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[TrebleShot]

Embarassingly bad and late to the market, get SD OLED instead of this trash and any other PC handheld running windows trash.

 

[Celine]

Stop it with the asymmetrical sticks and the pointless RGB crap.

They are all looking at the trend-setter.

 

[lh032]

I thought I saw "MS"

I was like.

 

[Senua]

Embarassingly bad and late to the market, get SD OLED instead of this trash and any other PC handheld running windows trash.

Trash is rather hyperbolic

 

[FingerBang]

Can't wait to see another handheld with the same performance (or worse), a ton of useless features and without goddamn VRR.

The ROG Ally remains unbeatable

 

[TrebleShot]

Trash is rather hyperbolic

Nah. ive had them all mate, they are trash, utter gutter level experiences.

 

[Holammer]

MSI CLAW gaming handheld leaked, features Intel Core Ultra 7 155H with Arc graphics and 32GB memory - VideoCardz.com

MSI handheld leaked MSI to compete with ASUS and Lenovo with a brand-new handheld. MSI CLAW, Source: @wnxod Less than 24 hours since MSI’s first teaser on social media and we now have a picture, name, and full specs of the upcoming device. This gaming handheld is called CLAW, and it will be...

videocardz.com

 

[diffusionx]

I don't understand why anyone who wants a handheld PC would buy anything but the Steam Deck, especially with the OLED. Yea, they offer somewhat better performance but at tremendous costs in battery and usability. If anyone expects MSI to make a better device than Asus or Lenovo, lol.

 

[Xyphie]

I really hope one of these handhelds normalizes eGPUs eventually. The CPUs in all these handhelds (except the Steam Deck) is really good enough to replace a mainstream gaming computer with e.g. a R5 7600/14600K if only you had access to a external GPU. Would be a huge win for handheld/laptop gaming.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Up to 32 Gig of memory?
This reminds me of China phone makers putting obscene amounts of memory in their cell phones because more is better in marketing.
Memory prices shot up because of this waste. The phones were not even using it.

 

[CherryFalls]

I don't understand why anyone who wants a handheld PC would buy anything but the Steam Deck,

Eh I don’t know why any would buy a steam deck

It’s very underpowered compared to the competition

Has limited os- can’t use it as a windows tablet

Has very limited game compatibility, not every steam game is compatible, let alone can’t use your uplay/origin/gog/epic games

 

[BennyBlanco]

Kinda ugly imo

 

[Shakka43]

Eh I don’t know why any would buy a steam deck

It’s very underpowered compared to the competition

Has limited os- can’t use it as a windows tablet

Has very limited game compatibility, not every steam game is compatible, let alone can’t use your uplay/origin/gog/epic games

You can.

About the asymmetrical sticks, as a symmetry advocate for controllers I actually think asymmetrical works better for big handhelds like these, unless they go for a uniform style like the Steam Deck. For smaller handhelds like Switch and below I would go for symmetrical all the way.

 

[Topher]

Kinda ugly imo

Details on the processor:

Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 Processor 155H (24M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 Processor 155H (24M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

www.intel.com

Eh I don’t know why any would buy a steam deck

It’s very underpowered compared to the competition

Has limited os- can’t use it as a windows tablet

Has very limited game compatibility, not every steam game is compatible, let alone can’t use your uplay/origin/gog/epic games

That extra power comes at the cost of battery life. I had the Rog Ally and yes, it is more powerful, but I basically had an hour of gameplay at a time. Not ideal.

Linux is not a limited OS. Why in the world would anyone use a gaming handheld as a tablet? Just buy a tablet.

As Shakka43 pointed out, you are wrong about not being able to play games from other launchers. The exception is games from the Windows store and Game Pass. You would have to use streaming for those, which you can. But most are going to be playing games from the Steam library and that works very well.

 

[Dorfdad]

Someone needs to up the game. Seems each of these systems are just small improvements. The only benefit of this system is 32gb ram. The intel processor probably isn’t as efficient as the AMD cpus and the gpu is going to be hampering probably.

 

[Topher]

Nah. ive had them all mate, they are trash, utter gutter level experiences.

Explain what you mean by "gutter level experience". Just saying they are "trash" doesn't really mean much.

Someone needs to up the game. Seems each of these systems are just small improvements. The only benefit of this system is 32gb ram. The intel processor probably isn’t as efficient as the AMD cpus and the gpu is going to be hampering probably.

