The Brooklyn Brawler
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Come on it cant increase the budget that much to tie a video camera on to their machine and see what weird stuff they can film.
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Moon landing conspiracy and Flat Earth conspiracy theories go here and nowhere else
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Weilthain
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I don’t buy that for a second.
car.moon.live stream.1972
this video will get my point across that “no cameras in space” makes no damn sense, way better than my drunk ass can
The Brooklyn Brawler
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I'm annoyed that I'm starting to agree with you
The Brooklyn Brawler
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Even if it's just to annoy people
I like annoying people and this flat earth carry on has serious potential
I like annoying people and this flat earth carry on has serious potential
The Brooklyn Brawler
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The blue pill.
I've got 3 kids and work shifts. I need some sleep
I've got 3 kids and work shifts. I need some sleep
Nymphae
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I honestly don't understand how this is the case, perhaps you can show me some info that will enlighten me. And why not just take some pictures with Hubble? Some crazy high res shots of the moon landing sites would be very cool.
Rentahamster
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Is the American Flag Still on the Moon? Objects Astronauts Left Behind
Apollo astronauts left a lot of stuff behind on the moon. Can you see any of that from Earth, even with a telescope?
science.howstuffworks.com
Moon hoax: why not use telescopes to look at the landers?
In July 1969, Man first walked on the Moon. Over the course of three more years, we did it five more times.
Weilthain
Banned
I can’t get over how Israel and India both had missions to the moon recently, that orbited the earth for weeks getting further away from earth each orbit but didn’t take a single picture of the journey let alone video it.
I can’t get over the fact the basic bitches try to defend this nonsense. The little remote control robot that was supposed to come out once it had landed had cameras on it right?
anyone actually watch these events? I did it was the most pathetic thing ever. I can’t believe anyone could take it seriously. Propaganda at its finest. Not a single piece of real footage from space. Just simulation screens and cheap looking cgi.
how anyone can defend this stuff is a mystery. Yet they are so quick to hurl insults and question my intelligence for questioning it.
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Nymphae
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Is the American Flag Still on the Moon? Objects Astronauts Left Behind
Apollo astronauts left a lot of stuff behind on the moon. Can you see any of that from Earth, even with a telescope?
Moon hoax: why not use telescopes to look at the landers?
In July 1969, Man first walked on the Moon. Over the course of three more years, we did it five more times.slate.com
Ok, but "we can still see the things we left there" is not a super strong argument then if we can only see some blurry grey mounds.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Photos: New Views of Apollo Moon Landing Sites
See photos of NASA's historic Apollo moon landing sites of the late 1960s and early 1970s as seen by the Lunar Reconnaissance Obiter in lunar orbit today.
Those "blurry grey mounds" are exactly where they're supposed to be.
Nymphae
Banned
Photos: New Views of Apollo Moon Landing Sites
See photos of NASA's historic Apollo moon landing sites of the late 1960s and early 1970s as seen by the Lunar Reconnaissance Obiter in lunar orbit today.www.space.com
Those "blurry grey mounds" are exactly where they're supposed to be.
That isn't a photograph of the landing sites, and peoiple disingenuously argue the point like they can literally see the machinery with their own telescopes. It's grey mounds where they told us they went, show me pictures of the sites from before the landing without those mounds.
The Brooklyn Brawler
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strange headache
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I laud the attempt to keep this flat earth crap contained, but I'm afraid it will only keep rising to the top like the hot air of a foul fart, stinking up the off-topic section.
All you need to prove that our planet isn't flat are two sticks and a bit of distance. As already observed by Eratosthenes 2250 frikkin' years ago. He did so by comparing shadows cast on the day of the summer solstice in Alexandria and a more southern city in Egypt. At noon, when the sun was directly overhead in the southern city of Aswan (Syene), there were no shadows but in Alexandria, a stick set in the ground cast a shadow.
