Topher
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[NateDrake] “There exists a hope to make legacy Xbox (OG and Xbox 360) games BC on ROG and Windows.”
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PauloRoberto
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Yes, it's called emulation.
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Ar¢tos
Member
Unless it's disc BC (and I mean playing the disc version, not downloading a digital version after inserting the disc) it's an impossible goal.
There are games that it is almost impossible to obtain licenses for, because the publishers/IP holders no longer exist and getting them would be a never-ending red tape nightmare.
There are games that it is almost impossible to obtain licenses for, because the publishers/IP holders no longer exist and getting them would be a never-ending red tape nightmare.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
If billions had to be burned and thousands of blue hair San Franciscans had to be laid off to get Lost Odyssey on PC then so be it
Punished Miku
Gaslighter Pro: 16.7 Fireflops
Would be incredible and would definitely make the ROG a lot more tempting. Awesome that they're trying.
PauloRoberto
Member
Which confirms what I said :-D I can really see how MS would be the target of lawsuits because of course they would lose control of this emulation quite easily.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Disk is clearly not going to happen with this. I would be surprised if MS could convince the publishers to allow BC on PC side that would let people play games their own.
I guess the benefit would be to enable sales of older games without PC ports, so we shall see
asdasdasdbb
Member
That's it for sure. That's bad news for the Collector Whores, because people interested in actually playing the game could just buy it.
Then again, there probally aren't that many that aren't also on PC already.
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Topher
Identifies as young
I wasn't disagreeing with you
RetroGamingUK
Member
Where does it imply that?
Too many legal roadblocks and even if they could it would make no business sense. The amount of people in 2025 and beyond who care about running emulated OG Xbox or 360 games that never got a PC version would be absolutely microscopic. It would not help sell their new prebuilt PC, and I'm not sure how they would even keep the emulator from running on any other PC.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Punished Miku
Gaslighter Pro: 16.7 Fireflops
It makes sense. Epic gives away free games just to try and build up people's libraries for digital capture. Preserving a 20 year history on PC for digital capture is worth something and would help establish their store for sure.
Yeah and how's that working for them in their fight against Steam?
Kupfer
Member
I wrote it with a pinch of sarcasm.
A disc-drive in a ROG handheld device doesn't seem to be state of the art.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
USB drive.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
"a hope"
Bro I've been hoping for years for them to expand the program and add more bc games
Bro I've been hoping for years for them to expand the program and add more bc games
Cyberpunkd
Member
Microsoft coming up with "revolutionary cloud AI technology":
It's bizarre people are reporting this as news when it EXISTS FOR MANY YEARS NOW.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Microsoft coming up with "revolutionary cloud AI technology":
It's bizarre people are reporting this as news when it EXISTS FOR MANY YEARS NOW.
Correct me if I'm wrong but you can't use your own XBL account on Xenia, it must use a local emulated account.
Also, Xenia might as well be a non-entity for me as long as it can't play Deadly Premonition properly.
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Corporal.Hicks
Gold Member
I hope someone at Microsoft leaks the source code for their Xbox Classic/Xbox 360 emulators 
! The developers of Xenia (360) or Xemu (Xbox Classic) could then use that knowledge to improve their emulators to a satisfactory level.
! The developers of Xenia (360) or Xemu (Xbox Classic) could then use that knowledge to improve their emulators to a satisfactory level.
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GHG
Member
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Deadly Premonition is native on PC.
And if you have some strange desire to play the original instead of the directors cut version, you can just do it via RPCS3 or Yuzu.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The PC version is notoriously broken even with Durante's fix. And the PS3/Switch versions are also the terrible director's cut versions. (but at least playing them is a lot more stable on PC than the native version).
There's only one good version of DP and it's the original release.
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asdasdasdbb
Member
They might sell a few copies and/or get some downloads on GP. Worth bothering, I dunno.
GHG
Member
This is incorrect. The switch version in particular is based off the original.
Regarding the PC version, by all reports it runs well now provided you apply the following fixes (which all in all is less work than getting any kind of emulator set up and configured for this game in particular):
Steam Community :: Guide :: Deadly Premonition Fixes collection
The PC port of Deadly Premonition usually requires a fair amount of work be put into it before you can become satisfied with the game itself. I knew this prior to even purchasing this game and still w
You're asking and waiting for something that already exists.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
This is incorrect. The switch version in particular is based off the original.
Regarding the PC version, by all reports it runs well now provided you apply the following fixes (which all in all is less work than getting any kind of emulator set up and configured for this game in particular):
Steam Community :: Guide :: Deadly Premonition Fixes collection
The PC port of Deadly Premonition usually requires a fair amount of work be put into it before you can become satisfied with the game itself. I knew this prior to even purchasing this game and still wsteamcommunity.com
You're asking and waiting for something that already exists.
Bro, I'm telling you it's based on the DC, lol. It uses the PS3 version's mechanics, just strips out the extra non-canon cutscenes that were added cause they conflict with DP2.
It has the same shitty camera, driving physics, stripped down lighting, almost all contrast removed, removes fixed-camera angle scenes, missing textures etc, all these issues were introduced with the DC version and sadly that's the version used as base for all future ports.
It somehow goes beyond and compresses the audio even further too over the other versions too.
Please trust me on all things Deadly Premonition.
