Psycho_Mantis
Banned
More talk with no evidence
This is just getting sad:
I was referring to databook stats lol
where is it said its needs to be a living being......making stuff up again
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More talk with no evidence
This is just getting sad:
I was referring to databook stats lol
where is it said its needs to be a living being......making stuff up again
It is called cherrypicking.
No, you're making up stuff now. Please show us how the seal is similar in that it is a being that can act on his own, unleash chakra on his own. We have already shown how they are different, how one is a jutsu that needs to be unsealed while the other is one designed to leak chakra and is partially controlled by a separate being. It is on you now to show why the Sakura seal is like that. Naruto says something like 'Stupid Fox, lend me your Chakra' which clearly indicates the Fox is undertaking the actual process. There is no indication Sakura's seal works similar.
Hamura mode?
she could have done everything KCM naruto did during the war, fighting the raikages would especially easy, they might be faster and rely on taijustu but gentle fist would make them useless.
Three panels that don't support your argument at all. Why exactly?More talk with no evidence
This is just getting sad:
I was referring to databook stats lol
where is it said its needs to be a living being......making stuff up again
Nice edit and fake smiley.Hamura mode?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Nah, its called ignoring the stats in the databooks.
Can you guys not read?
Naruto pulls out this other huge chakra source within him through will.
Sakura has another source of chakra stored in the Seal which she can pull out at will.
Once again use the manga to support your arguments because all you have shown is your lack of understanding.
Lol at Hamura xD
We don't even know if Hinata retains it let alone her doing anything noteworthy with it.
That is true. It is called ignoring what you don't like.
If it is that simple, you can enlighten us where it is said that the seal can act independent from her. Naruto can't unleash the chakra at will. The manga has shown quite clearly the chakra is not something he can 100% control, because it is not only him.
captainpat
Member
The last databook with stats came out in 2008, I don't think it's a good source to use if you're comparing what most of Konoha 11 are capable of end of series.
Psycho_Mantis isn't the only one that has long since stopped using the stat graphs from Data Books 1-3 for direct comparison. Most of the manga readers came to accept them as outdated and unreliable over time, myself included.
... Which was right around the time I stopped participating in "Battledome" discussions such as these. Hrrmm.
... Which was right around the time I stopped participating in "Battledome" discussions such as these. Hrrmm.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
No one uses stats from the databooks as vindication. The manga is the material that is being discussed hence that is what is used as concrete proof.
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No one uses stats from the databooks as vindication. The manga is the material that is being discussed hence that is what is used as concrete proof.
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"Stupid Fox, lend me your power'.
http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/8/12-103.0/compressed/naruto_12_4_11.jpg
And yes, in which case the movie databook is also off the table.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
How does that go against Naruto releasing Kurama's chakra at will?
Databook stats are irrelevant, not the entire databook.
As I said, it is not only him. If Kurama refuses at that point, he can't get the Chakra. He is lending from him, from someone else.
"The manga is the material that is being discussed."
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Databooks often if not always refer to the manga so......
Yes but how does this go against the release of chakra only happening through Naruto's emotional state.
Anyway what does this have to do with Sakura having another large chakra source that she can release when she wants hence Hyuuga tech being irrelevant?
That I'm thinking you need an external chakra impulse to break the locks. A bit like Genjutsu where you can insert a bit of chakra to kickstart the system. Naruto can't wake himself up, but Kyuubi could do that. Like Killer B says, he should be immune to Genjutsu. Tsunade's seal can't give that impulse on its own. So if you put Naruto under a Genjutsu, Kyuubi should be able to break him free. Do the same on Tsunade, her seal can't. Now I'd try to do with Sakura but she has to go and be a Genjutsu counter-specialist.
I think we mainly need more manga so we can go back to enjoying and discussing that. That is something we can probably all agree on.
I think we mainly need more manga so we can go back to enjoying and discussing that. That is something we can probably all agree on.
I think this thread needs a week off.
Ganzlinger
Member
No, it's epic to see Psycho_Mantis and frog-fu teamed up. lol
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
She is a snail compared to Chuunin Rock Lee. All the regeneration and power in the world ain't worth shit if she can't hit him.
And all this "keep up with Naruto/Sasuke at the end of the manga" crap, no one at the end of the manga was doing anything impressively "fast" other than Guy. It requires some serious self-delusion to try and put Sakura anywhere near his speed, even pre-gates. Even just "took off my weights" Lee is faster than Sakura, at any time in the Manga. He was a blur, he was basically invisible. Sakura has zero feats that even remotely compare.
90% of your posts boil down to worthless platitudes that aren't backed up in any meaningful way by the manga. Who gives a shit who the Hyūga are descended from? They, like the Uchiha, were by and large weaklings compared to the real players. They were only ever impressive to fodders.
The internal logic of the manga clearly demonstrates that a secondary chakra source can undo the effects of the Gentle Fists. There is no credible evidence to suggest it has to be bijū chakra specifically.
Neji hit Naruto with his technique and sealed off his chakra, but was unaware of the fact that Naruto had a secondary source. The same would happen with Sakura, whose sealed chakra is a secondary source.