From this simple observation, Eratosthenes realized that if he knew the angle of the shadow and the distance between the cities, he could calculate the circumference of the globe. He calculated that the circumference of the Earth was about 40.000km, which still holds true today:
Flat Earth theory simply can not explain this!
You don't need fancy videos from space or whatever impossible requests flat-earthers demand in order to realize that Earth is spherical. You don't need to go to space, have continuous 24/7 4K video streams, camera tricks, plane trips, astronaut accounts or whatever bullshit they claim is necessary to utter and completely destroy flat Earth theories. All you need are two sticks and enough distance. It's sad to see that people from over 2.000 years ago were smart enough to figure this out, compared to nowadays where every idiot seems to rely on fake youtube conspiracy videos.
The sad thing is that no amount of scientific, empirical or mathematical evidence will be sufficient to make them realize their stupid ideas. Which is exactly why there's simply no need to even try, they will only reply with more senseless deflection in order to keep this topic afloat and satiate their delusions.
The simple reason why is because they rely on a simple fallacy called "epistemological contextualism" in order to shield themselves against any kind of argument, no matter how well argued it is. Yes, most of us didn't have the chance to go to space in order to personally witness our spherical planet, but that is not an argument even worth making. Have you personally witnessed atoms, visited antarctica, deduced the molecular composition of water or seen a picture of bosons? Of course not and you don't need to because that's not how the scientific method works.
The thing is, if you warp any given context strongly enough, anything becomes possible and that is the rational trickery that these flat-earther fools rely on. Context shifting is the name of their game and nothing else. You can say that 2m is tall for a human, but compared to a giraffe it's small. It all depends on the context and anytime you provide irrefutable proof that the Earth is round, they will simply shift to another context in order to defend their ridiculous ideas.
Their method is based on an infinitely relative argumentative regress:
These are the very good reasons why we shouldn't keep entertaining these fools.
All you need to prove that our planet isn't flat are two sticks and a bit of distance. As already observed by Eratosthenes 2250 frikkin' years ago. He did so by comparing shadows cast on the day of the summer solstice in Alexandria and a more southern city in Egypt. At noon, when the sun was directly overhead in the southern city of Aswan (Syene), there were no shadows but in Alexandria, a stick set in the ground cast a shadow.
From this simple observation, Eratosthenes realized that if he knew the angle of the shadow and the distance between the cities, he could calculate the circumference of the globe. He calculated that the circumference of the Earth was about 40.000km, which still holds true today:
Flat Earth theory simply can not explain this!
You don't need fancy videos from space or whatever impossible requests flat-earthers demand in order to realize that Earth is spherical. You don't need to go to space, have continuous 24/7 4K video streams, camera tricks, plane trips, astronaut accounts or whatever bullshit they claim is necessary to utter and completely destroy flat Earth theories. All you need are two sticks and enough distance. It's sad to see that people from over 2.000 years ago were smart enough to figure this out, compared to nowadays where every idiot seems to rely on fake youtube conspiracy videos.
The sad thing is that no amount of scientific, empirical or mathematical evidence will be sufficient to make them realize their stupid ideas. Which is exactly why there's simply no need to even try, they will only reply with more senseless deflection in order to keep this topic afloat and satiate their delusions.
The simple reason why is because they rely on a simple fallacy called "epistemological contextualism" in order to shield themselves against any kind of argument, no matter how well argued it is. Yes, most of us didn't have the chance to go to space in order to personally witness our spherical planet, but that is not an argument even worth making. Have you personally witnessed atoms, visited antarctica, deduced the molecular composition of water or seen a picture of bosons? Of course not and you don't need to because that's not how the scientific method works.
The thing is, if you warp any given context strongly enough, anything becomes possible and that is the rational trickery that these flat-earther fools rely on. Context shifting is the name of their game and nothing else. You can say that 2m is tall for a human, but compared to a giraffe it's small. It all depends on the context and anytime you provide irrefutable proof that the Earth is round, they will simply shift to another context in order to defend their ridiculous ideas.