Isn't 32 GB RAM overkill for a handheld?

 

[Gamezone]

I don't understand why anyone who wants a handheld PC would buy anything but the Steam Deck, especially with the OLED. Yea, they offer somewhat better performance but at tremendous costs in battery and usability. If anyone expects MSI to make a better device than Asus or Lenovo, lol.

Probably, but the Steam isn't being sold here, and is weaker than the Z1 Extreme.

 

[diffusionx]

Probably, but the Steam isn't being sold here, and is weaker than the Z1 Extreme.

not sure why people are coming at me with “but muh power” when I addressed that in my post. If you want power buy a laptop or a desktop. By getting marginally more power with one of these other devices you’re getting a worse handheld experience, dodgy software like the armor crate shit, using an OS that is not designed for this form factor, etc. as a handheld device, Steam Deck is just unquestionably superior and Valve/community is putting a lot of resources into it, software, compatibility, etc. it’s just a much better handheld device.

 

[BlackTron]

Wake me for Steam Deck 2

 

[Topher]

Probably, but the Steam isn't being sold here, and is weaker than the Z1 Extreme.

Power has been addressed, but yeah.....if it ain't available in Norway then your options are limited to the Windows handhelds. Personally, I'm looking forward to Valve releasing Steam OS for other manufacturers to use. Would be nice if companies like Asus, MSI and Lenovo offered either Steam or Windows as a choice.

 

[McRazzle]

It has Intel's AI upscaling Xess.
I think this could be a game changer if it can connect to a monitor/tv.

 

[dorkimoe]

another product that will be dead in 6 months

 

[Gamezone]

Power has been addressed, but yeah.....if it ain't available in Norway then your options are limited to the Windows handhelds. Personally, I'm looking forward to Valve releasing Steam OS for other manufacturers to use. Would be nice if companies like Asus, MSI and Lenovo offered either Steam or Windows as a choice.

But how do Power intend to replace parts on these things?

 

[Dorfdad]

Explain what you mean by "gutter level experience". Just saying they are "trash" doesn't really mean much.



Isn't 32 GB RAM overkill for a handheld?

Not if your maxing out the gpu with 8 or more gb for ram! Most handhelds start at 4gb which hampers the gpu in modern games.

 

[Topher]

But how do Power intend to replace parts on these things?

I don't understand your question

 

[Topher]

They are all looking at the trend-setter.

Switch didn't set the trend of asymmetrical thumbsticks

 

[Zathalus]

Switch didn't set the trend of asymmetrical thumbsticks

GameCube did!

 

[Zathalus]

Asymmetrical vs symmetrical is a silly argument anyway. Symmetrical is obviously superior, just not on PlayStation. Wii U did it best, the sticks both need to be at the top. Steam Deck gets this right as well.

 

[Topher]

Asymmetrical vs symmetrical is a silly argument anyway. Symmetrical is obviously superior, just not on PlayStation. Wii U did it best, the sticks both need to be at the top. Steam Deck gets this right as well.

I move between symmetrical and asymmetrical between Xbox controller -> Dualsense -> 8bitdo Ultimate -> Steam Deck all the time and never blink an eye. I don't think any are "obviously superior". Some just prefer one layout over the other.

 

[Calverz]

I move between symmetrical and asymmetrical between Xbox controller -> Dualsense -> 8bitdo Ultimate -> Steam Deck all the time and never blink an eye. I don't think any are "obviously superior". Some just prefer one layout over the other.

You just adjust to whatever you play. Personally I prefer asymmetrical and the vast majority of the market has adopted asymmetrical sticks. PlayStation probably would be asymmetrical by now but the symmetrical sticks are kind of part of their identity now I think. Neither are superior.

 

[Zathalus]

I move between symmetrical and asymmetrical between Xbox controller -> Dualsense -> 8bitdo Ultimate -> Steam Deck all the time and never blink an eye. I don't think any are "obviously superior". Some just prefer one layout over the other.

Oh I have no issues either, it's just the the majority of arguments for either boil down to the following:

Asymmetrical is better because your thumb for movement is in a more natural position.
Symmetrical is better because both thumbs are in the same place and is this more comfortable.

Top placed symmetrical sticks satisfy both of the above requirements.

