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Movies You've Seen Recently |OT| July 2017

smisk

Member
Only saw 4 new movies in June ;_; Promise I'll do better this month.

1. Everybody Wants Some!!
2. Baby Driver
3. La La Land
4. Wonder Woman

Top 5 of 2017
1. Logan
2. Get Out
3. Baby Driver
4. John Wick: Chapter 2
5. Wonder Woman
 
@Clown: The real problem with that shot of Indy standing before an mushroom cloud is that the next shot isn't him dying of severe radiation poisoning, which he definitely would at that distance.
Which goes into the rest of it too: Indy was always ludicrous, but never full-on breaking the rules of physics without some rule attached to it. Or ritual, in Temple Of Doom. Crystal Skull however, doesn't give a rat's ass about physics in pretty much everything it does, which is really not in the same spirit as the original movies and the primary source of why people hate it, I think, because that's kind of why I hate it. Though more in a 'hated to disappointed by it' way.

It's actually interesting to note that the problem with these 'three decades too late reboots' is that they passed the point of no return a good while ago, whereas Marvel's comic book movies are about to go through a 'must reboot or die' phase. It's going to be interesting to see if they can actually do the impossible trick of surviving the passage of time, since people tend to lose their fancy for a genre after a decade.
 

Mi goreng

Member
4 Days until the MIFF (Melbourne) lineup is revealed. I see they've updated their main page with 'Cannes we see you' and all of the films which is exciting. I'll be booking a ticket to see Yorgos Lanthimos' The Killing of a Sacred Dear and also possibly Good Time, Takashi Miike's Blade of the Immortal and Haneke's Happy End. It's time for a:
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@Clown: The real problem with that shot of Indy standing before an mushroom cloud is that the next shot isn't him dying of severe radiation poisoning, which he definitely would at that distance.
Which goes into the rest of it too: Indy was always ludicrous, but never full-on breaking the rules of physics without some rule attached to it. Or ritual, in Temple Of Doom. Crystal Skull however, doesn't give a rat's ass about physics in pretty much everything it does, which is really not in the same spirit as the original movies and the primary source of why people hate it, I think, because that's kind of why I hate it. Though more in a 'hated to disappointed by it' way.

It's actually interesting to note that the problem with these 'three decades too late reboots' is that they passed the point of no return a good while ago, whereas Marvel's comic book movies are about to go through a 'must reboot or die' phase. It's going to be interesting to see if they can actually do the impossible trick of surviving the passage of time, since people tend to lose their fancy for a genre after a decade.

Doesn't Indy survive falling out of an airplane in Temple of Doom by hitching a ride on a raft? I'd say that's probably questionable physics...and if you really wanna nerd out, there was recent study collected from data on Japanese survivors of the atomic bomb that suggest that radiation from fallout isn't nearly as deadly as people have believed, plus that lead lined fridge absorbed most of it ;). If anything about the nuke killed him it would have been the concussive blast or oxygen depletion/heatwave.

But I'm not denying it's silly and unrealistic on the level of realism, but I'm arguing that the narrative content that imagery holds is worth the trade off of "realism".
 
I was thinking of doing a 2017 in movies so far thread, but I feel like it would be ~5 titles being repeated and nothing really interesting would come from it so I decided against it.

Yeah I think we discuss it in here anyway. Seems like 4 of the 5 will be standard, with some folks throwing in some curve balls here and there.

I guess a "other than Logan, Wonder Woman, Baby Driver, Get Out & John Wick 2, name your 5 top 2017 movies."

Edit - re: Indy and the nuke, there's the story of that one guy who survived BOTH Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 

ActWan

Member
Spiderman Homecoming - 6.5/10

Fine film. A very good Spiderman movie, and amongst the best superhero films in recent years...
Humor was mostly good, a lot of corny stuff though, but it was a fun movie - nothing more.
The villain was menacing (but I didn't really like his origin story) and the action scenes were a bit too dark and messy with too many cuts.
Oh, and it was too long
 
Good Time looks dope, I've been a fan of Robert Pattinson since he broke out of the Twilight shit. Him and Kristen Stewart have done a good job of distancing themselves from that kind of stuff and carving a career in indie movies.

