If you have season pass you're covered. Aside from one new hat bundle I think?
Naughty Dog absolutely disgusting TLOU:R MP monetization
- Thread starter Killer
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Lol, is that really in the game?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I never understood outrage for something you're not forced to buy.
Can't you just...not buy it? I played the MP just fine on PS3 without spending any extra money.
Can't you just...not buy it? I played the MP just fine on PS3 without spending any extra money.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Naughty Hogs while reading this thread
lol...ok i'm done. i really need to try the mp myself
Naw. But apparently made by the same guy at ND that did joel banderas iirc.
lol...ok i'm done. i really need to try the mp myself
Naw. But apparently made by the same guy at ND that did joel banderas iirc.
Is anyone reviewing TLOU for the multiplayer? I can't imagine it's taken too heavily into account, just like most games with tacked on MP modes.
PedroLumpy
Member
Having options is an advantage. Having flexibility is an advantage.
Having an unlock that is a situational or fits a particular playstyle, is an advantage because it will make you better when you are in that situation, or are playing in that particular style.
You can argue over how much of an advantage it is, but you're just sticking your head in the sand if you think there's no advantage at all.
I am shocked that all this grindy unlock stuff in multiplayer has led us to this point.
Having an unlock that is a situational or fits a particular playstyle, is an advantage because it will make you better when you are in that situation, or are playing in that particular style.
You can argue over how much of an advantage it is, but you're just sticking your head in the sand if you think there's no advantage at all.
I am shocked that all this grindy unlock stuff in multiplayer has led us to this point.
ethomaz
Banned
Ops... thread ends?
You have to read past the bolded word.
Fushichou187
Member
You should be fine with the exception of one mask pack. Quoting myself from earlier in the thread:
Nope, it isn't available in custom loadouts which sucks.
Like I said before, I think the compromise they found here is acceptable but they should have included it all in Remastered. Sony's MP games actually do stuff like this most of the time, they just fail to gain large enough communities for people to take notice. I assume Sony makes them do it in case they decide to make MP F2P like KZ3 and Uncharted 3. They really need to wait until the F2P transistion happens to load all that crap in though.
I wonder how many of those who are disgusted would think differently if they had any idea how The Last of Us' multiplayer worked? These pieces of DLC give you more customisation options. They do not give you wholesale advantages because to use them, you have to forgo other perks, and other weapons.
I'm not exactly in love with the idea, and I wouldn't pay for them myself if I didn't have a Season Pass anyway. At the same time, this conversation is pointless if people who clearly don't know what they're talking about are going to just spew hyperbole. Without context, I can absolutely understand why this seems so outrageous, but realistically it's not that different from the weapons that are attached to a piece of DLC in Battlefield or Call of Duty. So long as they are balanced with the free stuff, it's not really that bad.
I absolutely adore The Last of Us' multiplayer, but in places (like so many multiplayer games these days) there are areas where gameplay is sacrificed for debatable reasons. It's a pity. At the core, Naughty Dog have produced two incredible multiplayer games in UC2 and TLOU, but they need to learn a lesson about the value of simplicity.
I'm not exactly in love with the idea, and I wouldn't pay for them myself if I didn't have a Season Pass anyway. At the same time, this conversation is pointless if people who clearly don't know what they're talking about are going to just spew hyperbole. Without context, I can absolutely understand why this seems so outrageous, but realistically it's not that different from the weapons that are attached to a piece of DLC in Battlefield or Call of Duty. So long as they are balanced with the free stuff, it's not really that bad.
I absolutely adore The Last of Us' multiplayer, but in places (like so many multiplayer games these days) there are areas where gameplay is sacrificed for debatable reasons. It's a pity. At the core, Naughty Dog have produced two incredible multiplayer games in UC2 and TLOU, but they need to learn a lesson about the value of simplicity.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
But it's fair! Really!
mullet2000
Member
Being available in pre-set loadouts, that in all likelihood are not the weapon/skill combinations you want or enjoy using, is not at all the same as having it "actually" unlocked.
ComputerBlue
Member
Tomb Raider MP - Tacked on.
TLoU - The real deal.
You can use those weapons without purchasing the DLC you know, read the op.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
Thread's moving so quick. 
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Kind of hilarious... but people who should actually get this stuff for free (PS3 season pass holders) are prompted to buy on PSN.
It's possible many people have paid for it twice.
I can guarantee it's happened to at least one idiot.
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It's possible many people have paid for it twice.
I can guarantee it's happened to at least one idiot.
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Exploratory
Banned
This is NOT a relevant counter argument because
A. You're getting base level versions of the skills instead of the much more powerful level 3 versions of the skills.
B. The loadouts suck in general.
I'm guessing you don't play a lot pl MP right? Those are 2 huge factors.
Its not the worst thing in the world and its not as bad as like 2k or something but in a competitive multiplayer this is the worst implementation I've seen and it deserves to be called out.
Edit: Anyone who is saying the multiplayer doesn't matter is so full of it. What does that even mean? How would you know its tacked on if you don't even play it?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
They're both pretty tacked in IMO.
They both play fairly horribly. I really want those missing trophies on the PS3 version but I'm not sure I can drag myself through it.
At least in Tomb Raider you can grind it out alone and chip away at it for a few of them.
Nope. TLOU multiplayer is the best exclusive multiplayer on Playstation consoles. It is not really tacked on at all, and is some serious and deep and unique fun.
You have to claim it on the PS3 store but season pass owners do get everything except for the new mask pack.
reptilescorpio
Member
THIS IS FUCKING ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING >_<
'Naughty" Dogs indeed !
