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My Little Pony FiM Community |OT2| I just don't know what went wrong!

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Is there a page you guys can recommend for getting well-made MLP song MIDI files?
 

Theonik

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I dunno why, but Lyra's legs look incredibly tiny compared to Twilight's.
I think that's intentional, perspective and to make her look more cute, not obstruct Twilight's face.
Here's a version with just Lyra:
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And here's a version with just Lyras

I don't do IRC :(
You totally should!
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What else do you need?
 

judhudson

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Yep. I wont pay for tv cable, so I get my fix from Netflix. Plenty of shows/movies to enjoy. Glad MLP is now on there.

BTW - Change of subject. Looking for good Pony wallpapers, so if folks want to share those, feel free to! (bonus points if you care to post your desktop - as I'm currently going thru my computer, reorganizing, removing, and restructuring things to make it fresh.
 

judhudson

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Well, dang. Do I pay $100 for both seasons on iTunes, or get them for 'free' on netflix?

Netflix for sure...in hopes that Hasbro sees how popular it is and freakin' convinces Shout to finally release them in full box sets on DVD (and Blu-ray, but that is wishful thinking)
 

DrForester

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Netflix for sure...in hopes that Hasbro sees how popular it is and freakin' convinces Shout to finally release them in full box sets on DVD (and Blu-ray, but that is wishful thinking)

Shout probably wants to make a full set, but they really can't say anything other than do the question deflecting that they have been doing. More than likely Shout has to convince Hub and Hasbro.
 
Shout probably wants to make a full set, but they really can't say anything other than do the question deflecting that they have been doing. More than likely Shout has to convince Hub and Hasbro.

It didn't sound that way form the way that one Shout representative spoke on the matter a while back.
 
Wouldn't they have to convince the stores to carry it or something like that? I mean, I know that explanation was mostly question-deflecting, but it seemed like a fairly understandable (if sucky) situation.
 

DrForester

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Wouldn't they have to convince the stores to carry it or something like that? I mean, I know that explanation was mostly question-deflecting, but it seemed like a fairly understandable (if sucky) situation.

Shout pushes sales from it's own site on other titles, would probably do so with MLP.
 

Xzeon

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Have a pic.

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wow this kicks so much ass

yup

Reason for Half Life 3 delay confirmed.

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/04/gabe-newell-joins-herd.html#more

Gabe watches too much pony.

Valve announces its making a pony game, Internet explodes.

I bet it's Xzeon.

Its always me.

You totally should!
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Confetti.


Love this persons pony art.
 

Cheerilee

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Shout probably wants to make a full set, but they really can't say anything other than do the question deflecting that they have been doing. More than likely Shout has to convince Hub and Hasbro.

Nah, Hasbro apparently has some influence, because Shout asked Hasbro if they'd prefer the single discs to have themed or sequential episodes, and Hasbro said themed, and they're the ones who picked the train theme because they thought it might sell more train toys, but Shout is still in charge. Hasbro got paid when Shout bought the rights, and now Shout puts up the money to print the discs, and Shout gets the money after they sell (assuming they do sell and retail doesn't demand their money back, retail takes a cut, and maybe another small royalty gets sent to Hasbro). Hasbro also advertises on Shout's discs.

Shout said that they could make a 4 DVD season one box set and sell it for $30-40, but it'd need to sell around 30,000-50,000 copies to make a profit (depending on which price point was used), and Shout simply doesn't believe (won't bet) that bronies would buy that many of them.

My Little Pony as a crappy show is a known quantity to them. They know that they can put a $15 DVD on the shelf and a soccer mom will always buy that one instead of a $30 box set. They won't take the risk of marketing to an unknown like us.

Also, brick-and-mortar retail knows the soccer moms like Shout does, so Shout thinks they would resist carrying the box sets, and they'd end up being sold as Amazon/Shout store exclusives. Brick-and-mortar is already putting the squeeze on Shout Factory's outputs, because DVD is dying off.