Collosal

this was fun. Anne Hathaway and Jason Sudeikis do some fine work in here. I don't really wanna spoil where the story goes but Sudeikis plays one of the biggest assholes of the year. There's something about these funny guys that makes for playing petty really well when theyre asked to. It's novel making a monster movie where the crux of the plot is on
an alcoholic wastegirl sorting out her issues, and the clingy men who latch onto her

having Anne control the monster's movements makes for some funny images too, particularly when the monster is engaging in human behaviors and mannerisms.

anyways best movies of 2017 for me so far:
1. Baby Driver
2. Logan
3. Split
4. I dont feel at home in this world anymore
5. Get Out
6. Okja
7. John Wick 2
8. It Comes at Night
9. Wonder Woman
10. Colossal

still have to check out Lost City of Z soon.
 

Mi goreng

Member
Good Time looks dope, I've been a fan of Robert Pattinson since he broke out of the Twilight shit. Him and Kristen Stewart have done a good job of distancing themselves from that kind of stuff and carving a career in indie movies.

Ye man, Haven't seen the two filmmakers previous film but the trailer did its job + Oneohtrix Point Never did the OST and won the Best Soundtrack award at Cannes for it. I'm pumped. Pattinson and KS seem to be tearing up the indiesphere which made me do a 180 also.


Best of 2017 so far:

I've seen next to nothing but here goes
I Don't Feel at Home in This World Anymore
Logan
was aight
T2 Trainspotting
Split


Mediocre:
Alien
Kong
Ghost In the Shell


Terriblol
Girlfriend's Day
Life


Also, i've set up Plex recently and i'm loving it. It's like Netflix but you curate your own content. Any other Plex users in here? Beautiful Posters:
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Why is Split listed on so many 2017 lists? I thought it came out in 2016? Or was it only in limited release in 2016.

I think I might have asked this question before.

I am old and forgetful.
 
Here Alone (2016) - except not really alone. A post-apocalyptic story of a woman bearing the brunt of being left alone in the world. When the shit hits the fan, her husband takes her and their infant daughter to the woods to do some survivin'. We see her struggles with survival and see her in flashbacks learning what she can from her hubby. She later encounters a couple of other survivors, a man and his step-daughter, and that's where the conflict comes in.

Overall it's a decent story, with the flashbacks weaving in what happened to her family and why she's set on staying where she is. It also explains why she makes a certain decision at the end of the movie.

But this was sloooooow and mostly booooooring as fuck. Attempts to be artsy with the various long pauses in dialog. That didn't make the dialog any more dramatic.

2.5 / 5. I think maybe 75 minutes in I would have given it a 2 / 5 but the last 20 actually did a decent job of completing her story in a meaningful way.
 

Icolin

Banned
Why is Split listed on so many 2017 lists? I thought it came out in 2016? Or was it only in limited release in 2016.

I think I might have asked this question before.

I am old and forgetful.

Premiered at festivals in 2016, but actually released in January 2017.
 
Premiered at festivals in 2016, but actually released in January 2017.

Hmmm... in which case, my 2017 list would look like this:

1. Logan
2. Baby Driver
3. Kong: Skull Island
4. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2
5. John Wick 2
6. Split
7. Wonder Woman
8. Life
9. Beauty and the Beast
 

Icolin

Banned
Hmmm... in which case, my 2017 list would look like this:

1. Logan
2. Baby Driver
3. Kong: Skull Island
4. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2
5. John Wick 2
6. Split
7. Wonder Woman
8. Life
9. Beauty and the Beast

I can only hope that this doesn't remain in your list at the end of the year, lol. Movie sucked.
 

Icolin

Banned
The Act of Killing

That was hard to watch, and I mean that in the best way possible. Disturbing and weird as fuck, and harrowing. Really really loved it.

And the ending was perfect.
 
I saw a few movies for the first time over the long weekend.

John Wick
John Wick Chapter 2
Burn After Reading
Revolver

I was disappointed in the last one, Burn After Reading was kind of good, kind of ho hum (I think the funniest parts were inside the CIA building as the higher ups tried to make sense of things), but I really enjoyed the Wick movies even though the phrase "gun porn" certainly applies.
 
I can only hope that this doesn't remain in your list at the end of the year, lol. Movie sucked.
While I don't think it sucked, you'll notice it is 9 out of 9. So in some sense, it is last place of the new movies I've seen this year.