I can't even cancel my pre-order any more now the game is out, this isn't fair
'Naughty" Dogs indeed !
I can't even cancel my pre-order any more now the game is out, this isn't fair
Exploratory
Banned
You liked Tomb Raider multi more than TLoU multi?
And how can you really say its tacked on when almost all of the DLC for the game is centered around multiplayer?
blankempathy
Member
Multiplayer games should offer an even playing field to players by allowing access to all weapons/perks that have an impact in games or the ability to customize them. If you want to have bonus cosmetic dlc I could care less. Sucks you can't unlock it but whatever. When its something like not being allowed to customize your character's abilities the way you want and there might be better customization choices then the preset then it gives people who threw down extra money an advantage. Essentially you're promoting Pay2win.
ShineALight
Member
I like how you used that image. I have taken note.
On topic: I don't see what's wrong here. I don't usually buy DLC, unless it's taken out of the game as part of the story, that I am guilty of (fucking Mass Effect and the shadow broker)
This shit is supplemental and doesn't look like it would give people much of advantage over the next person who doesn't own the stuff.
Naughty Dog's paid dues, they should be paid in return. Long as they don't start slicing out parts of their games and selling it as DLC,
I'm
Many people have already paid them for this game twice though, in some cases with DLC/season passes on top of that. That's why it's a little disheartening (maybe not absolutely disgusting) to fire up the MP and see that there's still paid content beyond that, even if it is just weapons/perks/cosmetic items. ND are far from the only ones guilty of this, but the growing trend of micro-transactions in retail games has reached the point where it's an expectation, and that's probably where a lot of the frustration lies. Especially to see it in what many people expected to be a "definitive" release, even if it was never explicitly marketed as such.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
Shhh... let the concern trolls keep arguing.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
I have to agree with this. The mod-edit makes it sound like it's not really a big deal, but take for instance when I played Titanfall... unlocking the extra Titans for custom loadouts through playing both "Campaigns" was annoying enough. I'd be pretty angry if things like that were only accessible in custom-loadouts via my wallet. It's in bad taste IMO.
Fushichou187
Member
I "purchased" (for free) it last night but you're right, they popped up with the prices initially but after about a minute it reverted to Free. I just chalked it up to PSN being PSN since that happens all the time; something I've purchased pops up with the price sometimes but then a moment later the "Purchased" status clicks in.
Hidden One
Member
If you bought the remastered version that shit should be free.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Like what!?
This irks me to no end. All of those things are something I wouldn't spend a dime on and you are telling me I couldn't just play to earn them? Especially considering the remastered edition should have all the dlc content? This is just down right dirty. The "Eh, option this - it doesn't effect me" bs needs to stop. This is straight up underhanded.
This irks me to no end. All of those things are something I wouldn't spend a dime on and you are telling me I couldn't just play to earn them? Especially considering the remastered edition should have all the dlc content? This is just down right dirty. The "Eh, option this - it doesn't effect me" bs needs to stop. This is straight up underhanded.
Exploratory
Banned
Is this real life? You don't have to buy it? Did you say the same thing about Battlefield 4 or *insert f2p game you don't like here*? And who decides if its essential or not? Its a diamond in the rough and easily the best multiplayer Sony has ever produced.
Spine_Ripper
Member
Anectodal evidence = fact
lol, they made another .gif? Doesn't look as good as the banderas one though; fan made?
You can use the DLC as preset load outs for free (which IMO is the best combinations you can use with them).
This isn't F2P bullshit, this is 4 semi-terrible weapons (except for the Spectre and Enforcer) and 8 extremely situational perks as DLC in a game where you don't even have to win a match to succeed in the herd-building. Should they have been in the game completely free? Yes. Is it unfair having them be paid? No.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
I understand where you're coming from. It's why I tend to stay away from DLC. Redundant as it sounds, I still feel dirty for buying that shadow broker DLC. Ok, this topic is reminding me how frustrated I once was with DLC.
Carry on, infuriated.
ComputerBlue
Member
When I log on later I'll check but I'm almost 100% sure they are.
Doomshroom
Member
You are right i am uniformed. I have been avoiding the OT and anything that has to do with this game because of spoliers (i did not own a PS3). I guess i was a little bit fast on the burn in hell ND train, im sorry about that.
I have never played the MP so i dont know what kinda impact these "items" that are locked will have but reading this thread makes it sounds like its not a big deal. I guess time will tell when more pople get into the MP. As long as its not pay to get an advantage im fine with it but it sounds like they are on thin ice here.
Did you pay for the DLC? Otherwise, I don't see how that is possible.
RedAssedApe
Banned
BenHargrove
Member
Huh. That's weird. I have the season pass for the original and also preordered the Remastered, but everything minus ONE mask bundle was priced.
I bought the weapons on PS3 and they were free on PS4 not as the bundles, but as individual items
A couple of the country flags kept saying $0.99, so I had to purchase them through the online store and then, they showed up as purchased and installed on the PS4 storefront.
Those were the only issues I had, although even with the disc inside, in the game view it still has the option to buy it for $54.99 (as a digital version), which can come really close to being purchased again if I decide to play Dark Souls 2 on my PS3 with my Dualshock 4! I don't like this.
PedroLumpy
Member
And what if my playstyle fits one of those situational perks? And what if my playstyle would be better suited by using those perks in a custom loadout?
It is an advantage. A huge one? Probably not, but is there a point to arguing over how much of an advantage? Why argue over how bad something is? The point is it's bad, there's no upside. Players would be better served with this stuff not being behind a paywall.