And Blu Ray is out of the question because "My Little Pony is no Transformers". That's not Hasbro talking.
 

judhudson

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Nah, Hasbro apparently has some influence, because Shout asked Hasbro if they'd prefer the single discs to have themed or sequential episodes, and Hasbro said themed, and they're the ones who picked the train theme because they thought it might sell more train toys, but Shout is still in charge. Hasbro got paid when Shout bought the rights, and now Shout puts up the money to print the discs, and Shout gets the money after they sell (assuming they do sell and retail doesn't demand their money back, retail takes a cut, and maybe another small royalty gets sent to Hasbro). Hasbro also advertises on Shout's discs.

Shout said that they could make a 4 DVD season one box set and sell it for $30-40, but it'd need to sell around 30,000-50,000 copies to make a profit (depending on which price point was used), and Shout simply doesn't believe (won't bet) that bronies would buy that many of them.

My Little Pony as a crappy show is a known quantity to them. They know that they can put a $15 DVD on the shelf and a soccer mom will always buy that one instead of a $30 box set. They won't take the risk of marketing to an unknown like us.

Also, brick-and-mortar retail knows the soccer moms like Shout does, so Shout thinks they would resist carrying the box sets, and they'd end up being sold as Amazon/Shout store exclusives. Brick-and-mortar is already putting the squeeze on Shout Factory's outputs, because DVD is dying off.

And Blu Ray is out of the question because "My Little Pony is no Transformers". That's not Hasbro talking.

Yeppers. Sad thing is, if they even took a moment to look at Equestria Daily, see all of the cons - specifically for Bronies/My Little Pony, they should know that they'd be able to net a ton of sales easily. They just dont want to do it.

In fact, Brian Ward (marketing guy for Shout) - via his personal twitter, stated that he can't really stand the Brony fanbase. I'm guessing he has a role in why we wont/don't see a boxset.
 

FoxSpirit

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Nah, Hasbro apparently has some influence, because Shout asked Hasbro if they'd prefer the single discs to have themed or sequential episodes, and Hasbro said themed, and they're the ones who picked the train theme because they thought it might sell more train toys, but Shout is still in charge. Hasbro got paid when Shout bought the rights, and now Shout puts up the money to print the discs, and Shout gets the money after they sell (assuming they do sell and retail doesn't demand their money back, retail takes a cut, and maybe another small royalty gets sent to Hasbro). Hasbro also advertises on Shout's discs.

Shout said that they could make a 4 DVD season one box set and sell it for $30-40, but it'd need to sell around 30,000-50,000 copies to make a profit (depending on which price point was used), and Shout simply doesn't believe (won't bet) that bronies would buy that many of them.

My Little Pony as a crappy show is a known quantity to them. They know that they can put a $15 DVD on the shelf and a soccer mom will always buy that one instead of a $30 box set. They won't take the risk of marketing to an unknown like us.

Also, brick-and-mortar retail knows the soccer moms like Shout does, so Shout thinks they would resist carrying the box sets, and they'd end up being sold as Amazon/Shout store exclusives. Brick-and-mortar is already putting the squeeze on Shout Factory's outputs, because DVD is dying off.

And Blu Ray is out of the question because "My Little Pony is no Transformers". That's not Hasbro talking.
Yup, it has a completely ravenous active fanbase right now and not oldschool fans. Let's hope for Euro BluRay box-sets :-D

Yeppers. Sad thing is, if they even took a moment to look at Equestria Daily, see all of the cons - specifically for Bronies/My Little Pony, they should know that they'd be able to net a ton of sales easily. They just dont want to do it.

In fact, Brian Ward (marketing guy for Shout) - via his personal twitter, stated that he can't really stand the Brony fanbase. I'm guessing he has a role in why we wont/don't see a boxset.
Oh shit, I hate "professionals" like that.
 

DrForester

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I really don't buy that Hasbro has no control over the home video release of their own show. Shout isn't about to come out and bash Hasbro and send the fans to them. It's no different than when American anime distributors took the heat for screw ups and terrible decisions by the Japanese companies.

Shout is a company that thrives on releasing pop culture shows, they're not the problem.
 