But also note I haven't seen The Mummy, Alien: Covenant, PotC or King Arthur yet.

nah beauty and the beast 2017 was better than the original

What is this. I don't even. Da fuq.

Ban worthy, Jesus.

This.
 
Anyone who knows me knows I'm a big Spider-Man fan. Apart from stuff like thomas the tank engine, spider-man is the first fictional character I remember consciously liking. I've read the comics, watched the tv shows, played the games, seen the previous films, I know my Spider-Man, and nothing makes me more annoyed than a bad portryal of one of my favourite fictional characters, like Spider-Man 3 and the soulless amazing spider-man films.

So I was somewhere between nervous and excited when seeing Spider-Man Homecoming. I was pretty sure Marvel wouldn't mess it up to the extent of amazing spider-man 2 of course, but how would it fare next to the excellent two Sam Raimi Spider-Man films? How would Tom Holland's Spider-Man do in a whole film, as opposed to his excellent scene stealing cameo in civil war?

I'm ecstatic then (and not really surprised) that Spider-Man Homecoming isn't just a fantastic film, the best MCU film to date, one of the best films I've seen all year, it is the spider-man film far as I'm concerned. It doesn't invaldiate the Raimi films per se, because Marvel and Jon Watts as director went for a completely different look, tone, and feel with Homecoming than Raimi did, but this is the definitive Spider-Man film, the first one if you will.

How? Well for one, apart from The Kingpin and Loki, Michael Keaton as The Vulture is best villain the MCU has had to date, appropiately threatening, doesn't drop off in threat or scale in the third act, but also with enough humanity and understandable motivations that it feels like a fully rounded character, as opposed to say, a drone army.

Tom Holland is a perfect Peter Parker for this role, if not exactly the original (outdated) 1960s Parker. He's naive and optimistic about being a superhero and wanting to swing into action, and brings the weight and emotional heft neccesary to convey how it feels to screw up on a big scale because hey, teenage superhero. He also plays a great teenager with super powers in the Parker role, desperately wanting to find a place for himself in the world, yet having no idea what that might be.

The supporting cast of teenagers is excellent if begging to be a little more fleshed out, which I'm sure they'll do in the next film. I didn't know Zendaya as a sarcastic hipster MJ was a thing I wanted till I saw it, but now I want even more of it. Peter's best friend Ned (stolen from Miles Morales story in the comics technically I know) is excellent, and never overdone, and I can't wait to see more of him.

RDJ's Tony Stark isn't in the film very much, and it's definitely the right decision, as this is definitely Spider-Man/Peter Parker's story through and through.

The film is on a small scale with relatively small, very well done action, and it portrays inexperienced Spider-Man at the beginning of his webslinging fighting career very well, which lends to the action scene. Tom Holland also portrays the stress and pain of fighting very well, and gives the action a whole lot of gravitas. The film is also extremely self contained incidentally, more so than any other MCU film since Iron Man or maybe Ant-Man, and wisely restrains itself from setting up anything except its own corner of the world and characters.

And it looks great. I thought so anyway. Great looking spider-suit, great looking vulture, realistic dressing teenagers (very diverse too, unlike Raimi's shtick) great looking action scenes.

So yeah, its the definitive spider-man film far as I'm concerned. Loved it.
 

jett

D-Member
Someone recommend me some actually great 2017 movies. The last great movie I watched was probably The Handmaiden.

Tired of watching the mediocrity Hollywood shits out. Please don't recommend me a single of the so-called "blockbusters."
 

Icolin

Banned
Someone recommend me some actually great 2017 movies. The last great movie I watched was probably The Handmaiden.

Tired of watching the mediocrity Hollywood shits out. Please don't recommend me a single of the so-called "blockbusters."

It Comes At Night is dope, although that's still Hollywood I guess.
 
Someone recommend me some actually great 2017 movies. The last great movie I watched was probably The Handmaiden.

Tired of watching the mediocrity Hollywood shits out. Please don't recommend me a single of the so-called "blockbusters."
There aren't any. Logan is a great superhero movie but it's still only an average movie movie.
 
Someone recommend me some actually great 2017 movies. The last great movie I watched was probably The Handmaiden.