Personally I can use anything. Just making fun of the argument.

 

[balls of snow]

Supposed spec leaked

Leak: MSI "Claw" Handheld to Use Intel APU with 32gb RAM - Steam Deck HQ

It appears MSI's upcoming handheld could be called the Claw and will use an Intel Core Ultra 7 APU based on this new leak.

steamdeckhq.com

 

[Topher]

Supposed spec leaked

Leak: MSI "Claw" Handheld to Use Intel APU with 32gb RAM - Steam Deck HQ

It appears MSI's upcoming handheld could be called the Claw and will use an Intel Core Ultra 7 APU based on this new leak.

steamdeckhq.com

Are those two clusters the cores for the CPU and GPU? No...that's not right.

	Z1 Extreme	Intel Core Ultra 7
CPU Cores/Threads	8/16	16/22
Base Clock	3.3 GHz	3.8 GHz
Boost Clock	5.1 GHz	4.78 GHz
GPU Cores	12	8
L2 Cache	8MB	2MBx2
L3 Cache	16MB	24MB

Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 Processor 155H (24M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 Processor 155H (24M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

www.intel.com

 

[Gamezone]

I don't understand your question

Never mind, I thought you meant a store named Power, which do sell Steam Deck imports here

 

[cyberheater]

As a recent Steam Deck owner I’m a fan of the form factor. It‘s good that technology is allowing more manufacturers into that space.
The more people gaming the better.

 

[Bernoulli]

Are those two clusters the cores for the CPU and GPU? No...that's not right.

	Z1 Extreme	Intel Core Ultra 7
CPU Cores/Threads	8/16	16/22
Base Clock	3.3 GHz	3.8 GHz
Boost Clock	5.1 GHz	4.78 GHz
GPU Cores	12	8
L2 Cache	8MB	2MBx2
L3 Cache	16MB	24MB

Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 Processor 155H (24M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 Processor 155H (24M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

www.intel.com

GPU and power consumption are the key

 

[Gamezone]

I remember making a thread asking if the Steam Deck would get more competitors because of its popularity, but most users said "no, it's a niche market", yet here we are. The Rog Ally, Steam Deck (with OLED too), Legion GO and MSI Claw. I wonder why all these manufacturers suddenly decided to create their own handhelds so close to each other. They had all time in the world, and now they're all making them.

 

[Calverz]

MSI Claw A1M - Grip and Game

MSI Claw A1M, a groundbreaking gaming handheld that marks a new era in portable gaming experiences. Powered by Intel® Core™ Ultra processors and featuring Intel® XeSS technology, ensuring a smooth and immersive gameplay experience even on AAA titles.

www.msi.com

 

[Zathalus]

That battery should allow it to have a battery life comparable to the Steam Deck OLED in 15w mode. It also appears to use a similar screen to the ROG Ally.

 

[Calverz]

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Eh I don’t know why any would buy a steam deck

It’s very underpowered compared to the competition

Has limited os- can’t use it as a windows tablet

Has very limited game compatibility, not every steam game is compatible, let alone can’t use your uplay/origin/gog/epic games

It has the largest and most user-friendly compatibility out of all handhelds. Way fewer games are compatible for ROG and Legion, etc. since so many require you fiddling with the command prompt settings, etc. Steamdeck is as close to plug&play as you can get.

 

[Hohenheim]

I had the Rog Ally, and replaced it with the Legion Go - which is perfect for me. Nothing in this makes me feel like another change is needed for me, but very cool that more companies embrace the handheld PC.
In 2-3 years the new versions of these will be amazing.
Such a great companion for a good desktop PC.

 

[Ozriel]

It has the largest and most user-friendly compatibility out of all handhelds. Way fewer games are compatible for ROG and Legion, etc. since so many require you fiddling with the command prompt settings, etc. Steamdeck is as close to plug&play as you can get.

Eh. Not quite true. The deck loses out on the compatibility front (some of the biggest PC games aren’t even compatible) and certainly is the weakest of the three performance and emulation wise.

It definitely excels in battery and ease of use. My Deck OLED has a fantastic display too.

Looking forward to seeing more performance tests from near final builds of this MSI device. Competition is great, and Intel brings a new variable to the table. Thankfully they went with a big battery compared to the competition.

Looks like a better, more ergonomic ROG Ally to me…with a working SD card slot.