Orcastar

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Shout is a company that thrives on releasing pop culture shows, they're not the problem.
Didn't you read Brian Wards comments from his Twitter and Shout's forums when they were discussed a while back? They are definitely the problem.

Meanwhile us Europeans still don't have a single legitimate way of watching the show...
 

Bakphoon

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I really don't buy that Hasbro has no control over the home video release of their own show. Shout isn't about to come out and bash Hasbro and send the fans to them. It's no different than when American anime distributors took the heat for screw ups and terrible decisions by the Japanese companies.

Shout is a company that thrives on releasing pop culture shows, they're not the problem.

In Europe, Viacom owns the rights on the dubbed audio. So its up to them about a release in Europe.
 

DrForester

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Didn't you read Brian Wards comments from his Twitter and Shout's forums when they were discussed a while back? They are definitely the problem.

Meanwhile us Europeans still don't have a single legitimate way of watching the show...

What's he going to do though? Send the fanbase after Hasbro and piss off the people who contracted his company? I just don't buy that Shout Factory, a small DVD distribution company has dominance over Hasbro over Hasbro's property.

I can't buy that the company that has gone above and beyond with their releases of MST3K would just blow off the bronies of their own choice.
 

Link Man

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What's he going to do though? Send the fanbase after Hasbro and piss off the people who contracted his company? I just don't buy that Shout Factory, a small DVD distribution company has dominance over Hasbro over Hasbro's property.

I can't buy that the company that has gone above and beyond with their releases of MST3K would just blow off the bronies of their own choice.

Careful, Forester, your bias is showing through. ;)
 

judhudson

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What's he going to do though? Send the fanbase after Hasbro and piss off the people who contracted his company? I just don't buy that Shout Factory, a small DVD distribution company has dominance over Hasbro over Hasbro's property.

I can't buy that the company that has gone above and beyond with their releases of MST3K would just blow off the bronies of their own choice.

But we know for a fact that Hasbro knows about its brony fanbase - especially after the New York Toy Fair with the unveiling of Luna, Trixie, Vinyl Scratch, a white Princess Celestia, etc. Pretty sure they had us in mind, because a lot of fans wanted them.

So Shout has to have the major pull over Hasbro's show in terms of getting it onto DVD. With Brian the head of marketing, he more than likely is one of the main hurdles why we haven't seen it. He's stated his dislike over the bronies...even though IMO we're the major market. I dont know why he doesn't see this. The market is there, he's just ignoring us over his personal opinion - any marketing person can tell you there is huge profit in selling stuff to bronies (WeLoveFine, Hasbro's minifigs and other toys, all of the plush commissions, etc)
 

DrForester

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Careful, Forester, your bias is showing through. ;)

I'm serious, compared to the previous comapny releasing the show, Shout has gone above and beyond. Doing interviews, getting episodes previously thought to never have a chance of getting a DVD release. They didn't just stick the episodes on a disk and put them to market.
 

Theonik

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I'm serious, compared to the previous comapny releasing the show, Shout has gone above and beyond. Doing interviews, getting episodes previously thought to never have a chance of getting a DVD release. They didn't just stick the episodes on a disk and put them to market.
But they did for MLP. Just because they handled one case well doesn't mean they handle everything in the same way, even assuming Hasbro/the Hub was the issue here, they haven't really done anything with MLP:FiM on their part.
 

judhudson

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I'm serious, compared to the previous comapny releasing the show, Shout has gone above and beyond. Doing interviews, getting episodes previously thought to never have a chance of getting a DVD release. They didn't just stick the episodes on a disk and put them to market.

You're absolutely right about that. Hence why I think it's this guy's personal opinion that's keeping it from happening. I dont know how much pull a head marketing guy has at a small company like Shout, but it's the only logical reason I can think of.
 

DrForester

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But they did for MLP. Just because they handled one case well doesn't mean they handle everything in the same way, even assuming Hasbro/the Hub was the issue here, they haven't really done anything with MLP:FiM on their part.