Tired of watching the mediocrity Hollywood shits out. Please don't recommend me a single of the so-called "blockbusters."

Some of my favorites so far this year:

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Window Horses, or the Poetic Persian Epiphany of Rosie Ming - An animated film about an Asian-Canadian girl who travels to a poetry festival in Iran and learns all about life and love and her family's secret past. Don McKellar spends 90 minutes pretending he's German.

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The Death of Louis XIV - A film depicting the final days of the Sun King, as portrayed by French acting legend Jean-Pierre Léaud. Brilliantly layered and darkly funny. The closing line is one for the history books.

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Obit - One of the most surprisingly entertaining films I've seen this year: A documentary about obituary writers for the New York Times. Go figure! A surprisingly cathartic experience, too, as it tackles some of the big celebrity deaths of recent years.

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Personal Shopper - Kirsten Stewart spends half the movie staring at her phone and exchanging text messages with a ghost. Maybe. Maybe not. The best part about Olivier Assayas is that you never knew where he's going next, but he commits fully to every wayward idea.

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The Salesman - This is minor Farhadi, but it still showcases everything that makes him a great filmmaker, his thorny and intricate plotting, socio-political and moral themes, and his overriding sense of empathy. It's as good an antidote as any for Hollywood blockbusters.

Also, two films that feel like they are cut from a blockbuster mold, and are a good alternative to Hollywood specifically, are Your Name. and Okja. The latter, in particular, for its willingness to explore a variety of emotions, and go to some (necessary) dark and uncomfortable places. I don't think it's a great film, and it stumbles on its way to the ending, but I admire what it's trying to do and it exemplifies the kind of blockbuster filmmaking and ambition I wish we'd see more.
 
Someone recommend me some actually great 2017 movies. The last great movie I watched was probably The Handmaiden.

Tired of watching the mediocrity Hollywood shits out. Please don't recommend me a single of the so-called "blockbusters."

You might not like it tho but baby driver the best movie of the year. And may just end up staying that way or at least top 5 by the end of the year
 

Borgnine

MBA in pussy licensing and rights management
Someone recommend me some actually great 2017 movies. The last great movie I watched was probably The Handmaiden.

Pretty tall order in July, breh.

Logan is the best 2017 movie I've seen so far.
 
4 Days until the MIFF (Melbourne) lineup is revealed. I see they've updated their main page with 'Cannes we see you' and all of the films which is exciting. I'll be booking a ticket to see Yorgos Lanthimos' The Killing of a Sacred Dear and also possibly Good Time, Takashi Miike's Blade of the Immortal and Haneke's Happy End. It's time for a:
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Ahhhh I'm jealous, those are all super anticipated for me! I loved Heaven Knows What, so can't wait to see Good Time.
 

Icolin

Banned
You might not like it tho but baby driver the best movie of the year. And may just end up staying that way or at least top 5 by the end of the year

I cosign this opinion. With more rewatches, I might like it even more than the Cornetto Trilogy and Scott Pilgrim.
 
Blackbeard's Ghost: This is one of those cute live-action Disney movies from the '60s. The best part of this is Peter Ustinov as Blackbeard (You may also know him as Prince John from the animated Robin Hood) because of his overacting. He's rambunctious and fun to watch. interesting enough, despite being a ghost, he can physically interact with objects in the real world, though no one really seems to notice or ask what the heck is going on. If you've seen Angels in the Outfield, you can also see where this movie is going with Blackbeard trying to do a good deed, and main character Steve dealing with a failing sports team. It's worth checking out.
 
The Act of Killing

That was hard to watch, and I mean that in the best way possible. Disturbing and weird as fuck, and harrowing. Really really loved it.

And the ending was perfect.

Check out the sequel, The Look of Silence, it's just as good!

Someone recommend me some actually great 2017 movies. The last great movie I watched was probably The Handmaiden.

Tired of watching the mediocrity Hollywood shits out. Please don't recommend me a single of the so-called "blockbusters."

Get Out and Personal Shopper were the only films of note I've seen this year so far...
 