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If you have some spare time and the love for the game, watch this exhaustive video someone put out comparing all the ports.
Even with Durante's fix and various online recommendations, the PC version is extremely hit or miss, with it being a miss for most people.
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cwoody63
Member
360 emulation still isn't great in my experience.
PauloRoberto
Member
For me, that means the is no real big market for x360 emulation.
GHG
Member
Bro, I'm telling you it's based on the DC, lol. It uses the PS3 version's mechanics, just strips out the extra non-canon cutscenes that were added cause they conflict with DP2.
It has the same shitty camera, driving physics, stripped down lighting, almost all contrast removed, removes fixed-camera angle scenes, missing textures etc, all these issues were introduced with the DC version and sadly that's the version used as base for all future ports.
It somehow goes beyond and compresses the audio even further too over the other versions too.
Please trust me on all things Deadly Premonition.
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If you have some spare time and the love for the game, watch this exhaustive video someone put out comparing all the ports.
Even with Durante's fix and various online recommendations, the PC version is extremely hit or miss, with it being a miss for most people.
I guess there's a reason you snipped the reddit link out the post of mine you quoted:
Look, you're entitled to your opinion, but the reality is that most people on PC are not sitting around waiting for the Xbox emulated version of a niche cult classic that already has a native version on the platform.
But overall, that's the reality of this situation. Most 360 games already have native PC versions, while for those that don't, the efforts have been made to ensure the vast majority of the non-natively available games are running well on Xenia. And in the case of 3rd party games of that era which never got native PC releases, they are all playable via PS3 or Wii/wii U/Switch emulation.
Outside of the 1st party exclusives, frankly there's no need in the vast majority of cases. People aren't going to put the effort in when viable alternatives exist.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes, 1/ it's mostly wrong and 2/ it doesn't say the Switch version is based on the original X360 version anyway.
You've basically done the "I have a million results that say otherwise, and 1 result that does" here, lol.
This mofo saying the Switch version has better colors is disqualifying in itself, lol.
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But you don't need to scan Reddit for it in the first place. I already linked an hour long video that shows all the pros and cons of every port.
Please my man, trust me, I have done thesis level hours of scouring on this game over the decade(s). I know what I'm talking about.
Cool ?
My literal first post was that Xenia is a non entity 'for me' because it doesn't run one of my favorite games of all time properly. This isn't a grand-sweeping statement.
In general, I'm probably one of the biggest supporters of emulation on GAF. You won't hear any complaints from me about that at all.
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bruno_shady
Neo Member
Could it be something like PSN + PS3 where it's streaming?
If they argue that are streaming from phisical device (not emulation), they could have legal issues?
If they argue that are streaming from phisical device (not emulation), they could have legal issues?
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Preach! Hell, fire some more.
Neo_game
Member
Apart from nostalgia I do not see the point playing 15-20yrs old games. As long as it can play last 10yrs games it should be fine. Rest will be via streaming I am sure or in windows mode using some emulation which obviously will not be supported by Microsoft but just like PC it can be done.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
All the same points of playing newer games except graphics (technical).
kevboard
Member
if they do disc based back compat on PC, they'd need to sell a disc drive for it.
normal DVD drives can not read Xbox/360 discs. only some can do it after you flash the firmware.
but hey, that would be an opportunity to sell an overpriced DVD drive lol... and call it the Xbox Drive.
on Xbox consoles it would be easier to do, because those drives can read Xbox discs (since they have the firmware for it already)
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A Hope?
Microsoft said themselves they had a team dedicated to preserving Xbox games
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Still living in the era of hopes and dreams, one could say hopium and copium. Amazing
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Corporal.Hicks
Gold Member
I'm a fan of RT and the new technologies that are being implemented in games. Nevertheless, I often play 20-year-old games and enjoy them just as much as when they were new. Modern games have amazing graphics with real-time lighting and high-poly assets, but often lack soul, making them boring to play. Hellblade 2 is a good example of this. The graphics in this game are stunning, but I had to force myself to play this walking simulator.
GHG
Member
Yes, 1/ it's mostly wrong and 2/ it doesn't say the Switch version is based on the original X360 version anyway.
You've basically done the "I have a million results that say otherwise, and 1 result that does" here, lol.
This mofo saying the Switch version has better colors is disqualifying in itself, lol.
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But you don't need to scan Reddit for it in the first place. I already linked an hour long video that shows all the pros and cons of every port.
Please my man, trust me, I have done thesis level hours of scouring on this game over the decade(s). I know what I'm talking about.
Cool ?
My literal first post was that Xenia is a non entity 'for me' because it doesn't run one of my favorite games of all time properly. This isn't a grand-sweeping statement.
In general, I'm probably one of the biggest supporters of emulation on GAF. You won't hear any complaints from me about that at all.
Considering the popularity of the reddit thread and the number of upvotes it's far from being "here's the one result that does", but we'll done, if "AI" says something it must be true right?
Like I said, you're entitled to your opinion but no PC gamers are waiting around for "official" Xbox 360 emulation in order to play this game when there are several alternatives that are more than viable. It's also likely that Rising Star games would also rather you just purchase the game again once you're forced over to PC, so there's that as well.
There's always some new carrot that they'll dangle to keep you guys hanging on, and you fall for it every time. At least in this case you can keep your Series X and keep playing what you feel is the "best" version.
Most of their rational customers have already left.
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