That doesn't really matter though because Hinata would never get that far. She would, at most, get a a blow or two in before being blasted the fuck out by a single counter.
The Gentle Fist ain't got shit on CES because it has no feats to even make it comparable. It looks cooler, that's all it's got going for it. Air palms and internal damage ain't going to do shit when Sakura can shrug that off like a bug bites and heal any damage within seconds.
The Kaiten is a defensive maneuvre that works best against projectiles and multiple opponents. It's worthless against Sakura who can rearrange the landscape with a single punch and destroy the footing required for it.
The Byakūgan can't predict shit. It can see chakra. And what of it? They're still not going to be fast enough to do anything about it.
Lee ain't a real threat until he learns how to use all of the gates. Asa Kujaku and Hirudora ain't going to hurt Sakura using Byakugō, nor will he have comparative strength if we go by feats. He'll have a speed advantage but Sakura will only need one hit to seriously hurt him if not outright kill him.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
The thing about speed is that all you gotta do is pick up a kunai and Sakura won't be regenerating a severed head. In a fight to the death, at least. Fisticuffs, sure, Lee probably can't overcome the regeneration. Though he could probably dodge around until her chakra mode wore off, it's certainly finite.
Its such bullshit. Sakura, who after her final power up still needed help from base Sasuke/Naruto to avoid a fucking Jubbi Jr is suddenly strong/fast enough to take Kaguya in a couple hours time. A now her fanboys are clinging to this singular moment to embellish her standing to ridiculous heights.
The manga shows an external chakra source being able to power naruto after he was isolated from his own chakra. Sakuras' seal is not ever shown to be external. In fact its almost certainly tied to her chakra network because she physically has to divert her chakra to a point in her body with precise control.
Its really interesting to see you and ypur friend try your best to deny and downplay this. Good show.
You vastly overestimate Lee's speed and grossly underestimate that of Sakura if you think he can one-shot her with a kunai, lol. Lee's Part I speed feats are impressive under the lense of Part I. Since then characters have demonstrated much more impressive speed feats - Sakura included.
Sakura also has some of the most impressive evasion feats in the series. She was specifically trained to duck, dodge and roll through enemies and take them out with one hit. Lee is the reckless, head on attacker type. Sakura doesn't need to match his speed, she just needs to make sure he runs into her fist, which is very much doable.
Kurama's chakra is not external to Naruto. It's sealed inside him, i.e. it is an internal secondary source of chakra.
Sakura's Yin Seal works in the same way. She diverts a portion of her chakra to the seal, which is separate from her own natural reverses and upon which she can draw chakra from when needed.
The only difference is that Sakura doesn't have a bijū in her seal but her own chakra.
There is no downplaying. That would be you and anyone else mistaken (and/or biased) enough to think she won't wreck the vast, vast majority of Narutoverse characters.
TheRealTalker
Banned
Chakra is unique to each user
Sakura can store her own chakra into a diamond and use it as a external force to add to her chakra but there is one problem and that is it is still her own chakra.... she can't revive a sealed network and break open those sealed points by applying more of the same chakra into those blocked areas.... the blocked areas are blocking that users chakra so putting more omph into it is the same thing as one trying to charge their body up.
Naruto harnessed another different chakra to replace his own chakra in his network. Therefore what he did was basically replace his own chakra network with a COMPLETELY different one.
it is like starting from scratch again
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Let us make an analogy
Say someone started filling a bucket with red paint and then another person put in a substance that negates the red paint into white paint and then takes the last red paint away from the person pouring.
Now we will make two scenarios....
Let us say there are two people.... Person A, and Person B (there person who added that anti red substance is person C)
Scenario 1
After C took the red paint away from A and turned A's bucket white with some anti red substance person A presides to bring out a box with more red paint (aka the same chakra) and then again continues to fill.
What will happen? Well the anti red substance will turn that red paint still white regardless.
Scenario 2
After C took the red paint away from B and turned B's bucket white with the same anti red substance, B presides to bring out a box with a different colour pain (aka another being's chakra) and then again continues to fill.
What will happen? Well the anti red substance will be useless and the bucket will begin to change into the colour of the new different colour paint.
Naruto was able to revive his network because he used a foreign external force to reawaken his network and replace it with that outer chakra
Sakura can store her own chakra into a diamond and use it as a external force to add to her chakra but there is one problem and that is it is still her own chakra.... she can't revive a sealed network and break open those sealed points by applying more of the same chakra into those blocked areas.... the blocked areas are blocking that users chakra so putting more omph into it is the same thing as one trying to charge their body up.
Naruto harnessed another different chakra to replace his own chakra in his network. Therefore what he did was basically replace his own chakra network with a COMPLETELY different one.
it is like starting from scratch again
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Let us make an analogy
Say someone started filling a bucket with red paint and then another person put in a substance that negates the red paint into white paint and then takes the last red paint away from the person pouring.
Now we will make two scenarios....
Let us say there are two people.... Person A, and Person B (there person who added that anti red substance is person C)
Scenario 1
After C took the red paint away from A and turned A's bucket white with some anti red substance person A presides to bring out a box with more red paint (aka the same chakra) and then again continues to fill.