Interesting seeing some people go to bat for I Don't Feel At Home In This World Anymore as the best of the year. I honestly didn't see it much more than a vigilante revenge movie, like I think Super's more interesting than it for this sub-genre. If this didn't have the Blue Ruin connection, I don't think there'd be much talk about it. It's nicely shot, I'll give it that. It's worth seeing to see Melanie Lynskey getting to be an action hero, Jane Levy be a villain, and Elijah Wood being a goof. It gets to be fun in the last half hour, but I didn't find anything deeper to stick in my head since I watched it.
 
I forgot to do my recap for the month so

Best new movie of June: Jafar Panahi's The White Balloon
Best rewatch of June: David Lynch's Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me
Worst movie of June: Ridley Scott's Alien: Covenant

First review(s) of July (Okja is actually the last movie I saw in June):

Okja (7/10) - I loved the opening scenes of this. Bong's direction of CGI characters is once again impressive. Mija and Okja's relationship is beautifully drawn, and watching all the different ways Okja interacts with her surroundings (and with Mija) was delightful. I admire where Bong takes this story, but I had a lot of problems with many of the decisions he made to get there. Swinton and Gyllenhaal are getting called out for their performances. I didn't mind Swinton. I found there are bigger problems with the characters as written. Especially Gyllenhaal's TV wildlife expert, whose involvement in the plot is nonsensical. There's also a lot of clunky exposition. The final shot is a brilliant echo of the opening scenes and a memorable conclusion, fraught with conflicting emotions. I wasn't blown away, but I think Bong is on the right path here, just as he was with The Host. These are the kind of movies I want summer blockbusters to resemble more.

Baby Driver (5.5/10) - My knee-jerk reaction is that this is Wright's worst film. I grooved hard to the first act, the car chases and the soundtrack and the cuts hitting the beat, but it unraveled quickly after that. The last act just about had me doing a 180, as I thought it was borderline garbage. I liked what Wright was doing enough here with sound and editing to want to give Baby Driver another shot with a pair of headphones, but on my first viewing, the novelty of the style wore off quickly and the script was frustratingly dull.

These were probably the two films I was looking forward to the most this summer, and they both were somewhat disappointing. Had similar reactions as they both started great, but then lost me in the second half. I am a victim of my own hype machine. :(
 

Sean C

Member
Hot Fuzz (2007): Moving backwards through the three Edgar Wright films that I hadn't seen before, this is a terrific cop movie parody. At certain points the parodic shootouts reminded me of what Wes Anderson was trying to do in The Life Aquatic, but this is a lot more pointed as a genre parody.
 

Mi goreng

Member
Interesting seeing some people go to bat for I Don't Feel At Home In This World Anymore as the best of the year. I honestly didn't see it much more than a vigilante revenge movie, like I think Super's more interesting than it for this sub-genre. If this didn't have the Blue Ruin connection, I don't think there'd be much talk about it. It's nicely shot, I'll give it that. It's worth seeing to see Melanie Lynskey getting to be an action hero, Jane Levy be a villain, and Elijah Wood being a goof. It gets to be fun in the last half hour, but I didn't find anything deeper to stick in my head since I watched it.

I can see where you're coming from. It looks like a pretty straightforward indie thriller underneath and I think that the surprise is that is what it is. Not that I think this works often but I see it being self aware and that it's not trying to reinvent the wheel but oozes charm with its oddball characters and potent scenarios. The whole point of it is to be simple, small scale and no more than what is. Macon Blair is an interesting looking dude, was great in Blue Ruin and Green Room, had been observant of Saulniers style and applied some of it here while also making his own thing. That being said, I think Green Room may be a better rewatch than this. Also 2017 has been lacking for me so far. Bring on MIFF! :D
 

UrbanRats

Member
Interesting seeing some people go to bat for I Don't Feel At Home In This World Anymore as the best of the year. I honestly didn't see it much more than a vigilante revenge movie, like I think Super's more interesting than it for this sub-genre. If this didn't have the Blue Ruin connection, I don't think there'd be much talk about it. It's nicely shot, I'll give it that. It's worth seeing to see Melanie Lynskey getting to be an action hero, Jane Levy be a villain, and Elijah Wood being a goof. It gets to be fun in the last half hour, but I didn't find anything deeper to stick in my head since I watched it.

Wat? It's a cute movie, nothing more.
 