Like I said before, it reminds me of the US anime distributors when the Japanese company would screw up, they'd take the heat for it. Shout's a tiny little company compared the empire that is Hasbro, they don't control anything. He's not going to bad mouth Hasbro and put the blame on them when they're likely one of Shout's biggest contracts
 

akira28

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Brony hate is irrational. HE might think MST3K is awesome cool and that anyone who likes ponies needs professional help. HE might have been all set on selling DVD 3 pack episodes to soccer moms over time for more cash to help sell toys and now realizes he has adults who want boxed sets in one release, and he doesn't want a piece. Who knows. If he's badmouthing ponyfans via twitter, the guy is a twit.
 

Theonik

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Like I said before, it reminds me of the US anime distributors when the Japanese company would screw up, they'd take the heat for it. Shout's a tiny little company compared the empire that is Hasbro, they don't control anything. He's not going to bad mouth Hasbro and put the blame on them when they're likely one of Shout's biggest contracts
Taking the fall is one thing. Not promoting your own releases and taking a huge dump on your fans in public is another.
Edit:
Yeah, you did see the tweet where he basically outright said he hates Internet movements, right? There wasn't a whole lot of room for interpretation there.
Playing devil's advocate here though he was probably blasted with an incredible amount of messages over the matter before making that comment.
 
Yeah, you did see the tweet where he basically outright said he hates Internet movements, right? There wasn't a whole lot of room for interpretation there.
 

Cheerilee

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What's he going to do though? Send the fanbase after Hasbro and piss off the people who contracted his company? I just don't buy that Shout Factory, a small DVD distribution company has dominance over Hasbro over Hasbro's property.

I can't buy that the company that has gone above and beyond with their releases of MST3K would just blow off the bronies of their own choice.

Hasbro sold the home video rights to the highest bidder, for a limited time, usually just a couple of years, unless Shout pays to extend those rights. There are always some minor little details in the contracts, like that Shout isn't allowed to damage the brand, which means that they're not allowed to include things like Apple.mov or the Spiderses or some of Carek's Molestia porn as extras on the DVD, but that's to be expected.

It's VERY unlikely that Hasbro would sell a home video contract that was crippled and specifically disallowed a box set, not when Shout has made box sets of all sorts of Hasbro products. Hasbro sold Rhino the home video rights to G1 Transformers, GI Joe and Jem a while back, and Rhino released them as singles. After Rhino milked those for a while, they packaged them into box sets and sold them some more. Then Rhino's rights expired and reverted back to Hasbro, and Shout thought they still had sales left in them, so Shout bought them. Shout released box sets and even boxes of box sets, and made tons of money.

Hasbro is currently letting Apple sell episodes online a day after they're aired, and they just dropped full seasons on Netflix. Hasbro wants money because on paper The Hub is losing tons of money. They're not going to try and drive away potential buyers of their home video rights by crippling the home video release.

Especially not when Shout has explained why they're releasing the way they are, and why they're not releasing the way we want, and the explanations are reasonable (if misguided). $40 x 30,000 units needed to earn money is $1.2 million. $30 x 50,000 units is $1.5 million. Bronies are asking a small company like Shout to bet a million dollars on the theory that people who watched a show for free on Youtube are actually willing to pay for it.

Shout makes bets like that on a regular basis, but they're betting on shows that millions of people have seen on TV, and they're putting stuff on retail shelves hoping just a few of those former viewers will buy it on nostalgia impulse. They don't expect customers to actively seek them out. Brian has mentioned that he constantly gets requests on his forums for obscure shows that a tiny group of fans desperately want, and they all claim that tons of people would buy it, but in his experience they'd sell ten copies. He thinks bronies are just another one of these groups.

People have said on his forums lately that he should just put us to the test on kickstarter, at which point all the risk would be gone. Bronies would have to put up or shut up. But Shout Factory doesn't seem to be interested.

But they did for MLP. Just because they handled one case well doesn't mean they handle everything in the same way, even assuming Hasbro/the Hub was the issue here, they haven't really done anything with MLP:FiM on their part.

I saw someone mentioning that the audio/video synch problem most likely occurred because DHX/Studio B sent them 1080p 5.1 surround masters, and Shout was responsible for crushing it down to 480p stereo.

Another reason we need a Blu-Ray release.
 
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