Their method is based on an infinitely relative argumentative regress:
If you post a picture of our Earth, they require a video. > If you post a video, they want a continuous live-stream. > If you provide a live-stream they say it's too close to Earth. > If you provide a video from further away, they will say it's fake or cgi. etc, etc...
If you provide mathematical evidence, they will say it "space math" (as that would be somehow different from regular math). > If you provide empirical evidence, they will counter with a low budget sh*tty youtube video that's based on optical illusions and other fakeries. > If you bring up physics, they will say that gravity doesn't exist. > etc, etc...
People need to realize that this f*cking dumb trickery will never end and so their useless discussion keeps going ad absurdum. It's best to just ignore these fools and let this retarded sh*t fade into obscurity because everything else will onyl strengthen their delusions.If you provide mathematical evidence, they will say it "space math" (as that would be somehow different from regular math). > If you provide empirical evidence, they will counter with a low budget sh*tty youtube video that's based on optical illusions and other fakeries. > If you bring up physics, they will say that gravity doesn't exist. > etc, etc...
These are the very good reasons why we shouldn't keep entertaining these fools.
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strange headache
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sticks in ground 2000 years ago people.
you don’t want cameras in space. Go back to sleep
Yeah and with merely two simple sticks he managed to measure the circumference of our planet. Which is more than anything you will ever amount to.
strange headache
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No it won't and never will.
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Nymphae
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You can tell me what's wrong with the experiment once I find it for you.
strange headache
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Why should I?
You will never accept it and this discussion will just keep going on forever.
Just like I predicted.
Lupin3
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What missions? Please specify!
Nymphae
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Because you're here engaging with us? Ignore the thread and discussion if you don't care.
The Brooklyn Brawler
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Imagine that wee guy 2000 years ago thinking "they'll be talking about these sticks in the internet eventually"
DESTROYA
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Answers like this don’t really help your case. The simple dismissal of something proven using simple math and tools that the great Greek people mastered over 2000 years ago.sticks in ground 2000 years ago people.
you don’t want cameras in space. Go back to sleep
The Brooklyn Brawler
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Yeah those ancient greeks also violated young boys so they're not that great
Weilthain
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Yea that one is hard to argue against. I don’t have a great answer to it.
Weilthain
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I linked a video of the india one, it was very recent like the Israel one
DESTROYA
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Thats not exclusive to the ancient Greeks but I’m not derailing this thread for that comment .
The Brooklyn Brawler
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Israel........India.......
It's all countries beginning with "I" that are in on it. We've cracked it
I hear that Iceland have got an alien corpse and Ireland are setting up a leprechaun colony on the moon
It's all countries beginning with "I" that are in on it. We've cracked it
I hear that Iceland have got an alien corpse and Ireland are setting up a leprechaun colony on the moon
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Nymphae
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Here it is, high priest Tyson even starts the demonstration by saying this works on a flat earth model.
Lupin3
Targeting terrorists with a D-Pad
What was the Israel one?
strange headache
Banned
Did you even watch your own video?
"No flat Earth theory can explain the angle of all 3 shadows, but the spherical model explains it all." - Neil deGrasse Tyson
Weilthain
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Nymphae
Banned
Did you even watch your own video?
"No flat Earth theory can explain the angle of all 3 shadows, but the spherical model explains it all." - Neil deGrasse Tyson
You can literally see the shadow in the red X well, it's just closer to the center so the shadow is smaller. A well on the right at same distance as the far left one, would produce a symmetrical shadow.
The Brooklyn Brawler
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Me reading all the science posts
strange headache
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You fail to take into account that the well the far right "red X" is wrongly tilted for the shadow to fall like that. Hence why it's wrong.
Also, you are aware that this is merely a graphical representation, right?
What matters is that flat earth theory cannot explain this observable phenomenon, as correctly stated by Tyson.
Your video is bunk.
