rotation affect this path a lot more than that? Are we just invoking gravity again and saying that magically keeps the bullet rotating with everything?
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It does affect bullets. Snipers have to account for it.
Nymphae
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I wish I could find this video, these guys were just doing magnum tests and were not related to any conspiracy channels. The bullets were always in the air for the same amount of time and landed in the same area, they almost got hit a couple times it sounded like. Shouldn't the bullets be moving more? Like a lot more?
It doesn't affect bullet trajectory much, only a few inches to the left or right at 1000 yards of horizontal traversal, depending on latitude.
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Nymphae
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What if you're shooting a bullet straight up, the earth's rotation doesn't move the launching point away from the path?
No, that's not what the coriolis effect is, and not how objects on/near the Earth's surface behave.
Gravity is a big deal. ;b
Nymphae
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So you need to account for rotation on a horizontal shot, but a vertical shot just comes straight down again?
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Pretty much, yeah.
Nymphae
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Another thing I don't understand about rotation speeds is why there is no apparent effect of two constant speeds while orbiting the sun. I've shared this in here before, this guy is interviewing an astrophysicist about some FE questions (under false pretenses.)
Timestamped at the relevant question. He shows her the video of a carnival ride where people are rotating in a circle on a witch's hat, while the whole thing moves back and forth on a half pipe. You feel acceleration and deceleration as you move with, then against the half pipe path while circling on the witch's hat. It's probably easier just to watch the video, the ride is self explanatory and the effects obvious.
So the earth rotates at 1000 mph at the equator, and also moves 66,000 mph around the sun in an elliptical orbit, but no acceleration or deceleration resulting from the two constant speeds is apparent. She says "because gravity" basically:
Guy: Surely with the rotation of the earth, and because it's going around the sun at 66,000 mph, we'd be experiencing deceleration and acceleration...
Astrophysicist: So you want to include all of the velocities involved? Of the earth...
Guy: Just two, the earth's rotation on it's axis 1000 mph, and 66,000 mph around the sun. If you're on the edge of this sphere, like a human being, you would surely be experiencing acceleration and deceleration
AP: Yes, exactly.
Guy: How does astrophysics at your level explain that?
AP: Well it's gravitational forces. So one of rotational forces you have the rotation of the earth, so gravity of earth, and that would...holds Earth together, and when it rotates you experience this acceleration on the edge of the Earth, and the gravity of the Earth. But when the Earth goes around the sun, there is gravitational force towards the center of the sun. So two gravitational forces produce this effect of acceleration and deceleration combination [?]
Guy: But, wouldn't that mean we're not at a constant velocity, so humans should feel the rotation of the Earth?
AP: [long pause] That is interesting.
Guy: It's an interesting one. The astrophysicist I met, he did a model showing that it should show acceleration and deceleration...you can even go on the ISS which is orbiting the Earth, and this should also be experiencing A&D due to the two constant motions, just like the fairground ride.
AP: Right. Well, uh...
Guy: Probably need some homework
AP: Yeah I need some thinking
Timestamped at the relevant question. He shows her the video of a carnival ride where people are rotating in a circle on a witch's hat, while the whole thing moves back and forth on a half pipe. You feel acceleration and deceleration as you move with, then against the half pipe path while circling on the witch's hat. It's probably easier just to watch the video, the ride is self explanatory and the effects obvious.
So the earth rotates at 1000 mph at the equator, and also moves 66,000 mph around the sun in an elliptical orbit, but no acceleration or deceleration resulting from the two constant speeds is apparent. She says "because gravity" basically:
Guy: Surely with the rotation of the earth, and because it's going around the sun at 66,000 mph, we'd be experiencing deceleration and acceleration...
Astrophysicist: So you want to include all of the velocities involved? Of the earth...
Guy: Just two, the earth's rotation on it's axis 1000 mph, and 66,000 mph around the sun. If you're on the edge of this sphere, like a human being, you would surely be experiencing acceleration and deceleration
AP: Yes, exactly.
Guy: How does astrophysics at your level explain that?
AP: Well it's gravitational forces. So one of rotational forces you have the rotation of the earth, so gravity of earth, and that would...holds Earth together, and when it rotates you experience this acceleration on the edge of the Earth, and the gravity of the Earth. But when the Earth goes around the sun, there is gravitational force towards the center of the sun. So two gravitational forces produce this effect of acceleration and deceleration combination [?]
Guy: But, wouldn't that mean we're not at a constant velocity, so humans should feel the rotation of the Earth?
AP: [long pause] That is interesting.
Guy: It's an interesting one. The astrophysicist I met, he did a model showing that it should show acceleration and deceleration...you can even go on the ISS which is orbiting the Earth, and this should also be experiencing A&D due to the two constant motions, just like the fairground ride.
AP: Right. Well, uh...
Guy: Probably need some homework
AP: Yeah I need some thinking
Nymphae
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I'm not interested in taking a course at this point in my life, it's just a side interest. I am trying to learn more about this stuff in my own time and I appreciate everyone's responses. I've taken physics like everyone else has, and I used to be quite fond of theoretical physics books for laymen, I've read some Greene, Kaku, Hawking, Asimov's science writings, some others I don't remember now. I'm interested in hearing intelligent people critique the globe criticisms of FE proponents. That interview I shared is pretty interesting in that regard I think, particularly near the end when she is incapable of even tackling the questions anymore.
greyshark
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I can't speak to why the physicist couldn't answer the question, but here's the explanation:
Can we feel the Earth spin? (Beginner) - Curious About Astronomy? Ask an Astronomer
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greyshark
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Are you questioning the 0.3% value? Centripetal acceleration of course has been experimentally verified - the equations to calculate the value in this example can be found here:
Does your weight change between the poles and the equator? (Intermediate) - Curious About Astronomy? Ask an Astronomer
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Nymphae
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I'm not questioning that the math checks out, I'm curious how this has been experimentally verified, specifically that something would weigh less at the equator than the poles.
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greyshark
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Looks like it has:
Gnome proves an amazing fact about Earth’s gravity.
Did you know the Earth's gravity varies, wherever you go? A gnome is travelling the world to measure the phenomenon. Check out the results and follow his progress.
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