What will happen? Well the anti red substance will turn that red paint still white regardless.
Scenario 2
After C took the red paint away from B and turned B's bucket white with the same anti red substance, B presides to bring out a box with a different colour pain (aka another being's chakra) and then again continues to fill.
What will happen? Well the anti red substance will be useless and the bucket will begin to change into the colour of the new different colour paint.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Sakura never saw the Jyuubi monster but clearly saw Kaguya's hand. If you can't accept the manga that is not our problem.
There's nothing to think. Its shown in part 1 that all you need is another chakra source that you can release to rejuvenate your system.
To be honest I don't even know why we are talking about this scenario because as soon as Hinata lands one hit, Sakura would kill her.
Rinnegan Sasuke is one of the fastest characters in the manga and when he's animated he's not a blur. Neither is RSM Naruto or Madara. These characters are so fast in their base form that every movement would have to be a blur which is silly. If we actually look at speed feats Chunin Lee would not stand against Sakura's speed.
Once again, none of this is supported in the manga. I don;t why you wasted your time writing an entire post when it wasn't relevant from the first line.
I've already shown you guys the panels. Jiraya talks about another source of chakra inside of Naruto and he needs to learn how to use it. Naruto then triggers the release of the chakra. This is exactly how the Seal can work.
I'll repeat it : To be honest I don't even know why we are talking about this scenario because as soon as Hinata lands one hit, Sakura would kill her.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Rinnegan Sasuke's speed is never animated in the manga. It's shown as line-of-sight teleportation. It's effectively light speed movement. Obviously he wins in all speed competitions when using that technique, I didn't really feel like it was worth bringing up.
But we're not talking about Sasuke. Sakura has zero speed feats. The one you posted a panel of was her doing a little hop. "Wow."
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Is Kushina going to be playable in that Naruto game that has Sarada and Boruto?
yeah, she's already playable.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Fifth Great Ninja War: HinataGAF vs. SakuraGAF: The ReRemance (Battle Edition)
Welfare
Member
For speed feats you need to use power scaling unless it's stated that character is X fast or covered X distance in Y time.
We know that end of part 1 Sasuke is faster than Part 1 no weights Lee, and Sasuke only got faster from there, so any character that was able to go toe to toe with Part 2 Sasuke would have to be faster than Part 1 Sasuke, and in turn, Part 1 Lee.
We know that end of part 1 Sasuke is faster than Part 1 no weights Lee, and Sasuke only got faster from there, so any character that was able to go toe to toe with Part 2 Sasuke would have to be faster than Part 1 Sasuke, and in turn, Part 1 Lee.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Did they say he was faster then lee? I know during the chunin exam sasuke managed to about equal lee in terms of speed.
Welfare
Member
I thought it was said he was faster at the Chunin exams. Let me go check, but even then, my point still stands. Sasuke got faster in Part 2, so by then he would be >Part 1 Lee, and anyone that could fight Part 2 Sasuke, whether it be the beginning or end of Part 2, they would be >Part 1 Lee in speed.
Edit: Guy did say he was about the same in speed without the weights.
My money is on TentenGAF. All 3 of them.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
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Alright, you may continue.
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its A ridiculous battle, its like saying Temari could have beaten the 3rd raikage if naruto didn't intervene because fuuton > Raiton.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Yo, I brought salt and melted butter, can I have some of that?
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I am secretly also apart of 20-gaf
The Silver
Member
Shino is the low key best character, bugs put in so much work Kishi was scared to use him.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
I just need her for that game since I'm going to buy it for Sarada and Boruto.
At least we don't live a life of delusion, the people who do that need some izanami so they can face the truth and stop living lies.
Both sides are sad. Sakrua supporters are only even worse.
Not even Kishi cared close to as much as you guys do about the female chars
This whole argument has only been about who would win a fight, it could be anyone not just sakura.
I won't tell you Itachi can beat Madara just because he has the sword of totsuka and can seal madara, why would it matter if can Itachi could seal him? Madara is stronger, faster and would annihilate Itachi with one swing from Perfect susanoo.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
His base speed not Amenotejikara. Point is it is laughable to compare speeds on who is blurrier.
Again the inability to read is really disheartening. Rinnegan Sauske and Naruto both commented on how fast Kaguya hands were even for them. Sakura manages to dodge one on sight.
This ain't even a war. Its just a few posters who are unable to accept whats presented in the manga and in desperation have to make things up.
I fucking loved The Last so much. After watching some of the other movies I wasn't expecting much, but The Last really exceeded my expectations. It really had everything I asked for. I am not ashamed to say tears were shed - my heart goddamn melted during that montage of them running backwards through time. ;-;
I also especially liked how The Last had Sakura as NaruHina's best wingman ever, lol.
I like to think Sasuke received Naruto's wedding invitation via hawk and getting really upset and emotional when he realises he won't be able to attend his best mate's wedding, rofl.
Shino was so fucking good. I remember his fights with that one Sound ninja and Kankuro and thinking "holy shit, this guy is badass".
... Then he literally does nothing ever again. I wish Kishi didn't mistreat the other ninjas so badly.
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