Anyone know when Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 hits VOD or Blu-ray? Googled that shit but the best I'm finding is "TBA: August".

Missed it in theaters so would like to know!

War of the Planet of the Apes hits the cinema next week (UK), and there's no way in hell I'm missing that. Seeing it Friday of next week, and super excited for it.
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
Someone recommend me some actually great 2017 movies. The last great movie I watched was probably The Handmaiden.

Tired of watching the mediocrity Hollywood shits out. Please don't recommend me a single of the so-called "blockbusters."
Call Me By Your Name, Good Time, The Other Side of Hope and Baby Driver are my favourites of the year.
 

Icolin

Banned
Spider-Man Homecoming

WHEW...this movie is fantastic. It's all I could've hoped for; comparatively small(er) scale, high school plot lines, and great action. Loved the Iron Man parts, and The Vulture was a great villain.

The trailers for this movie weren't very good, but I can assure anyone still on the fence about watching this that it's much, much better than the trailers would have you believe it is.

I'd still put Spider-Man 2 over this as the best Spider-Man movie, but I can see that changing in the future with subsequent viewings. Loved it.
 
Honeymoon (2014) - creepy-assed movie of a couple headed to a cabin in the woods for they honeymoon. The wife is none other than Mrs. Jon Snow. Shit goes sideways and there's a decent stretch of where the story leaves you wondering whether either the wife is whack-a-doodle or if it's the hubby who's lost his marbles. Solid movie with decent intensity, nicely shot, well-acted, save for maybe some overly dramatic scenes that felt like they could have been clipped or toned down a bit.

3.5 / 5

Man Up (2015) - only got about 15 minutes into this before the wife and I decided to turn it off. Lake Bell is awkward and pretty much unlikable in the opening. We were interrupted in the viewing by our kids getting home from a party and mutually decided not to return to it. Not sure I'll go back to it.

Edit - Tickets for Spiderman: Homecoming lined up for tomorrow afternoon. Hoping I'm not there with 60 little kids who can't keep their yappity traps shut.
 

overcast

Member
Anyone else find it easy to miss out on movies exclusively on Netflix?

Haven't seen I Don't feel at home or Okja despite being hyped
 
Anyone else find it easy to miss out on movies exclusively on Netflix?

Haven't seen I Don't feel at home or Okja despite being hyped

Yeah, it's easy for them to go straight to the never ending cue and not be seen again. I still haven't seen Beasts of No Nation.

Definitely gonna make time for Okja though.
 

Sean C

Member
Shaun of the Dead (2004): Completing my journey backwards through the Edgar Wright filmography that, until this year, I'd only seen one entry in. I've talked at points about the lack of well-developed female roles in most of his films outside of Scott Pilgrim, which is an adaptation; weirdly, this, his first film, turns out to be easily the best of his original works in that regard. It's also the only one of the Cornetto Trilogy where it doesn't feel wholly centered on Pegg and Frost, since Kate Ashfield's Liz is a meaningful part of the climax.
 

robotrock

Banned
Hot Fuzz (2007): Moving backwards through the three Edgar Wright films that I hadn't seen before, this is a terrific cop movie parody. At certain points the parodic shootouts reminded me of what Wes Anderson was trying to do in The Life Aquatic, but this is a lot more pointed as a genre parody.

Watch it again for good measure
 
Anyone else find it easy to miss out on movies exclusively on Netflix?

Haven't seen I Don't feel at home or Okja despite being hyped

Saw Beasts a couple months ago. It's very good. I agree with Fancy, though, that a lot of this stuff just winds up in the queue.

I put Okja on my list after seeing the trailer. I'm not 100% sold yet though. I'm not sure I have any interest in "I Don't Feel At Home..." though.
 
Wallace and Gromit: A Matter of Loaf & Death: Not sure if this fits here since it's a short film, but the franchise is still great even 13 years after A Close Shave (though there is The Curse of the Were-Rabbit). Plenty of great gags, and they know how to make a climax for these shorts. Worth adding to the library.
 

overcast

Member
I'm going on a 12 hour flight in about a week. What Netflix/Amazon movie do you think I can get away with watching on my shitty phone? I was thinking of renting one or just maybe going for I Don't Feel At Hoke (not Okja cause that's probably gorgeous).

Don't judge me pls.
 
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