EDIT: You can "lol" react all you like
Nymphae
, it won't change the fact that Eratosthenes is still right.
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Nymphae
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"We can't see the bottom of both wells at the same time. What might explain this? There are 2 possible explanations. First, we could have a flat earth, with a sun that's small and close by so that the light hits the second well at an angle."
If the one on the left is having that shadow produced, a well over to the right at the same distance from the light source would produce the same shadow, symmetrically.
The Brooklyn Brawler
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Happy birthday sir, long may you continue to amuse and terrify me in equal measures
Rentahamster
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Yeah it is, it's from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter .
Okay.
Here's the Apollo 11 landing site from the scouting pics taken by one of the first Lunar Orbiters.
Here's the landing site in better detail from a newer orbiter 40 years later.
Apollo 11 Moon Landing Site Seen in Unprecedented Detail
NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter captured its best view yet of the Apollo 11 landing site on the moon.
strange headache
Banned
So we need 3 sticks instead of 2 in order to completely refute flat earth theory.
That's fine by me.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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atmosphere, for earth. I think Neil De Grass has said stars would be visible even during the day in space.
the flat earth claim is the iss is a high altitude plane or drone. But I think it is in orbit. Though if rockets have 2~% failure rate it is ridiculous having astronauts fly up there again and again, it is fated for disaster sooner or later.
Can astronauts see stars from the space station?
I've often been asked the question, "Can the astronauts on the Space Station see the stars?" Astronaut Jack Fischer provides an unequivocal answer of "yes!" with a recent post on Twitter of a timelapse he took from the ISS. Fischer captured the arc of the Milky Way in all its glory, saying it...phys.org
This is also amazing:
Note that you can only see the stars when you're on the night side of the Earth. When you're on the daylight side, it's too bright to see the stars. Basic photography knowledge.
on photographs, but supposedly you can see them with the naked eye all the time outside earth's atmosphere.
I think this question from a seemingly reputable source, suggests you need to assume distant sun for erathostene's proof to work.
Assuming that the sunlight comes from a very long distance away, Eratosthenes experiment can be the basis to prove that:a) the Earth is a sphereb) the Earth is not flat c) the Earth rotates around itselfd) the Earth rotates around the sun- Ellinogermaniki Agogi have authored the official schoolbooks for Science in the 5th and 6th Grade of Primary School, and for German in High School.
http://eratosthenes.ea.gr/sites/default/files/Eratosthenes Knowledge Questions EN_0.pdf
He states:Did you even watch your own video?
"No flat Earth theory can explain the angle of all 3 shadows, but the spherical model explains it all." - Neil deGrasse Tyson
With just two wells both explanations work, erathostenes only had two wells.
unmanned robots could have left those marks.Yeah it is, it's from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter .
Okay.
Here's the Apollo 11 landing site from the scouting pics taken by one of the first Lunar Orbiters.
Here's the landing site in better detail from a newer orbiter 40 years later.
Apollo 11 Moon Landing Site Seen in Unprecedented Detail
NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter captured its best view yet of the Apollo 11 landing site on the moon.www.space.com
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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Well they're carrying out 'experiments', if they never do the 3 well experiment their gig is up. Also someone is bound to do the 3 well experiment, if it hasn't been done yet.
bitbydeath
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Debunked.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Banned
the flat earth claim is fisheye lens.
I think there is curvature at such heights but much less extreme.
Lupin3
Targeting terrorists with a D-Pad
Why are you complaining about a mission not taking photos, and then linking to a source that shows photos of the mission?
bitbydeath
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strange headache
Banned
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Banned
earlier in the video it looks quite curved. the earth is much bigger than that curve at that height suggests.
I've seen curvature from other high altitude balloons, and the curve is much subtler.
Well the flat earthers claim to be looking for truth and doing experiments. If they're lying they won't touch this one with a ten foot pole. IF not they'll show they are obviously mistaken. Even if flat earthers don't someone doing debunking will.
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